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The Forum > General Discussion > Forget same sex marriage, I think we need a referendum on our approach to climate change

Forget same sex marriage, I think we need a referendum on our approach to climate change

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I just don't get it, why on the one hand are we putting our economic future in jeopardy, by pouring billions into renewable s, and closing coal fired power stations, while allowing the same coal to be burned over seas, omitting the same amount of carbon, for what is essentially a 0.48 OF A DEGREE REDUCTION IN TEMP BY 2030. LESS THAN HALF OF ONE DEGREE.

Where's the so called PUB TEST!

Has the world gone mad?

Are we really that stupid?

Forget same sex marriage, I think we need a referendum on climate change and whether or not we keep going down this economically crippling path of switching to what is proving to be inferior renewable energy.

The other part of that vote should be whether we pursue nuclear energy with the billions as opossed to renewables.
Posted by rehctub, Saturday, 10 June 2017 6:29:40 AM
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The world is switching of nuclear, America have shut down a host of plants and so to elsewhere in the world. Nuclear is not as good as you are led to believe.
We now have a clear cut plan to do something about Climate Change and stabilize our increasingly erratic climate.
We are on a good path to renewable clean energy. The radical far right of politics will not see the point, but their decisions are not common sense they are driven by same same dirty policy.
Posted by doog, Monday, 12 June 2017 9:21:26 AM
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We are not "really that stupid"; but Turnbull and Shorten are.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 12 June 2017 2:26:44 PM
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In fact, Trump is the only politician in the Western world who is not afraid to call out the AGW scam.

After the total lies and incompetency of the climate alarmists have so clearly been disproved by the climate and environment itself, it is beyond comprehension that boofheads like Turmbull are still intent on ruining Australia by continuing with the farce.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 12 June 2017 2:35:06 PM
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fake news and fake science. The regressives luv it. Meanwhile India, China and overpaid UN staff benefit. Truthful scienctist laugh and cry at such perversion of proper science. Anything to divert attention from Islamic terrorism produced by idiotic regressive immigration policy.
Posted by runner, Monday, 12 June 2017 2:38:23 PM
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Doog, if all on the Paris agreement, some 165 countries if i recall, obied by it, the result will be a reduction in temp by 2030 of ZERO POINT 48 OF ONE degree, thats with the US in who is responsible for somewhere in the order of 20%. How is less than one half of a degree worth so much pain Doog?

Also, why is it ok to burn our coal in the likes of China, but not here?

It's a crippling joke and is simply going to deprive my grand children of the joys of life i had as a kid.
Posted by rehctub, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 4:16:07 PM
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As before the AGW argument is irrelevant as there is not enough fossil
fuels economically available to cause the suggested problem of temperature.
It is a matter of Energy Return on Energy Invested.
ERoEIs of all fossil fuels are falling.

We do have to leave oil, gas and coal before they leave us.
Of that there is no doubt.

So the problem is to manage the transition to a new energy regime.
We have to do it before the ERoEI of our present fuels falls below
approx 5:1. Some say 7:1 is the critical figure.
If we fail to act in time our complex society will go the way of the
Roman Empire.
It failed because its return on effort expended fell below sustainable
levels.
The quantity of silver from the Spanish mines fell below a sustainable ERoEI.
The cost of slaves, a major source of energy, fell to a low ERoEI.
It lost its seaborne trade to Arab pirates and the wheat from Egypt.
A source of energy.
Just like the Cheetah must get more energy from its kill than it
expends in chasing it, so must an economy get a gain in energy.
The falling ERoEI of European energy is reflected in their low GDP.

All I am saying here is we need alternative energies but we cannot
waste time mucking about with half baked schemes.

An enormous amount of energy will be required to build the new energy
system and we will need oil & coal to do it. If we do not use them
there may be no other way to get to where we need be.

If not say "Hello Augustus"
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 4:35:19 PM
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