It honestly feels that way to me. The terrorist attacks are getting worse. London hit again today with people mowed down by a van on London Bridge, people with their throats cut at the nearby Borough Market and they just said on the ABC there is another incident yet again being attended to, but no news on that as yet.
It's out of control and quite terrifying.

http://www.news.com.au/world/terror-incident-on-london-bridge/news-story/da2193dc6631617b937a3bbc7f462456

Dear Moonshine,

History is replete with such sporadic incidents.
Accidents, murders, crazy people and crazy weather.
What changed is the media - they cause more harm than the terrorists themselves.

The less we report and talk about this, both the less incentive those murderers have and the more serenity we can live in without being bothered about those mishaps that we cannot control anyway.

the pig headed ignorance of the left is responsible for this. Because their own ideology is putried they have been in denial about Islam for a long time. No wonder they find a ' moral' conscience when it comes to fake science and news like global warming.

runner, you have managed to link the left to terrorism, to global warming, all in two lines, well done.

On terrorism for the biblical inclined; Hosea 8:7

"For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind"

runner you are in denial, through you own religious bigotry you manage to link all the wrongs in the world to those you perceive as being opposed to your religious world view, the left, Islam etc etc. While ever people with your mind set hold sway, terrorism will continue to flourish. Pray to god, what good that will do, that things might get better.

Sorry Paul, but your appeasing attitude just isn't working. Is it. So when exactly, do people with that 'be nice and they'll be nice back' mindset think it's actually time to fight back?

Because we're losing. Bigtime. And it's getting worse.

@ Yuyutsu...so you think the media shouldn't report on such things as the London massacre?

I see. Although I am sick and tired of journalist opinion articles that aren't news, just their own personal, and mostly skewed thoughts, depending on whether they're left or right mindsetters.

Hi Paul,

It was reported this morning that a quarter of Muslims in Britain don't believe there is any sort of 'extremism' problem in Britain at all. Only 7 % believe that al Qa'ida brought down the Twin Towers. 5 % think the Jews did it.

Who do you reckon they'll vote for, Corbyn or May ?

Come to think of it, if a survey was done of the 'left' in Britain, on those two issues, how do you reckon they'd vote ?

Yuyutsu,

Yes, I'm surprised that some psychotic or sociopath hasn't countered all the reports of terrorist murders by pointing out that it's really quite a minor issue, since more than two million people die each year from malaria. Nothing to see here.

After all, he/she may observe, more people die each year from falling refrigerators than from terrorist attacks, certainly more from pool drownings and car accidents and bee stings. More Australians die each year from shark attacks than from terrorist attacks, they may say. Yes, psychosis takes some strange turns. And they walk among us.

Then you get the carefully calculated comments of Anne Aly, preparing the way for submission ........

Joe

Yes. And the victims of terror must be getting pretty sick of all the 'we stand with you' crap from the likes of Malcolm Turnbull. White hot anger and retaliation is the only answer to terrorism, starting with moves against the Muslim ghettos in countries stupid enough to have let these creatures in.

If 'moderate' Muslims were in the vast majority, wouldn't they be using gentle persuasion on the imams and sheikhs and ayatollahs to firmly condemn all acts of terrorism from the infludential pulpits of their mosques?

And wouldn't those 'leaders' of their 'communities' be actively denouncing Islamist terrorism, Islamo-fascism, as anathema to Islam - IF it IS anathema to Islam, maybe I've got that wrong - and advising as strongly as possible that anybody remotely suspected of having sympathy with fascist murderers will be cast out, and identified promptly to the police ?

After all, wouldn't they be enemies of Islam IF Islam condemned such vile activities ?

Deep silence, seems to be the stern reply.

Joe

There is no moderation in Islam. Muslims are attacking moderate majority non-Muslims; we should he returning the compliment. As long as these mythical Muslim moderates refuse to stand up for decency, they should be treated the same way as terrorists. Anyway, there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim; no moderate, decent person can be a Muslim according to the Koran.

No muslim can be a moderate, well that settles that then. TTbN has spoken.

In 1899, Winston Churchill said of Islam: "No stronger retrograde force exists in the world."

120 years later, with more than enough proof of Churchill's words, our rubbish politicians still haven't got the message.

Only a fool would welcome a practising Muslim to the shores of a civilised world. Only a fool would allow the construction of a mosque as the centre of all perverted teachings, including the most efficient ways to kill their welcoming hosts. 

Our rubbish politicians are certainly fools.

Currently, there are 400 ongoing investigations into potential terrorists in Australia.

And, that is just the ones the Keystone Cops have stumbled across.

