ttbn. K-Mart have a special this week on white bed sheets, I thought you might want to stock up. Could hand them out at the next meeting of the patriots.
Just trying to help you save a dollar.

What utter garbage BAYGON.

My wife was a bit of a bleeding heart until she joined a charity doing what you were doing. She ended up being given the long term unemployed section to handle.

I watched her disillusionment over a few years, as she found just how many bludgers she had to deal with.

She & others in the organisation were threatened many times with violence if they sanctioned any of the bludgers for not complying with requirements for receipt of benefits. Fortunately the police station was just 2 doors away. Her honest assessment after 3 years was about 10% of the long termers were genuine about wanting a job.

She was continually disappointed when the organisation put some they thought genuine through courses, bought them clothes, only to find they stopped turning up at work after a week or two.

If you did not find the same, you are a fool selling yourself a pile of garbage for some private reason.

It also says it all, when SteeleRedux & Foxy revert to a denigrating of the messenger, rather than discuss the actual subject. I'm surprised at you Foxy, but expect nothing else from those like SR.

Dear BAYGON,

Thanks for sharing your experience with us.

Mine has been very similar to yours. I'm not surprised
at what Mr Bernardi has to say. Just look at his
record and stance on things. If BS could float -
he'd be the Admiral of the fleet.

Hassie,

Why are you surprised? That I don't buy BS?
You should know me better by now. I'm surprised
that you do.

@hasbeen
I was quite specific - I dealt with the newly arrived - most for classed at being at risk of being long term unemployed.
I do not doubt your wife's experience but again would not class them as bludgers but rather that the system does a very good job at training people to play the system - this is particularly true for the long term unemployed.
The two instances that I had where people were gaming the system were cases where people had been in the system for over 15 years.
My staff who had clients like those that your wife had found their biggest problem was that the long term unemployed had had so many knock backs that they had mentally given up.
One of the strategies becomes getting on a course, getting some clothes for whilst you are on a course you dont have to go through the farce of listing the employers you have contacted.
Then once they get a job they very quickly discover that they have lost the skills most of us take for granted - a day regulated by the demands of work.
My objection is that we blame the unemployed when we really should be taking a far closer look at the way the system is organized to encourage them to fail.
I agree that there will always be some people who will rort the system but when that figure approaches Pareto's 80:20 ratio then we should recognize that the problem is systemic.

Hi there STEELEREDUX...

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, certain categories of refugees are heavily involved in very major crime, and if one were to extrapolate that a little, I'm positive it wouldn't be too greater reach, to assume these same criminals are milking the Social Welfare system as well! If anyone were dispute this, well there'd be no point continuing the conversation.

You might question whether I could substantiate that claim? When I was still in the job, absolutely. However today of course I couldn't. Perhaps that family member of yours STEELEREDUX who's serving/or did serve, in the AFP most certainly could I'd imagine.

The problem with successive governments they all like to be seen as being munificent in their way they overtly deal with refugee. All at the behest of the United Nations, itself an organisation run very much on socialist, marxist lines. And that's all well and good, but it's about time other Countries did some of the heavy lifting, as well as poor ol Oz, don't you think?

Most Aussies don't mind helping out genuine refugees - But these fraudsters deserve nothing more than gaol and immediate deportation. And if they happen to be found as 'Stateless' by contrivance, or design, in an attempt to foil all deportation measures? Well, that's fine too, with their help we'll simply build a work camp 100kms west of Pine Gap, where they'll stay, until they 'suddenly' or 'mysteriously' find their true and genuine identity documents?

Surely those from the 'Left' couldn't be indignant with such a measure? After all it's the duty of all loyal Australians to protect the integrity of our Social Security system to ensure only those who are legitimately entitled to it, receive it. I'm sure, upon reflection, you'll agree with me on this matter STEELEREDUX.

Baygon's 3,000 out of 200,000 plus every year since John Howard's government lost power (and he lost his seat because of his foolishness) is not 'atypical'? As Hasbeen says, 'what garbage'.

Paul 1405,

A bed wetter like you would have more need of lots of sheets than I do.