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A "fundamental" Muslim is one who has perfect knowledge of what Islam wants and follows it absolutely. To say a Muslim can be fundamental and go around murdering and raping and oppressing is an utter paradox, for nowhere in the Qur'an is this allowed. It is explicitly not allowed. The murdering, raping oppressing "Muslim" therefore is a moderate, and as he doesn't follow the objective will of the God he believes in, he is possibly not even a Muslim at all. If you sincerely want to know what attracts them to Islam, maybe start by reading the Quran. I have seen tons of jihadi propaganda and NEVER have they said they want to kill the infidel, simply because they were not Muslim. The media pushes this rumour but I have yet to see it being said by the Muslims.

Ottomans spread their rein not by subjugating people of Bulgaria, Greece and Austria to become Muslims, they never forced Jews to adopt their culture (in your words) and their rules lasted for more than 500 years. Similar culture of tolerance and mutual existence prevailed in Muslim Spain for centuries. Don't forget that Mehmet 2nd and Suleiman the magnificent (the great lawyer or Qanooni in Turkish) embedded Islam in every sphere of public and private life (exceptions are off course there).

The Koran is the smallest of the three books, the Trilogy. It is only 16% of the Trilogy text . This means that the Sunna is 84% of the word content of Islam’s sacred texts. This statistic alone has large implications. Most of the Islamic doctrine is about Mohammed, not Allah. The Koran says 91 different times that Mohammed is the perfect pattern of life. It is much more important to know Mohammed than the Koran. This is very good news. It is easy to understand a biography about a man. To know and understand Islam, and you should, learn about Mohammed.
Posted by Iftikhar, Thursday, 18 January 2018 9:59:17 PM
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Iftikhar, you have been asked some questions. Will you answer them ?
Do you deny the three options given to conquered people ?
Submit to Islam, pay the Jizya or die ?
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 18 January 2018 10:08:12 PM
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To Iftikhar,

Let me say it a different way. If it is not the true Muslim who commits these crimes, then what can be quoted to correct them in their own faith. After all, they think they are Muslim. Is there a sura or a section of verses to say to not kill on oppurtunity of large celibration A? In oppurtunity of crowded places. If so then let us know them. Let at least that much of Islam be known so non-Muslims can teach it too.

I don't care if it is a true Muslim or a fake one who commits these crimes. I figure both think they are true, but even that is a lesser concern. What is a concern is my worry on New Years Eve. Knowing that large crowds around the world are gathering to celibration the new year. Hoping that no Islamic terrorist will kill in these crowds, but thinking they will. Thankful the broadcast of the New Years went well, and googling if there was any terrorist attack in other countries. My worry is that an attack will occure on Christmas, or Easter. For the statement of hatred that is in these people. I fear they will have no day, no night that is sacred from murder, because of how they have killed even their own who were praying in a mosque. A horrible slaughter in Egypt. Or the same kind of slaughter done to Christian churches.

Do you not see? It does not matter if they are real or not. They believe they are. there is something in Islamic recruitment, or Islamic teachers that turn people into murderous criminals. If there is a teaching to correct this then share it. It can be used to kill this cancer from spreading and infecting more people to kill while think they are faithfully fighting for God.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Friday, 19 January 2018 3:12:12 AM
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The following excerpt was apparently sent to parents of children at a school in Maryborough (Qld) after requests to remove pork products from the school canteen menu. Circa 2015.

For Muslims who disagree with secularism and do not feel comfortable in Australia, there are 57 beautiful Muslim countries in the world, most of them under-populated and ready to receive them with open halal arms in accordance with Sharia.

If you left your country for Australia, and not for other Muslim countries, it is because you have considered that life is better in Australia than elsewhere. We will not let you drag Australia down to the level of those 57 countries.

Ask yourself this question - just once: "Why is it better here in Australia than where you came from?"

A canteen with pork on the menu is not the problem – it is part of the answer.

