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Turnbull Missed the Clean Energy Target.

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Despite the recommendation from Australia’s Chief Scientist Alan Finkel that a Clean Energy Target be set, Malcolum Turnbull has capitulated to the Abbott hard right faction within, choosing an energy policy which supports party donors with big coal interests.
There will be no Clean Energy Target set by the government. All Turnbull could offer with his ‘National Energy Guarantee’ was an unsubstantiated, vague promise, that consumers will save $100 annually on power.
In the Final Report of the Independent Review into the Future Security of the National Electricity Market presented by Dr. Finkel four key objectives were sought; one future reliability, two increased security, three rewarding consumers, and four lower emissions. Fine objectives indeed. The report uses three pillars to achieve these outcomes: orderly transition measures, system planning and stronger governance.. Under the orderly transition pillar, the Review Panel concluded that a Clean Energy Target is the most effective mechanism to reduce emissions while supporting security and reliability. Where is the Clean Energy Target Mr Turnbull? Abandoned for political expedience!
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 5:06:29 AM
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The planets seem to align for a summer bushfire blackout . Rural Fire guarantee to reduce farm-house and gum-tree emissions but renewable winds and less hydro in the hosepipe may balance the carbon budgets.
Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 9:16:16 AM
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commonsense prevailing. Tony proving right again.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 9:38:37 AM
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Finkel makes 50 recommendations. Turnbull introduces 49 of them. He knocks back one recommendation & the World is going to end.

That's the best result of any report I have ever seen. Normally a report comes out with, say 50 Recommendations, only about five get acted on. 49 out of 50 is unprecedented.
Posted by Jayb, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 9:57:37 AM
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Thank god that the saner minds in the Libs have prevailed, & have sat on the pale green idiot Turnbull.

It must be because the last few Chief Scientists have been greeny ratbags that Paul thinks they are always right. You only have to look at the list of the last few to know they never had a clue.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 10:39:05 AM
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Energy is always clean - the only dirt is in the minds of politicians.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 12:17:16 PM
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If clean energy is cheaper then let the market forces prevail.
Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 12:34:39 PM
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"Toxic air pollution particles found in human brains.
Magnetite particles are known to form biologically in human brains, they were formed as molten droplets of material from combustion sources, such as car exhausts, industrial processes and power stations, anywhere you are burning fuel.”
Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 12:52:26 PM
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Homes are filled with toxic fumes and chemicals, men have been smoking themselves in burnt carbon for 40,000 years, since fire was discovered. With carbon arresters in modern furnaces it is not entering city environments, and is not as toxic as radiation found in the home appliances.
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Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 1:27:13 PM
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Thick toxic smog is choking Beijing, and with 200 new coal plants to be ... worried about what he sees pouring out of the plant's smoke stacks. Beijing smog: pollution red alert declared in China capital and 21 ...Beijing smog: pollution red alert declared in China capital and 21 other cities ... “Coal is the No 1 source,” said Dong, warning that the smog ... - Coal smoke from the region's factories and power plants drifts toward Beijing, contributing to the capital's infamous “airpocalypses” ... Beijing to close coal-burning power stations to clean up air - Beijing to close coal-burning power stations to clean up air pollution ... A coal power station generates smoke in Beijing,
Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 1:34:23 PM
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John Stone, former Head of Treasury,

"Abbott’s speech tells it like it is on global warming

After reading the full text of what The Australian’s leading article called Tony Abbott’s “provocative” London speech, in my considered opinion it is one of the most outstanding speeches in years by any Australian politician.

That “provocative” appellation notwithstanding,The Australian ’s coverage of the speech has been an object lesson to the intellectual pygmies in the Fairfax press, the ABC, SBS and most politicians from the Prime Minister down.

While the focus has been on Abbott’s well-reasoned trashing of the global warming scam, the speech is also impressive in the way it frames that quasi-religious phenomenon within “the broader struggle for practical wisdom … across the Western world” — a struggle that could have us “entering a period of national and civilisational decline”.

For “civilisational self-doubt is everywhere” in the Western world: “We believe in everyone but ourselves; and everything is taken seriously except that which used to be.” (Does “marriage” come to mind?) “Far from becoming universal” after the failure of the Marxist folly, “Western values are less and less accepted even in the West itself”. While “climate change is by no means the sole or even the most significant symptom … only societies with high levels of cultural amnesia … could have made such a religion out of it”....