Moonshine asks if we are at war.

Yes, we are. We have troops in the Middle East. We are supporting our US allies, who have been dropping bombs there.

Dear Moonshine,

We cannot only blame journalists - they are only trying to make a living. It's us, consumers, who should not click on their articles or listen to their programs about terrorism, then eventually they will get the message that they need to look elsewhere to pay their bills.

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Dear Joe,

Why, deaths from shark attacks and fallen refrigerators are extremely low, way below terrorism, I am not sure about bee stings, but malaria, pool drownings and definitely car accidents, do exceed the casualties of terrorism by far.

Who is Anne Aly? I didn't see any comment of hers - perhaps on another thread?

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Dear Ttbn,

«Only a fool would allow the construction of a mosque as the centre of all perverted teachings»

We have just heard that one of the London attackers was expelled from their mosque for shouting and arguing with the Imam: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571164/One-three-London-attackers-thrown-local-mosque.html

See also http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/06/why-a-mosque-is-refusing-to-bury-the-manchester-attacker/528648/

Paul1405: runner, you have managed to link the left to terrorism, to global warming, all in two lines, well done.

Nothing wrong with that. He's right.

Hosea 8:7: "For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.

Well I guess the Terrorists will find that out eventually.

moonshine: 'be nice and they'll be nice back'

mohomadeans are banking on that attitude from the West backed up by the naive Lefties.

Doog: No muslim can be a moderate, well that settles that then. TTbN has spoken.

no, that was the President of Turkey.

ttbn: Currently, there are 400 ongoing investigations into potential terrorists in Australia.

Once identified as a potential threat they sho (must) be removed from Australia. That would have the effect of then exposing the other 100 or so who are lying dormant, then they could be exported quickly as well.

bobd35: We are supporting our US allies, who have been dropping bombs there.

On ISIS who are running rampant & killing every civilian & non-moslim they can get their grubby hands on. Don't forget that ISIS killers are also civilians, not soldiers.

Yes, we are at War with Islam & our Politicians must wake up to that fact

Of course we are at war, and we have been for 1400 years.
Mohammed gave the moslems the task of conquering Rome.
Right from the beginning they have been attacking Europe.
The only change is they have changed tactics and are now using immigration.
There were over 800 battles against Rome/Greece/Spain/France and
Eastern Europe and Russia up until 1918.
Go and read the history, wikipeadia/islamic invasion of europe.

' Right from the beginning they have been attacking Europe.
The only change is they have changed tactics and are now using immigration'

Yes Bazz and pig headed secular continue with ignorance and dogma.
all religions are the same
Islam is a religion of peace

Secularist murder millions of unborn. Islam kills infidels. How great it must be to belong to these death cults.

Guns are the only answer and people who are prepared to use the to protect their heritage.
Just like charity begins at home and not in massive handouts to countries where producing
more mouths to feed is the daily pastime.
The polies answer to our problems are higher energy prices and raise the retirement age.

The blind ignorance on this thread is astounding. Total knee jerk reactions.
The last comment is indicative of the ignorance of many on here; "Guns are the only answer and people who are prepared to use"

Instead of wanting to take a controlled, reasoned, and holistic approach to what is a very serious world problem, Islamic terrorism, these boofheads with their unthinking reactions do not realize they are playing into the hands of the likes of ISIS. Giving terrorists exactly what they want, a divided society, one which alienates millions of moderate Muslims, cannot be the answer. What has to be realized is, there is no easy answer to what is a very complex problem, for both the West, and moderate Muslims as well.

Good grief Paul! In one sentence you say people's hatred and anger are knee jerk reactions..then in the very next sentence you say we face a world wide serious problem.

To quote the words of a well known politician "please explain?

And the problem with that is, moonshine?

<<In one sentence you say people's hatred and anger are knee jerk reactions..then in the very next sentence you say we face a world wide serious problem.>>

Or do you think a knee-jerk reaction is the appropriate response to a worldwide problem?

Wouldn’t you prefer a rational and well though-through response?

I think the error in thinking here is that whatever policy you
adopt, the "enemy" will not change its successful policy.
That policy is terror tied with immigration.
There is only one policy that will have any affect.
It is a hard line police/intelligence/military/political campaign
Deportation where possible even with legal changes to overcome barriers
not allowing further mosques, closing those preaching genocide against
non moslems. Once closed to never be reopened.

Establish a church organisation to receive those defecting from Islam
and provide them with sanctuary, a new identity and the spiritual
support they may need. It could be supported by government funding.

We are at war and we are tolerating a fifth column.
That is unacceptable.

