Not surprisingly, the bar room lawyers and Ranters have hijacked this thread for their own purposes. Rather than address the topic: the ABC, Labor and Greens cowardly attack on a just-inducted senator, they have directed their vicious bile at the victim, Jim Molan.

ttbn,

Pull the other what?

Be more specific. But it will cost you for me to do it.
And will your wife approve?

Foxy,

Just my leg. As my wife would tell you, not much else is possible these days.

Seriously, though, you are a political creature like the crest of us, and you are not going to use references you don't more or less agree with. This is why I never look at anyone's references if they are trying to convince me of something. Of course they are going to look for things that back their own ideas up. Mad not to.

I did look at what Chris Doran said 10 years ago. He has excellent Lefty credentials, and even referred to globally notorious loony Leftist liar Noam Chomsky. All his other sources are from the Lefty media.

But, as I said in an earlier post, I was interested in the treatment of Nolan by political opponents, not about what he did in his professional capacity. All the yap about war crimes is well outside our ken and for far more influential people than we are to deal with.

I think people who make such serious accusations against people should watch their step. Their are libel laws in this country and, as you pointed out recently to another poster, online anonymity might not protect them.

Foxy,

Not discarding an article because it is a factually deficient polemic is intellectually lazy.

Just a hint, if you quote an article on a political scientist from a Aus university, you are unlikely to get anything that resembles reality. His acceptance of 2nd and 3rd hand accounts from Iraqis as gospel truth and statement that the US was using chemical weapons (white phosphorus) is also bollocks that a 30sec google search will reveal.

SR,

I did challenge you accounts. Your statements are extremely short of details and context and not linked to any directive by Molan, and as such do nothing to support your assertion that Molan is a war criminal.

For example the soldiers shooting at protesters outside a school, were the protesters shooting at the soldiers? The hospital in Fallujah was purportedly being used as a base by the insurgents, and given that most of the civilians had evacuated and that there were 50 000+ heavily armed combatants trying to kill each other, I doubt that normal operations there were possible.

And to crown it all, you have yet to show that Molan who had a high level control of the battle had any hand in any particular atrocity.

Dear ttbn,

You're probably right. We do choose sites that make sense to
us - whether we are aware of it or not. And I agree, that's normal.
I do still adhere to the fact though that I really was not familiar
with this author - and thus not aware of his political stance.
Anyhow - not knowing all the ins and outs of the actions of J.
Molan - I thought the link an interesting one. So that still
stands for me. It's good to hear from more than just one point of
view- that's how we learn and can weigh things up.

Dear Shadow Minister,

Regarding facts...?
I guess it depends on one's frame of mind - doesn't it,
and who's presenting them. Some people only accept
what agrees with their political inclinations. And
class everything else as unacceptable - using a variety
of labels. But I guess - that's politics. And I
suppose that's - also normal.