Foxy,

I looked at it in context and here is part of what your link says:

"The quran is OK with killing people who deserve death, but it explicitly states that killing the “innocent” is completely forbidden. This is where people get misinformed, and how deception gets spread: The “innocent” is not what you think it is. The innocent by the definition given in the Quran are strict Muslims. It explicitly goes into detail about what makes you not innocent. If you believe in other religions or are atheist, you are not innocent. If you are unclean, eat banned foods, you are not innocent. If you do not abide by the sexual rules laid out in the Quran, you are not innocent. If you do not do your duty of prayer, fasting, and mosque attending, you are no innocent. So on and so forth. If you are not innocent, you are not protected by the book. In some regards you have a chance to become “innocent” and convert but if you do not you should not live– according the Quran. Many of the innocence breaking acts are immediately punishable by death.

There are over 100 verses in the Quran that deal with violence and killing the non-innocent. So yes, it actually says to kill people. It would be much more difficult to interpret the Quran as a peaceful book rather than a violent one. Muhammed himself had numerous people brutally killed because they spoke out against him."

Does kill mean to put to death or do you have an alternative meaning?

Dear Is Mise,

I can see that you did not look at the link in
context at all. You choose just the small part that
appealed to you - and not the explanations that
were given and their historical context.

Here is a little more from the same link:

"It's not about what your holy book says. It's
about how seriously and literally you take it. I
don't personally know any Jews who force their
women to live elsewhere during their period, or
stone anyone who's worked on the Sabbath, and for
that matter I know very few Christians who give unto
Caesar without bitching about it, or who turn the
other cheek."

"There's a great deal of focus lately on specific
passages in the Qur'an, but what's actually relevant
is what any given person makes of those passages.
You can find literalists and extremists in any
faith tradition, and will if you look hard enough."

cont'd ...

cont'd ...

Dear Is Mise,

I suggest that you go back to the link I gave and
read the Chapter, "Islam is no more violent
than Christianity and Judaism were."

"To paint all Muslims of today with broad strokes is as
fallacious as painting all of any other large group the
same way. There are over one and a half billion Muslims
in the world today spread through most of the world,
observing numerous denominations (or none). To suggest
they all read the Qur'an the same way is clearly
ignorant." If that were true, there would be only one
denomination."

"It is the same reason there are several different
Jewish denominations, and countless Christian ones.
They do not all agree on it, but instead have numerous
different interpretations."

"If you delve into ancient books of any Abrahamic
faith tradition or even just study their documented
history of the last milennia - you're going to find
a lot of blood."

"That is not specifically relevant to those living
in modern times. The vast majority of Jews, Christians,
and Muslims are not violent people and have no interest
in revisiting the barbarity of ancient times."

I suggest you go back and re-read the entire link
I cited earlier. Perhaps the second time around you will
get the message that is being given and not just select
what suits your personal viewpoint.

I have nothing further to add on this subject.

SteeleRedux - No confusion here as a sarcastic comment can also be based on fact.

In reply,

"The Muslim world wants White Knights, not critics
...
There is a simple reason why most Muslims prefer their White Knights instead of their critics: They believe that Islam is perfect and infallible.

Most Muslims believe that Islam as a religion can never be faulted for anything, and instead the fault lies with the way believers practise it. This means that it is the “moderates” who are not practising Islam the way it is meant to, by cherry-picking verses of the Quran and the Hadith, and by not taking holy texts literally."

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/opinion/zurairi-ar/article/the-muslim-world-wants-white-knights-not-critics#PxM67pOhTfvvxxRu.97

Foxy,

"To suggest
they all read the Qur'an the same way is clearly
ignorant."

What are their different definitions of 'kill'?

What's your definition?