Leoj,

I thought this post looked familiar. Thanks for pointing out the link.

AlanaP,

What were the results for the last survey?

To armchair critic.

I just took the survey to see what it was. It doesn't look like it was trying to pin men as the blame. Therefore I assume the last survey sample didn't have much of a male response. So she's asking for another.

It sounds like the survey is partially designed to find out what people count as abusive, and then the ther part to also to put into the community the question of having everyone mandated to report child abuse, not just professionals.

To AlanaP. Something I'd like as part of the survey (or part of the paper explaining the results) would be a link to what the current definitions of abuse is legally and what are common signs of those kinds of abuse. It might help, even if there's no legislation to mandate everyone to report an issue, to know what really counts as abuse instead of good vs bad parenting, and the signs of that kind of abuse. Just some thoughts.

http://www.communities.qld.gov.au/childsafety/protecting-children/what-child-abuse

Many would enlarge that to include such nasties as parent, grandparent, and family alienation - which appears to be rife in Australia and dooms the following generation to suffer the same and the cycle continues (and is NOT helped by the inordinately legalistic, drawn-out and insanely expensive proceedings of the Federal Court (Family Court).

Hey Not_Now.Soon
I was being facetious; I already took the survey last time, if it's the same one.

Personally I think when it comes to kids these policies are designed by people who think they know how to deal with these problems but couldn't handle 1 day looking after some of these kids.

My friends, they mostly all have good kids, but one couple in particular have an 11 or 12 year old son. Now he knows all the rules, that he's not allowed to be hit, or locked in his room, and is required to be fed properly.

Now what do you do when you've got an 11 year old, who flogs his mother up when he loses his temper, like - just walks up and starts punching her in the back of the head on the way home from school... That he will abuse his father - call him an f'ing pedophile and all sorts of names and not listen and run off and do whatever he wants to do. Beats up his sister, harms the family dog, they put him in a 'school for troubled kids' - 1 week in he absconds with other kids who brought an ice pipe to school.

Threatens to attack his mother with a lump of wood with nails hanging out of it. There is a new story every time I see them. The parents are in a war zone, have tried everything and it's cost them 10's of thousands in all sorts of treatments and nothing seems to help.

When you take away the ability for parents to discipline kids and then you have kids who deliberately run wild knowing full well the police will not take them away and they can do whatever they want, then the parents become the victims.
And this kids almost guaranteed to end up in jail, and why?
Because society taught him for years that he could do whatever he wanted without any punishment or retribution.

Basically these know-it-alls psychologists are helping nurture sociopaths and future criminals.

"Start with Hillary supporters". No they're too pink to know if Bill abused Monica or the other way around. (answer : Billy was the victim).

"It sounds like the survey is partially designed to find out what people count as abusive, and then the ther part to also to put into the community the question of having everyone mandated to report child abuse, not just professionals."
There's heaps of strong opinions in this thread , go for it.

To Armchair Critic.

I completely agree. In the long term lack of discipline should count as a type of neglect.

I've been looking at the picture from the other angle though too. People keep redefining abuse to new degrees and in some ways this just adds resources for children to be taken away from their parents (or at least the fear and lack of discipline because of it). But it doesn't garentee that children will be placed into better homes. So if it is acted on it needs to be important enough to act on. Unless there is actual abuse or neglect let the parents do their job. They might do much better then the potential replacements.