Meanwhile, down in Melbourne, there has been a terrorist incident involving a violent person who was out on parole.

Seems that he used firearms; are the gun laws must be working OK?

sorry for the typo, above.

This isn't a war. A war requires two sides to fight each other with all means at their disposal.

This is more in the nature of a protracted surrender negotiation.

The west (or at least western Europe) has already lost. The only question is the terms of the surrender.

The European politicians think they can get a negotiated peace. The Islamists and their supporters know that they can win it all by simply continuing to do what they do.

The question for Australia (and the US) is whether we want to go down the same path.

@ AJ Phillips.. " Wouldn’t you prefer a rational and well though-through response?"

We've been listening to these 'reational and well thought through responses since 9/11.

Well thought through responses = useless talk fests, usually in another country and costing millions..smiley politicians, big dinners, handshakes...Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Meanwhile in Melbourne today...

Enough.

That wouldn't be much of a response, moonshine.

<<Well thought through responses = useless talk fests, usually in another country and costing millions..smiley politicians, big dinners, handshakes...Wash. Rinse. Repeat.>>

But, okay then. What do you envision this knee-jerk reaction would look like, and how would it be more productive?

You seemed to approve of 'hatred' and 'anger' earlier. What else would a suitable knee-jerk reaction involve, do you think, and how would we determine whether it was an appropriate response if it's also a knee-jerk one?

This morning radio audiences of Leon Byner were subjected to an 'expert', Dr. John Bruni, mouthing off about how the media should stop talking about terrorism and describe terrorists as 'disturbed individuals', 'lunatics'.

Save us from 'experts'; they are as big a problem as Muslim terrorists!

A liberal Minister sitting next to a Theologian on Q & A said "Islam is a religion of Peace". He informed her face to face that it was not. He explained why, remember a theologian!
The koran states a muslim is able to lie to any non-muslim.
What more do you need to know? All the "we love you" nonsense from muslims should be treated as nonsense.
Halt all muslim immigration, reduce Centrelink payments to muslims, ensure their organisations are taxed as they are muslim. This is what muslims do to non-muslims.
This problem will get worse and the people will eventually vote in someone who will fix the muslim problem and then you will have something to worry about.

Paul1405: Giving terrorists exactly what they want, a divided society, one which alienates millions of moderate Muslims, cannot be the answer.

"There are no moderate moslims, there are only moslims," President of Turkey.

The answer is to give in & become a moslim. Delima? which one? The moslim world is divided in to many Sects which all hate one another. That means the problem just won't go away, it would become worse.

The World would be run by ignorant mullars who only know the World through the koran & hadiths. What a wonderful World that would be. The Sun would start spinning around the Earth. the Earth would suddenly become Flat. Mad Jinns would be flying around causing sickness. Still there are advantages. Women would be locked away. They would have to get on their backs every time a man felt like it. They would have to keep their mouths shut (I like that). They would have to do what they are told, not the other way around. Men could beat their wives any time they felt the need for the slightest excuse. You could have slave girls to share with your neighbour & likewise & the wife couldn't object otherwise she'd get a beating. Little boys & animals would be available if a man felt the need for a bit of variety.

Hey! this gets better all the time.

ttbn,

Going by your track record, I don’t trust your recollection of what was said at all. But if what you say is accurate, then this Dr John Bruni is either not an expert in terrorism, or he’s lying. Terrorism experts understand that these people are usually of sound mind. Here’s an article from an expert on radicalisation that discusses this:

“The usefulness of these explanations [psychological traits], however, has been notoriously low. Terrorists have been found to be physically and mentally similar to other people who do not engage in violent activities. Thus, no matter how tempting psychological profiling could be with regard to potential terrorists, the success of such endeavours is dubious and the vast variety of individuals involved in organizations supporting and enacting terrorism is too wide to lead to any generalizable results.”

http://www.degruyter.com/downloadpdf/j/ipcj.2015.17.issue-1/ipcj-2015-0002/ipcj-2015-0002.pdf

"This morning radio audiences of Leon Byner were subjected to an 'expert', Dr. John Bruni, mouthing off about how the media should stop talking about terrorism and describe terrorists as 'disturbed individuals', 'lunatics'."

About like describing drug dealers as 'unlicensed pharmacists'.

Hi AJ,

Ooooo, another straw man: why do you assume that any extra response to terrorism other than "rational and well though-through responses" can only be a knee-jerk response ? Either your way or the highway ? Naughty !

