Toni Lavis, "I dunno what culture you're a part of where that's a tradition, but here in the West males use condoms"

Precisely how does a male promising to wear a condom allow the girl or to make an informed choice, give consent, where her health and that of her possible future children are concerned?

Your few minutes of fun, a lost or slyly removed condom and the girl's or woman's life is changed forever. But that is her misfortune and try to prove it, you might say.

Parents especially mothers should be taking extra care to impress on their daughters early and often, that a claimed 'low' risk where the consequences could be life-shattering is automatically a red flag where the only rational response is NO!.

Aidan, "BTW who do you think is enthusiastically supporting anal sex?"

A question is not a rebuttal, although that is a popular tactic for some.

For you, informed consent where girls and women are concerned is not on the selfish and egocentric rainbow horizon. However, health authorities are particularly concerned by the increase in risky experimental sexual behaviour of quite young people and the frequency of reports of girls and women generally being coerced and tricked into anal sex.

If sex without the promised properly applied and used condom (and frankly how many men comply with the standard instructions for use?) is to be considered rape and it should be, so too should be failing to inform the female partner of existing disease and possible harm that the male partner was aware of or reasonably ought to have been aware of. That means that the Lotharios, particularly the very high risk 'bisexuals' must take some responsibility for the risks and awful consequences they inflict on their targets.

Why shouldn't girls be raised to expect to be shown a recent clear test? PLUS, not instead of, mandated routine condom use unless she has consented otherwise.

http://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/hiv-testing/learn-about-hiv-testing/who-should-get-tested

That still doesn't adequately deal with the deceit of a man's pursuit of excitement in Thailand, for something new and different that the 'stodgy'(sic) GF or wife cannot provide, or a woman's scalp-hunting, cutting a swarth through a visiting sporting team. That is where informed consent that really does mean informed comes in.

Well look at that, UNESCO yesterday elected its first Jewish director who was able to beat a gentleman from Qatar for the top position.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/13/unesco-gets-first-jewish-director-after-u-s-leaves-over-anti-israel-bias-united-nations-international-organizations-culture-education-diplomacy/

This certainly takes some wind out the sails of those who claim UNESO's attitudes toward Israel is a manifestation of hatred Jewish people in general.

Indeed the accusations of bias are not for any overt action by UNESCO towards Israel but simply for them recognising Palestine a full member of their body. Hardly a crime in most people's eyes except for the highly blinkered.

A spokesman for Prime Minister Theresa May said
Britain remained committed to UNESCO.

"The Government is committed to continued UK
Membership of UNESCO and to working with other
Member States in support of its important work,"
the spokesman said.

And how could you not support the United Nations
Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation
(UNESCO) that works to improve education for girls
in desperately poor countries and in scientific
fields as well as to promote better understanding of the
horrors of the Holocaust and to defend media freedom,
among other activities.

UNESCO has always worked against anti-Semitism and to
preserve the memory of the Holocaust.

Now with the appointment of a Jewish female Director-General
of UNESCO - this only proves that they deserve full support in
their important work.

I wonder what the Australian Government's position will be
in all of this. Will they also be committed to continued
Australian Membership of UNESCO?

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

leoj,
> A question is not a rebuttal, although that is a popular tactic for some.

A rhetorical or semirhetorical question can sometimes be a rebuttal. But my question wasn't; I asked it to find out the answer, as I'm not enthusiastically supporting anal sex, and AFAICT UNESCO isn't either.

> For you, informed consent where girls and women are concerned is not on the selfish and egocentric rainbow horizon.

A strawman is not a rebuttal, although that is a popular tactic for some.

> Why shouldn't girls be raised to expect to be shown a recent clear test?

Who says they shouldn't?
But do you seriously expect they will?

>PLUS, not instead of, mandated routine condom use unless she has consented otherwise.

I think most would consider that overkill.

> That is where informed consent that really does mean informed comes in.
No, it's where it goes out. At that point, if not before, you're just going to have to accept that that the problem is too complicated just be reduced to one of insufficient consent.

//Precisely how does a male promising to wear a condom allow the girl or to make an informed choice, give consent, where her health and that of her possible future children are concerned?//

Yeah, I'm not sure whether you realise this or not, but preventing STI's doesn't really work the same way as preventing pregnancy. There are no pills you can take to prevent, say, the Pox. You can take antibiotics to cure it if you get infected, but the only effective methods are avoiding sex with infectious individuals, or an impermeable barrier which prevents transmission of the Treponema pallidum pallidum bacterium - i.e. a condom.

There are such things as female condoms but they're not commonly used, there's a vaccine for HPV, and I think there's some sort of oral preventative for HIV. But for all the other STI's I can think of, condoms are really the only effective option for sexually active people, and thus the burden of STI prevention falls primarily on the male.

//a lost or slyly removed condom//

Yeah, I hate it when you absent-mindedly misplace your johnny halfway through a root. It's like walking around looking for your glasses when you've been wearing them the whole time, you feel such a fool. 'Now where could that damn condom have gone, I know I had it just a minute a go...'