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No Thanks Nick

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Poor old South Australia is threatened with even more Left wing destruction now that Senator Nick Xenephon has decided to resign from federal politics and return to the SA parliament by contesting the seat of Hartley. Absolutely nothing to do with his iffy citizenship, which is currently before the High Court, of course!

Nick started his political career in the Legislative Council in SA as a one-trick pony on pokies and gambling. When he was elected, there were 9,000 poky machines in SA – there are now 13,000. Not very effective, were you Nick.

The lefter-than-the-Greens senator has refused to say which side of politics he will support, but his history tells that he will never support anything vaguely conservative (which is the current Opposition - very vague), so we could be in for another 4 years – making it 20 straight – of appalling socialist Labor if there is a close result. The Liberal party is not much chop, but another 4 years of Labor could see a mass exodus from the state.

Chris Kenny, writing in 'The Australian', describes the man as “an irritant” offering “no governing alternatives”; he taps into “other people's grievances to maximise a protest vote”, which is the last thing SA needs – more whining to Canberra for hand outs instead of doing something ourselves.

Resign from Federal politics by all means, Nick; but leave South Australia alone.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 8 October 2017 11:07:05 AM
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Regrettably for Australia, politicians with party affiliation are so on the nose with voters that I believe nearly anyone with a public profile whether it be sports or movies etc that can run as independent will give the current fools a good run for there money and possibly succeed.

Trump, Duterte, brexit the people just had enough.
Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 8 October 2017 3:12:18 PM
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Philip,

Xenophon is no longer an independent; he now has his own party machine, albiet still small, and he will be running candidates. The Xenophon whatever-he-is-calling-it group already has a seat in the Adelaide Hills. Added to this, he has always been a man of the Left, which in my view precludes him from being seen as an independent, just as a Right person could not be considered independent. We had an 'independent' in SA until died, and he achieved nothing. I cannot see parties dying out and, therefore, independents are useless.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 8 October 2017 4:42:20 PM
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You don't have to vote for him if you don't like him, so stop whining, Whiny McWhineface.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Sunday, 8 October 2017 5:57:44 PM
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“an irritant” offering “no governing alternatives”; he taps into “other people's grievances to maximise a protest vote”

Are we talking about Pauline Hanson, no, maybe its Cory Bernardi or even David Leyonhjelm, could the serial irritant be Derryn Hinch or Jacqui Lambie. Depending how you view politics the list could be a very long one.

As Toni said "You don't have to vote for him if you don't like him
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 8 October 2017 6:29:19 PM
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The court will soon decide whether Nick Xenophon is a triple citizen, but he certainly is a dual citizen and as such he ought to serve his primary allegiance, give up his Australian citizenship and lead South Australia to independence.

Too long have South Australia been ruled by outsider Australian parties, such as "Labor" and "Liberals", along with their debilitating Australian values and interests: Nick Xenophon will change that!

No more whining to Canberra for hand outs - South Australians can help themselves as free people and would be far better off without the shackles of the Australian commonwealth.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 8 October 2017 7:31:44 PM
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I for one will be voting for Nick Xenophon.

His deal for concessional loans for a solar thermal power station at Port Augusta is likely to be more effective in cutting power prices and boosting reliability than anything the Libs and Labor have done.

And he is strongly pro transparency, which is likely to mean a lot less wasting of government money than occurs at present.

Labor and Liberal governments have both wasted a lot of money while ignoring the state's real needs. They both deserve to lose. The archaic paradigm of left and right has little relevance at state level. Although (ttbn please note) his voting record in Federal parliament favoured the Liberals more than the Greens.
Posted by Aidan, Sunday, 8 October 2017 8:30:34 PM
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Toni and Paul,

Strange comments from you both. Of course I wouldn't vote for Xenophon in a fit. But unlike some people I could name, I don't think the world revolves around me; I actually care about my state, and I think Xenophon would make worse what Labor has been doing for 16 years. He is a menace.

Aidan,

Of course you will be voting for a person who likes spending other people's money and getting into debt. You and I will be cancelling each other's vote.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 8 October 2017 10:04:11 PM
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ttbn,
Nick Xenophon had a reputation for spending money efficiently - even being the only Senator who regularly flew Tiger!

I make no apologies for supporting someone who strongly advocates more transparency to ensure government money is spent more efficiently.

Both the Labor and the Liberal parties in SA have, because of the fear of debt, made some quite absurd false economies. If you think debt is intrinsically bad, perhaps you should consider how much more it cost to duplicate the Southern Expressway than it would have cost to make it two way at the outset?

Before cancelling out my vote, I suggest you think much harder about what it will take to stop government money being wasted.

And remember, the Murdoch press (which perhaps unfortunately, isn't history yet) is lying when it tells you that NX will never support anything vaguely conservative.
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 9 October 2017 1:31:35 AM
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Aidan,

Why are your mentioning 'apologies'? Feeling a little guilty? Not all that sure of your convictions? Nobody suggests that you should apologise. Only you seem not to be sure about yourself.