It's an extremely complicated world, and maybe it always has been. 'We' may not trust Muslims, they may not trust 'us'. They may believe that we are filth, 'haram', we may believe they are all liars, i.e. practising 'tekkiah'. But we can still get on, we can still be friends:

I worked for four years at northern Adelaide's Sunday markets, selling packets of coffee and tea. 35,000 people come through the markets every Sunday, of enormous ethnic variety. Very many people come every week, and you get to know many of them, at last by sight: not only does a smile turneth away wrath, but it sells tea and coffee.

Many stop and chat, that took up most of the morning. One middle-aged lady, I think Iraqi, used to stop and browse and we'd yarn with our limited language abilities. After maybe a year, maybe two, I stuck my hand out and introduced myself. She drew back in horror and said "Haram !" so we carried on afterwards in the knowledge that touching filth was just one of those things to avoid. No probs. I liked her, and just assumed that she was practising tekkiah to the hilt.

We're probably both right. That's how it is: we CAN co-exist in a mutually assumed atmosphere of loathing and mistrust. We can like someone and still totally mistrust them. We can like someone and still think they are filth.

Yeah, I'm sure it can seem quite schizophrenic, but maybe that's how the world has always been. No biggie, we just keep moving forwards.

[Does this sound completely crazy to anybody else ?]

Joe

Um, Joe. The last supposed straw man wasn’t even a straw man. Remember?

<<… why do you assume that any extra response to terrorism other than "rational and well though-through responses" can only be a knee-jerk response ?>>

At what point do I assume this?

It looks to me like you need to read through the thread a little more carefully.

Whoops.

Joe,

I assume that you stuck out your right hand?
Muslims wipe their anus and surrounds with their left hands, right handed Westerners use their right, therefore your hand was haram, not necessarily the rest of you!!

AJ,

I think the word "only" gave it away :)

Hi Is Mise,

No, I knew not to do that - even though I'm a proud left-hander, I don't do that to or for anybody. Now, unless a Muslim sticks out THEIR hand, I'm content to just put my hand on my heart.

Hmmmm, maybe I wouldn't shake hands even if they stuck out their LEFT hand :) Haram !

I wonder how left-handed Muslims get on ? Are they totally haram, not just their hand ? Do they have to conceal their left-handedness, or are they killed off when they're very young ? What a pity for Islam, as with many backward religions, that no matter what you do or how you twist and turn, you always have a 'left side'. Everything has.

Cheers,

Joe

Where did I say “only”, Joe?

<<I think the word "only" gave it away>>

This is getting really pathetic now. I think you’ve realised your mistake and are just squirming now. It’s dishonest.

Please don’t waste our time and posts on unfounded accusations.

AJ,

No you didn't use the word "only", I assumed it when you wrote "what else" and "knee-jerk" instead:

"What else would a suitable knee-jerk reaction involve, do you think, and how would we determine whether it was an appropriate response if it's also a knee-jerk one?"

Sort of synonyms.

Anyway, whatev.

j

Politicians denying that we are not at war, and that terrorism is 'nothing to do with Islam' will eventually have to accept that THEY are just as GUILTY as the Muslim terrorists for the deaths of innocent people.

The police and the criminal justice system is NOT UP TO THE TASK of dealing with terrorism. The military must be used PROACTIVELY to fight Muslim terrorists. The police should stick to civil law enforcement instead of reacting to something they don't understand.

Habeas corpus for suspected terrorists must go. These people have rejected our society, so they should not benefit from the mores and laws of our society.

Hi Ttbn,

Expanding the custodial system to capture creatures like that bloke in Brighton BEFORE they can act is surely overdue: anybody suspected of plotting terrorist acts, or being in touch with someone who is, should be arrested and interned in solitary confinement until they can be, some day, no rush, brought before a court.

Again, such an internment camp would have to be away from civilization - no visitors - perhaps run by the military, and way out in the sticks somewhere - so Oodnadatta or Betoota immediately come to mind.

By the way, is it true that there haven't been anybody from New Zealand killed yet in any Islamo-fascist atrocity ? So I've just been informed, but I can't believe it. With an average of one atrocity a day somewhere, surely not ?

Cheers,

Joe

Joe, I have also never seen a reference to a New Zealander being
injured or killed anywhere.

There was a camp for boat people that was in the outback somewhere
so that could be used. It was very remote.
Make sure they realise that they would die if
they escaped and that we would not go looking for them.

talking about parole is really a diversion. Stopping Islamic immigration from the Middle East is the only way the minimise the chaos created by our multicultural ' champions over the last 40 years. Unfortunatly many of them are sitting on huge Government pensions having successfully created ghettos and much more danger than what was necessary. We deserve all that we get if we continue to vote in these traitors who have no guts to even identify Islamic terrorism. Bill Shorten can't even bring himself to say ' Islamic' while Turnbull needed a hook in his nose to drag him to where he is today.