If you came to Australia with the idea that you will displace us with your prolific propagation and eventually take over the country, you should pack up and go back to the country you came from. We have no room here for you or your ideology.

Maybe in the latte-quaffing quarters of Lygon St, Melbourne, Oxford St, Paddington and Cullen Bay, Darwin your touchy feely politically correct mates may sit down over a double shot with skinny milk and agree with you Iftikhar. But sorry to tell you the majority of Australian around this country will resonate with what the school principal wrote above.

I wonder when Australians collectively will have had enough and say so to their elected members?

Maybe a Get Up campaign might be a better way for you to go Iftikhar, or perhaps a "plebiscite" ?
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Friday, 19 January 2018 9:19:34 AM
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"Hijab isn't just what you are wearing, but it is also what you are doing and what you are saying".
Have a think about what Muslims are saying about "unbelievers"; about how they "are lower than the animals", "unbelief is worse than murder"etc. Much of this malignant language comes direct from their holy books. A recently published analysis of the Koran revealed that 61 percent of it was derogatory statements etc about unbelievers and how evil they are.
If hijab is about what you are doing, then think about what Muslims around the world are doing today.There are Muslims practicing slavery in the world right now, but that is ok because it is ordained in the Koran. It was village Muslim women who trumped up the charges against Asia Bibi in Pakistan, she is still in jail for taking a drink from the same water container as those other Muslim "neighbours".It was a vigilante mob of Muslim "neighbours" that recently kicked in the door of a house in Indonesia, because they thought that the two men who lived there 'just might' be engaging in homosexual activity. Indonesians also recently deposed a Christian governor of one of their provinces on trumped up charges of blasphemy, but really because Muslims should not have to tolerate "being ruled by someone who is not a Muslim".
Islam has an openly stated objective of taking over the whole world. Well I am one you will have to kill, because I will never convert, nor will I pay your Jizyah tax and "feel myself subjugated and subdued" as the Koran puts it.
To get back to the hijab itself, what is really the issue is Muslim disrespect for Australian law because it is not Sharia law. It is a legitimate requirement in various situations that facial identification is required.
Iftikhar, you should stop using the hijab issue as a means to feel oppressed, you could be unlucky enough to be a woman living in a Muslim state.
Posted by MyOwnMan, Friday, 19 January 2018 9:33:15 AM
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how crazy are religions;

1. The Grishneshwar Temple in India throws new born babies off a 50 ft high tower to be caught in sheets by men waiting below. Bad luck if the sheets are in the wash.

2. In Tibet some dead persons are dismembered and fed to the birds. Make a change from canary seed.

3. The Aghori in India go one step further and eat the dead corps. with or without sauce.

4. The Maradonian Church in Argentina prays to the one true god, the soccer god Diego Maradona. They claim to have 80,000 followers in 60 countries Makes a change from praying to the god Pele.

5. The Happy Science religion of Japan, claims over 12 million devotes believe the only use of science should be to make people happy. They believe they can channel the spirits of Muhammad, Christ, Buddha and Confucius. They must put laughing gas to great use.

6. So the mainstream don't feel left out, and to make you feel sick; In medieval times it was considered saintly, and an act of extreme holiness, if a woman, licked the pus from the wounds, and ate the scabs of lepers. It did not apply to those on a low cholesterol diet.

7. Self-flagellation began as a form of penance by radicals in the Catholic Church: zealots would lash themselves in public as a demonstration of piety. In the 13th and 14th century, great processions – some with 10,000 participants – passed through cities with crosses and banners, beating themselves with leather thongs while chanting hymns and calling forth other to do likewise. the practice continues today, but normally in private. I assume at the end of the procession they all stopped for a another fun time get together with a quite beer and a BBQ in a local park.

8. Then there is the Easter ritual by Filipino Catholics of nailing young men to crosses. Also it was believed Jesus would return, so they often named their first born male child Jesus. You never know.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 19 January 2018 10:23:27 AM
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