The fact is, as Terry McCrann said (The Daily Telegraph, October 12), Abbott’s speech was “a seminal event”. Make no mistake: it will ring around the world, and is already doing so. A (real) political leader, someone of stature domestically and internationally, has pointed to the global warming alarmists and declared that, like the emperor, they have no clothes. “Beware the pronouncement ‘the science is settled’ … the spirit of the Inquisition, the thought-police down the ages”. Amen to that."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/abbotts-speech-tells-it-like-it-is-on-global-warming/news-story/d8d96960c3744a53bb69a994f9e2ad6a
Posted by leoj, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 1:38:35 PM
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Absolutely outstanding seminal event.
"There's the evidence that higher concentrations of carbon dioxide (which is a plant food after all) are actually greening the planet and helping to lift agricultural yields. In most countries, far more people die in cold snaps than in heat waves, so a gradual lift in global temperatures, especially if it's accompanied by more prosperity and more capacity to adapt to change, might even be beneficial."
- "greening" "lift ?"
watch that guy.
Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 2:40:42 PM
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nicknamenick,

You proved what John Stone was saying. Maybe read the article first. I am sorry that the link is subscription.
Posted by leoj, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 3:21:16 PM
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leoj
My quote was from it. What do you think John Stone thinks about Abbott's thinking . What's your view and what is mine?
Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 6:28:41 PM
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Malcolm Turnbull appointed Dr Alan Finkel as Australia’s Chief Scientist. Dr Finkel chaired an expert panel which as requested in October 2016 by the COAG Energy Ministers, to conduct an independent review into the future security of the national electricity market, Dr Finkel and his panel did as requested. The panel undertook an extremely thorough investigation into all aspects of the market. In June 2017 it produced a detailed blueprint for the future security of the national electricity market. I say well done to Dr Finkel and his expert panel.
One of the vital recommendations of that report was the setting of a 'Clean Energy Target'. Unfortunately following a ideologically driven nonsense speech by Turnbull's, un-appointed, Chief Protagonist Tony Abbott, Turnbull ditches the whole idea of a CET, which he is on the record as supporting, in favor of some hairy fairy suck it and see "Plan B" rubbish. Who should Turnball's be taking advice from, Dr Finkel and his expert panel. or some raving loony politician in London?
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 19 October 2017 5:28:38 AM
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Abbott , to save his skin as PM. Also P Hanson on a bad day.
Posted by nicknamenick, Thursday, 19 October 2017 5:57:18 AM
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Abbott signed the Paris agreement. And now backflip's again. Just another filthy lie as he is known for around the world. Whatever he says is opposite to what he says in six months time.

Turnbull is driven by the infiltrators within the liberal party, it would be in Australia's best interest to call an election.
Posted by doog, Thursday, 19 October 2017 7:19:41 AM
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Well Abbott signed the Paris agreement under duress, in the same way that scientists are made to sign AGW "scientific" papers and fake their data or else lose their jobs.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 19 October 2017 7:55:12 AM
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Paul,

If you so strongly support Finkel, then as he has strongly endorsed Turnbull's new power plan you should welcome it too.

The problem with the CET as originally proposed was that it targeted primarily new plant, it was too inflexible, and it worst flaw was that it did little to address network stability.

The new plan mandates a stable mix of power sources and emissions without specifying which sources. This enables the market to determine the cheapest means of supplying power while reducing emissions and guaranteeing stability.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 19 October 2017 9:08:27 AM
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Evidence of your claim Yuyutsu. Are you including Chief Scientist Dr Alan Finkel, and his panel, in that broad based, and as yet unsubstantiated claim you are making? Can you also prove there was duress on Abbott to sign the Paris agreement.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 19 October 2017 9:16:15 AM
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Abbott is always under duress caused by himself. Was he under duress when he told all of them lies before his election, or was that to win at any cost including selling his ars.

Our parliament is full of half casts from other nations, all of these people with duel citizen ship, should have no obligation from Australia for paying a full pension without half the costs payd by their other country of citizenship. There is a lot more to be sorted out over duel citizenship status.
Posted by doog, Thursday, 19 October 2017 9:20:11 AM
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News Flash;
Wind industry claims it is now competitive with coal generation.

News Flash;
German wind industry is claiming it will be decimated, with the loss of thousands of jobs, if Germany goes ahead & stops wind energy subsidies starting in 2020.

Like the Greens, the wind energy industry couldn't lie straight in bed. Clean energy is simply another crutch for this corrupt industry. No corruption, no wind industry.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 19 October 2017 12:14:41 PM
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