Hi Runner,

Yes, perhaps a temporary holt to the immigration of Muslim refugees and migrants until Islamism, in any of its new guises, is conclusively defeated might be necessary.

Certainly, parole conditions - especially in Victoria, it seems - must be very much strengthened. A sentence should mean a sentence, so that that minority of Islamist trash who are also common criminals, drug addicts, whoremongers, burglars and wife beaters, can be kept in confinement, and away from civilized people for the full duration of their offences.

This would have to apply to all prisoners, Muslim and otherwise: the non-Muslim pioneers could reflect on the reasons for the new extensions on their confinement when they mix with Muslim prisoners.

I still think places like Oodnadatta and Betoota might be the most suitable places.

Cheers,

Joe

Hi Joe,

I am shocked that you are a 'holocaust' denier, and believe Aboriginal people should be exterminated. along with Jews, Gypsies and homosexuals. After all, as a anti gay marriage proponent you align yourself with White Supremacy and other far right extremists views, one of which is they also oppose gay marriage, Is that not truly a fair assumption, considering you aligned my support for marriage equality with Islamic terrorism. I cannot recall any Islamic Terrorist shouting "Allah be praised, and gay marriage forever!" just before blowing himself up! My correlation is far stronger than yours, despite the fact I have condemned terrorism many times on the forum, you have the audacity to link me with Islamic terrorism. I can never recall you supporting the rights of Gypsies for example, so I take it you want them exterminated.

p/s BTW Joe, are not the Islamic fundo's in the same camp as the Christian fundo's when it comes to gay marriage? Hummm, why are you aligning yourself with Islamic terrorists? Thanks for the crap!

Hi again Joe,

Now you want to lock people up on "suspicion".

<< anybody suspected of plotting terrorist acts, or being in touch with someone who is, should be arrested and interned in solitary confinement until they can be, some day, no rush, brought before a court.>>
<<Again, such an internment camp would have to be away from civilization - no visitors - perhaps run by the military, and way out in the sticks somewhere - so Oodnadatta or Betoota immediately come to mind.>>

Want to run you own little "Auschwitz" do you? How about we combine your concentration camps with ttbn's "proactive" military mob, the storm troopers. runner can be running around with all the other Christian fundo's delivering the sermons, reeducating all with the new Christian values. I can just imagine some old woman protesting "I only sent my boy a birthday card, I am not in touch with any terrorists!" as the ttbm storm troopers drag her off to Camp Joe for reeducation by runners mob of fundo's. When it all dies down, we could invade Poland. Ah?

p/s What do you have against the people of Oodnadatta and Betoota, wanting to build some dirty big concentration camp in their backyard. How about in yours?
Besides, I told you elsewhere, that Oodnadatta is earmarked as Australia's future capital, when the new Aboriginal Treaty takes effect, and the new nation of Aboalia is proclaimed in the east,. Betoota will replace Sydney as Australia's largest city. I am a member of the Hands Off Oodnadatta and Betoota Action Group" In fact I hold the most senior positions in the group. Would you care to join we are offering free membership for a limited time, we are hoping to expand our membership by 100% this year. You joining would certainly to go a very long way to achieing that objective.

Hmmm, what is that smoky smell ?

Paul,

What ?! How on earth do you come to your crazy conclusions ? Or are you just teasing ? 'Holocaust denier' ? My (step-)grandfather was Hungarian Jewish, he lost all of his relations at Auschwitz except a cousin in Rumania and a brother fighting with Tito's Partisans against Nazism and the scum Serbian Chetniks.

What on earth do you mean about supporting Indigenous people being exterminated ?! What, my own kids and relations ?! Get a grip.

No, I'm not anti-gay, just not supportive of homosexual 'marriage': leave marriage as currently defined, find another word.

Wow, when you go Manichaean, you really go Manichaean.

Aligning Islamist fascism and the homosexual movement ?! What ?! How on earth do you connect those ? I'm totally opposed to what Islamists do to homosexuals, it's so unspeakably vile, and if anything, I could accuse the half-wit 'Left', in their pusillanimous back-handed support for Islamists, of favouring Islamist fascism over homosexual rights, including the very right to live. Isn't that so ?

For the record, I support the rights of Gypsies to all of the rights of other people, especially Australians. Also, before you launch another spray, the rights of Yazidis, Mandeans, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Druses and Zoroastrians. Oh, Bahai'i too: the first Aboriginal funeral in Adelaide that I went to was for a Bahai'i, my wife's uncle, I met her for the first time that night.