Politicians have never, and never will, spend our money 'efficiently'; they just spend it. Everything about the 16 year socialist government is “absurd”, and they have never “made...economies”.

The Murdoch press is not lying. It is Xenophon who is refusing to answer questions about whom he would support in the case of a tight vote. Perhaps you haven't been watching him asked the question on TV or listened on radio.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 9 October 2017 8:59:55 AM
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"which in my view precludes him from being seen as an independent, just as a Right person could not be considered independent."

A very odd view there ttbn, independent only mean you are independent of a political party, have no affiliation. It does not mean your politics are central. could be a very conservative independent. I've seen the lot.
Some, would like to head their own political party, but they have a problem drumming up the 500 supporters needed.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 9 October 2017 9:29:02 AM
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Paul,

Whatever. You don't think I have the right to an opinion just because I don't 'have' to vote for a particular candidate. I don't really expect you to agree with me.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 9 October 2017 10:29:54 AM
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ttbn,
> Why are your mentioning 'apologies'? Feeling a little guilty?
Of course I'm not feeling at all guilty. Were I feeling guilty I'd certainly not have mentioned apologies in a negative context. But as it is, you're the one who should apologise!

> Politicians have never, and never will, spend our money 'efficiently'; they just spend it.
I won't dwell on the counterexamples beyond the Nullarbor because there's a far more important - indeed absolutely crucial - point you seem to be overlooking:

EFFICIENCY IS NOT BOOLEAN!

Even if no government spending meets your standards for being efficient, the fact remains that some spending decisions are much much more inefficient than others.

> Everything about the 16 year socialist government is “absurd”, and they have never “made...economies”.
Firstly, Labor's hardly socialist.
Secondly, their Liberal predecessors were similarly bad and for a long time it seemed the opposition had learned nothing.
Thirdly, the Labor government were pretty good in their first term when they had to rely on the support of independents and a National. It wasn't until they had a majority in their own right that they became wasteful and arrogant. Experience shows the best way to minimise inefficiency is to force the government to justify every decision they make!

> The Murdoch press is not lying.
Maybe not deliberately, but it's making baseless claims.

> It is Xenophon who is refusing to answer questions about whom he would support in the case of a tight vote.
Xenophon has not made up his mind about whom he'd support in the case of a tight vote. And nor should he - if it happens, the answer should be negotiated afterwards, not predetermined.
Posted by Aidan, Monday, 9 October 2017 1:04:48 PM
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Aidan,

I'll leave to try to convince yourself that you know know what you are talking about. Your desperate patter hasn't worked on me.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 9 October 2017 2:09:36 PM
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"You don't think I have the right to an opinion just because I don't 'have' to vote for a particular candidate"

ttbn I never said you don't have a right to an opinion, I said your view was odd as to what constituted an independent politician. It is accepted that an independent is simply a member with no party affiliation, not bound by party rules or directions, nothing to do with their political philosophy.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 9 October 2017 4:26:09 PM
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Paul,

I'm not talking about your 'independent' comments. I couldn't be bothered spending time on that.

I am referring to your previous post in which you sided with the maturity-challenged Toni Lavis. You said, "As Toni said you don't have to vote for him". That suggests, in anyone's language, that there is no need for me to have an opinion of a person I regard as a threat to South Australia because I don't have to vote for him.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 9 October 2017 5:05:02 PM
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Hi ttbn, not at all you have the right to express an opinion about Nick Xenophon. I happen to think he is being extremely discourteous towards those who voted for him last election and the rest of Australia. When you run for public office I believe you give an implied commitment to serve for the full term, unless circumstances that are beyond your control prevent you from doing so. That is not the case with Xenophon he is being a cynical b.

Irony. Former NSW Primer Kristina Keneally, was on Sky yesterday passing somewhat muted comment on Xenophon's action. This is the same woman I believe gave an undertaking to the votes of the seat of Heffron NSW in 2011, if returned she would serve them as their local member for a full term, she was duly returned, but her government was ousted with a massive 16% swing. Within 18 moths she cynically walked away, and a by-election was held for her old seat. She can't talk.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 6:46:18 AM
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Paul,

Certainly Xenophon should stay where he is (provided he is 'cleared' by the High Court, which he is almost certain to be). Pricks like him treat politics like a game - at our expense. There are too many of them on all sides of politcs, but voters are too damn lazy or stupid to stand up to them.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 9:16:32 AM
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ttbn,

That is something we agree on. Turnbull first and foremost is the member for Wentworth. Unless he makes it clear before the next election that should his government lose, and he is not PM he will resign, then I would fully expect him to carry on as the local member. At least until the following election, unless circumstances beyond his control prevent him from doing so. Same goes for all politicians who get elected.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 9:36:54 AM
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Vote indigenous....guaranteed to be 100% mono Australian citizen.
Posted by ilmessaggio, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 10:13:14 AM
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