"A Gish Gallop involves spewing so much bullsh!t in such a short span on that your opponent can't address let alone counter all of it."

So I won't try to counter all of Loudmouth's monumental misunderstandings, half-truths and outright fabrications. So let's just pick on one...Putin.

Apparently Trump has "sucked up to Putin". So let's see how he 's done that:

1. Well he's decided to sell weapons to Ukraine because Putin really really wants his closest enemy to have more and more advanced weaponry.

2. He's bolstering the commitment to the Baltic states and emphasising a new US commitment to treat a Russian attack on those states as an attack on all NATO countries. Putin really really wants the Baltic states to feel safe and secure from Russia so this is just another example of Trump doing Putin's bidding.

3. He's maintain the Magnitsky sanctions and added more of Putin's supporters to the list of people on the blacklist because, despite years of trying to overturn the sanctions Putin really really secretly wants them maintained.

4. Began sending US natural gas supplies to Poland because there's nothing Putin would want more than for Poland to no longer have to rely on Russian gas supplies.

5. Russia's most important product and main (only real?) export earner is oil. So clearly Putin must be thrilled that Trump's fracking policies and decisions to open up more areas for oil exploration are causing oil prices to remain low and probably will do so for years to come.

The idea that Trump is sucking up to Putin is the victory of fondest wishes over plain facts. The fact is that Putin's international position is immensely worse now than at the close of 2016. But LM doesn't want that to be true, therefore it isn't.

Mhaze,

Sales to Ukraine ? Do you mean these sales organised before Trump took office:

https://www.unian.info/society/2338432-american-weapons-could-already-be-on-ukraines-front-line-dfr-lab.html

Or the rocket-launchers and anti-tank 'offensive' weapons like in this story:

http://www.worldtribune.com/trump-approves-sale-of-lethal-weapons-to-ukraine/

Ani-tank weapons are 'lethal' ? I suppose so if you get hit by one. Like a Russian tank in the Ukraine might with a bit of luck. Okay, Mhaze, fair enough.

As for commitment to the Baltic states, this suggests otherwise: https://www.forces.net/news/us-jets-raf-lakenheath-end-nato-mission-baltics

US gas to Poland ? Okay, there's this:

http://energyfuse.org/polish-refinerys-imports-u-s-crude-send-strong-signal-moscow/

I suppose it's called business. But then, there's this:

http://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/eu-more-dependent-on-russian-gas-than-ever-despite-bid-to-diversify/

Win some, lose some. Not exactly devastating to Putin.

Joe

Where is page 4, Foxy? You must have a layout that I do not. I don't recall mentioning Manning previously.

Joe,

You are far too sensitive. All those people deserve to be pissed off. Trump isn't a diplomat. He is trying to to repair the damage Obama wreaked on America.

Mhaze,

So Trump isn't a politician. He isn't a diplomat. He isn't a statesman. Hmmmm ..... as President of the most powerful country in the world, what's left ?

I think I covered that in a previous post :)

But don't get me started on either of the Clintons.

Surely, SURELY there are better presidential candidates in all of America ?!

Surely ?

Dear Joe,

I guess we shall have to wait and see what happens
at the 2020 American elections. Perhaps as you suggest
someone will come forward, some unexpected talented
person who may surprise us all.
One can only live and hope.

In the meantime - I noticed that I made a typo on the second
link that I gave your earlier - so here it is again:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-white-house-liar-us-president-dishonest-history-richard-nixon-robert-dallek-oval-office-a8073036.html

ttbn,

Your second comment on page four of this discussion is
what I was referring to.

I think the think that makes Trump different, is he really doesnt need to be president
because he has plenty of money and power, without being president.
Thats why he is so straight and honest when he gives an opinion, he really doesnt care
if he stays president or not. He really has nothing to lose, at 70years old he is a selfmade man money wise and power wise already.

A lot of people at 70years of age are outspoken, because they simply know that their years are running out and they can no longer be bothered playing the games society expects.

He is right, Africa is not a well run country. Nor are the muslim countries.
In fact they are very backward countries due to male leaders who seem only to look after themselves.
How do I feel about Oprah being president.
Hard to say, depends if she can rule for black and white equally, I like her a lot and she seems pretty fairminded.
But if she is running because she has extreme left wing views and shares the globalist hippie, ideology then I couldnt vote for her.

What Trump says is the truth. Its the truth about biased newspapers.
Fake News....true
Little Rocket Man...true
Antifa is just as violent if not more so than the alt right.......true
A lot of countries that people runaway from.....are badly run, overpopulated, no life prospects,no schools, no work, with corrupt leaders and in Africa, rampant rape. I think the term s...holes is an accurate description .....true
Ive called them hellholes in my posts on here a few times, a slightly less crude term, but meaning the same.

As for black lives matter, 98% 0f black people killed in America are killed by blacks, and
nearly half of the white people killed are killed by blacks too.

Makes the, "black lives matter" demonstrations,seem like a huge over-reaction.