For the record, I condemn outright the recent ISIS attacks, including the one in Teheran. And the one in Melbourne. And the one in London. And the one in Paris. Etc., etc., etc.

Anything else ? Ah, another Paul post. Okay. I hope you took your pills. Round two. Kite wawe koe i.

Joe

Paul,

What ?! How on earth do you come to your crazy conclusions ? Or are you just teasing ? 'Holocaust denier' ? My (step-)grandfather was Hungarian Jewish, he lost all of his relations at Auschwitz except a cousin in Rumania and a brother fighting with Tito's Partisans against Nazism and the scum Serbian Chetniks.

What on earth do you mean about Indigenous people being exterminated ?! What, y own kids and relations ?! Get a grip.

No, I'm not anti-gay, just not supportive of homosexual 'marriage': leave marriage as currently defined, find another word. Wow, when you go Manichaean, you really go Manichaean.

Aligning Islamist fascism and the homosexual movement ?! What ?! How on earth do you connect those ? I'm totally opposed to what Islamists do to homosexuals, it' vile, and if anything, I could accuse the half-wit 'Left', in their pusillanimous back-handed support for Islamists, of favouring Islamist fascism over homosexual rights, including the very right to live. Isn't that so ?

For the record, I support the rights of Gypsies to all of the rights of other people, especially Australians. Also, before you launch another spray, the rights of Yazidis, Mandeans, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Druses and Zoroastrians. Oh, Bahai'i too: the first Aboriginal funeral in Adelaide that I went to was for a Bahai'i, my wife's uncle, I met her for the first time that night.

For the record, I condemn outright the recent ISIS attacks, including the one in Teheran. And the one in Melbourne. And the one in London. And the one in Paris. Etc., etc., etc.

Anything else ? Ah, another Paul post. Okay. I hope you took your pills. Round two.

Joe

Paul,

Yes. Lock people up on strong suspicion, on reasonable grounds according to a magistrate, that they may engage in terrorist activity if allowed to roam free near your place. Yes. Good one. Perhaps out at Oodnadatta. Okay, Betoota as well.

The remand system will probably be overloaded but never mind, justice grinds surely even if it can grind extremely slowly. Years even. Gosh, what a shame.

No, I don't support the random extermination of anybody, not like your Islamist mates (see, I can be absurdist too) who may just engage in precisely that behaviour - probably with your strong support (my absurdism is infinite, Paul) ?

What else ? Okay, employment opportunities at Oodnadatta and Betoota: I know they're bustling towns now but I would always support any boost to employment in such regional areas. So would the locals. And the makers of small, corrugated iron sheds.

Ah, I get it ! You've been having a lend of me all along ! Good one, Paul ! And there I was, thinking you were just hitting the turps a bit hard !

Cheers,

Joe

Hi Joe,

You did try and link my support for gay marriage with being soft on Islamic terrorism, a link I failed to comprehend, and was totally false to boot.
Therefore I assumed when someone disagrees with you the new modus operandi as established by you from the above is to throw as much unrelated crap as you can at the other bloke, and hope some of it sticks. Am I wrong? If so I retract all those unfounded assumptions I have placed on you, and apologize unreservedly. And I do in advance.

Hi Paul,

Well, who do you support - Islamist fascists or the homosexual movement, you can' support both ? Can you ? I don't know, 'Left' opportunism is so flighty these days.

I'm assuming you're having what my son calls a' brain fart'. I forgive you, take it easy, you'll be okay. Kia ora.

Cheers,

Joe

Yes we are at war with an opposing culture; that is the reason most wars have been fought in the past. However in the West we do not have the death penalty so they cannot die as martyrs for the cause; so suicide makes them as martyr if they take out innocent civilians.

The intelligence and Army should be able to search out anyone who would plan, operate or supply with knowledge things that harm innocent persons or their property.

It is a Muslim agenda to fracture our society to create conflict, so the moderates are called to deal with the problem and take over positions of power in society.

Hi Joe,

I do not support, condone, agree, endorse, choose what ever suitable word you like, but get it out of your head that I support Islamic terrorist, in fact I don't support any kind terrorism what so ever.

