Paul & Ttbn,

I suspect that Plan A, the Recognition-'Nations'-Treaty-Separate State strategy, has run its course, up its garden path. And there is, so far, no Plan B. So the rentier-activists have no alternative but to intensify their demands and make ever-more-empty threats.

Meanwhile, Indigenous people are surging through university and buying their own homes in ever-greater numbers. The population is moving away from remote areas, bit by bit, towards urban and metropolitan centres. Getting bourgeois, you might say.

Well, it happened to the working class 100-140 years ago, as Marx lamented: he complained that Britain, for example, had not only a bourgeois bourgeoisie and a bourgeois aristocracy but was on the way to developing a bourgeois working class. He would have known that, as economies developed, so did their technological underpinnings, and therefore more opportunities existed for the best and brightest working-class kids to move up into more skilled and professional positions, and leave any thoughts of throwing themselves on the battlements behind. So it seems are Indigenous people these days.

But nobody is working on a Plan B to embrace them and their aspirations. The only Plan is some vague half-arsed one to muck about re-forming 'nations', demanding treaties between them and their over-arching government, somehow, maybe push for a separate State out in the sticks and demand a separate extra-parliamentary body overseeing any proposed legislation. Which will achieve what, exactly ?

So, in ten or fifteen years, one in three Indigenous adults in the cities will be a university graduate. Most Indigenous families there will own their own homes. Children will be finishing high school at roughly the same rates as other Australians. Yes, there will still be desperately-dysfunctional remote settlements and in stagnant rural towns, but perhaps a lot fewer than at present. There will be clearly two Indigenous populations. There will still be the Dtarneen Onus-Williams trying to claw rents out of Australians, sounding ever-more bat-crazy.

There may even be a Plan B :)

Joe

Joe,

Yours is a timely reminder. There are people improving their lot all the time despite stupid activists and condescending whiteys (who are 80% of the problem) stuck in the Combes/Whitlam time warp actually encouraging one section of Australian society to be dependent and useless.

Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:42:01 PM”

You only started this thread Saturday, 3 February 2018 9:50:42 AM, The fact is you did not post any quote from this woman on this thread. Why should we have to go back to an earlier post on another thread to find out what you were fussing about.

BTW, who does this woman speak for anyway. Certainly not for the broader aboriginal community.

Ttbn,

I'm not saying that none of the graduates or home-owners ever get sucked into the Industry, they certainly do. But I'm hoping that enough will have the integrity to avoid the high-pay, no-work option and take up genuine employment, if they can. One problem is that the patronage system, a.k.a. the Industry, is organised enough these days to select those who suck up to it, and exclude those who won't, to a very large extent.

My desperate hope is that, with rapidly growing graduate numbers, they will overwhelm the ability of the Industry to corrupt employment agencies, etc., and give them equal opportunities to employ the skills that they have trained for.

Joe

Paul,

You will never let up, will you. If you want to know who she speaks for, you find out. I know. I also know that the government is giving her, and those like her, your money so that she can continuing with her foul-mouthed abuse of the system, but I'm not saying another word to you about it because you are determined to knock everything I say rather than learn something.

Joe,

Yes, there's the rub: the 'industry', the one using this silly, naive young woman and others for their purely political ends. They don't give a toss about people who could really use some help. They are a bunch of frauds making successive governments look like idiots.

Dear Paul,

The reason ttbn and her ilk do not post links is that they are loathed to put up anything they might get properly challenged on. It is a fear which pervades her kind since they sink their argument so deeply in rhetoric. I have given up on a few here and ttbn is definitely one of them. She constantly avoids any grounding of her argument in factual detail which makes any discussion with her a completely futile endevour.

But then again it could come down to capacity and computer literacy. Actually no, abject shallowness is more likely the cause.