Now you have cleansed your cranium receptors of that silly little bit of nonsense, take this on board, and in the words of the infamous leader the lovely Pauline "please explain". How was it that Ernst Röhm, equally infamous leaded of the Nazi SA, was able to dispatch his storm troopers to bash and murder homosexuals, whilst at the same time being home in bed bonking young boys? Or how was it that J Edgar Hoover, even more equally infamous FBI Director, btw no relation to the vacuum cleaner of the same name, was able to denigrate transvestites, whilst he himself was dressed up looking like Marilyn Monroe, high heels and all! When you have the answers, please get back to me.

Love and kisses Joe, from Paul, not that I am any of those types mentioned above.

Hi Paul,

Love and kisses accepted, at arm's length :)

I'm not sure what you are asking - that many homosexuals are frauds, publicly condemning homosexuality but rooting all the little boys they can ? Are you linking homosexuality with pedophilia ? You might be onto something there, but I couldn't possibly comment.

What has all that got to with Hanson ? Or, in fact, this thread ?

While we struggle valiantly to get this discussion back to topic, I was appalled by Shorten's comment in the paper today, to the effect that, in a sort of way, terrorists aren't so bad because a lot of their victims are Muslim. About that lovely young girl blown to bits while eating ice-cream in Baghdad, he said, "Let's not forget that , she was the daughter of refugees, she was a young Muslim girl."

Well, yes, she was Shia while the scum-bag bombers so beloved of the 'Left' were Sunni. How does that mitigate terrorism at all ? What a contemptible little turd. Or have I got him wrong ?

And he raised the notion, which may have occurred to most of us all some time ago, that not all Muslims were supporters of terrorism, that we shouldn't " ..... be vilifying a whole community for the actions of a criminal few."

Gosh ! Why haven't we thought of that before ? Of course that's so, and we all know it, so it's just a contemptible red herring. Let's repeat ten times: not all Muslims support terrorism.

BUT the entire Muslim community does have an obligation, given the vile actions of those 'few', to speak out, to condemn vile acts committed effectively in their name. Certainly, 'leaders' in the Muslim community have such an obligation, to speak out very loud and very clear.

Joe

False flag attack to manipulate the election.

Paul1405,
You are certainly right about Hoover.
He and Errol Flynn and Howard Hughes were all part of the same pediphile ring.

Hi Pal and Chris,

Insofar as your comments about pedophiles have connections to this thread, yes, it is well-known that - I hate to say this, I hate it so much, it may be so distressing - young Muslim men often have predilections for the arses of little boys, even in preference to the various other parts of little girls, at least until they are married at 12 or 14. In the 1935 Moseley Commission Report in WA, they advised banning any Aboriginal boys being taken on board pearling luggers, to avoid what they called 'the Mahometan vice.'

But in their defence, one can point out that they also have predilections for donkeys, chickens, goats and sheep: their tastes are a very versatile and eclectic, and from a Left point of view, quite anti-discriminatory. Boys will be boys :) Of course, it doesn't stop them from believing that WOMEN are the unclean ones, the temptresses, after all we know they would all be sluts if they got a chance.

Mind you, some of those sheep have lovely eyes. And chickens ..... ah, the memories of youth ......

Thanks,

Joe

Loudmouth: And chickens ..... ah, the memories of youth ......

Nah, never liked Chickens. Claws are too sharp just like their beak. Now Ducks on the other hand......

Hi Joe,

I cannot dispute that claim of yours about those Mussy men, and little boys and girls in boats, Unfortunately I was crook as Rookwood from a dodgy curry the day before and couldn't attend in 1935 when such a juicy bit of titillating evidence was presented at the Moseley Commission, but I'm glad you were there holding the fort for us the good folks.

p/s The lovely Pauline is famous for saying "please explain", not much else, so other than that she is irrelevant to the discussion, but I must say she is well known to be extremely sympathetic towards Muslims, does that count?

Hi Paul,

Sorry, Moseley wasn't at Rookwood in 1935, he wax in Perth, handing down his Royal Commission report, which is on my web-site, along with the 1000-page complete transcript of all the evidence presented to the Commission, available on: www.firstsources.info

I'm a big confused: are you suggesting that anybody who ever asks, " Can you please explain ?" is thereby a Hansonite ? That it's sort of fascist to ask for an explanation for anything, especially to ask for evidence to back up somebody's assertion ?

So are you, in a roundabout way, trying to justify why you are claiming to somehow be an anti-fascist ?

Ka te kerero marama, koa :)

Joe

We are at war, and terrorist attacks, are simply guerilla warfare.

The Viet Cong used it to great effect in the Vietnam war.

It is a very effective form of warfare.

The left wing academics and politicians are trying everything they can
to make the public think these are just criminals or unhinged individuals.

But their tactics are guerilla warfare nothing less.
They are in fact territorial attacks, attacking us on our own territory. Hoping
to aid their overseas brothers in arms to bring us down and seize our land and countries.

The question is how to protect our people and countries from this.
The most non violent peaceful way, is to place a temporary ban on Muslim
Immigrants and refugees for a number of years.
It doesn't hurt the Muslim people already here. And as the home grown ones
stage their attacks they will be taken out of society. It is Important now to stop Muslim migration to Western countries.
The only other solution is military rule,that is, we put the whole thing on a war footing and hand the security of the nation over to the military.
As the years goes by and the terror situation grows, maybe spilling over into civil war
we may be forced to put it on a war footing, anyway.

Try the pause on Muslim refugees and immigrants first. It may avoid a future civil war and that would be a good thing.
Trouble is,the law courts are running the country and
they are useless against guerilla war combatants. Often being forced by the justice
system to treat enemy combatants, with civil laws, Civil Laws don't apply to the rules of war.

Hi Cheerful,

Yes, a pause in Muslim immigration, for the duration of the fascist war being waged by Islamist terrorists.

I'm not so sure that it has any similarity to guerilla war though: I suspect it's more a combination of brutal attacks on the one hand, and quiet persuasion by beautifully-dressed, politely-spoken Islamist spokesmen, with beautifully neat beards and very dignified smiles.

In other words, a combination of fascist brutality and tekkiah.

Yes, a pause - just until it's all over. So how long is a piece of string ?

Cheers,

Joe

CHERFUL: The question is how to protect our people and countries from this. The most non violent peaceful way, is to place a temporary ban on Muslim Immigrants and refugees for a number of years.

I'd like to agree with you Cherful but unfortunately the mahommedean population would see that as an attack on Islam & that does mean War.

Anything that is seen by them as stopping the advancement of Islam, by Infidels, is an attack on Allah. The Koran says they are obliged to avenge Allah & avenge they will.

There are some amoungst us who say we should capitulate for the sake of Peace. mahommedeans, Socialist Lefties & the like. If we upset their agenda then it's our fault they'll get violent. Go figure.

In today's Australian (p. 12), a group of very courageous Muslim women in London have called Islamist extremism out, as an example of how genuine feminists can assert themselves.

To cite the article, the women call for recognition of the "link between violence against women and other forms of hate".

"Hateful ideology is a vehicle for toxic masculinity that seeks solace in extreme violence .... Therefore, we must address this appropriately and include women in the debate who may be able to help counter how young men are raised and indoctrinated to hate. .....

"The battle against extremism is a generational struggle and one impacts us all. It would be wise, therefore, to include, empower and support diverse Muslim women in combatting extremism."

[I wonder if there are any women in Australia who have this sort of courage ? Probably, I don't know.]

They call for recognition of "the gendered aspect to extremism where hateful ideology also seeks to oppress women, and where violence against women is often connected to both criminal and subsequent extremist behaviour."

They ask how society "can tackle the cancer of Islamist extremism" without involving women.

The women say the authorities' "failure to tackle restrictive cultural practices" aids radicalisation.

"Female genital mutilation as organised crime against women ..... It desensitises us to violence."

Given the power of the imams and mullahs in England within the Muslim community, these women have taken enormous risks to speak out. If they have the courage to do it, one wonders: does the 'Left' ?

Clearly, only a minority of Muslims use the Koran to justify fascist brutality. So, apart from these wonderful women, who else is willing to speak out against it ? The 'Left' ?

Joe

Joe, there is another group of women in Midlands UK that has formed an
association to oppose cousin marriage. It may be that the women are
starting to come together to make some change.
I don't like their chances as the immans condemned their association
as being unislamic.

There was another report that in the UK there is a 30% leakage away
from Islam. No indication on the details such as whether it was long
term residents or locally born.

Did you see "The Jizadis Next Door " last night on channel 9 ?
You can watch it on the internet today if you missed it.

Bazz

Hi Bazz,

One would surely expect that women would be in the forefront of opposition to Islamist terrorism, Islamic oppression and Islam itself for its rigidly reactionary, patriarchal tenets. In this case, they are shining a beacon for feminists, even here in Australia, if they still exist.

Clearly 'culture' plays a role in oppressing women, pretty much everywhere: culture has always been, after all, the rancid cloak disguising male power. So these Muslim women are revolutionary in so many ways - they are certainly fine examples to follow for those women who have forgotten what 'revolutionary' means.

So do they have 'sisters' here willing to come out and support them ? I fervently hope so.

Joe

Dear Jo

I saw those women denouncing the Islamist attacks.
And good for them showing this courage.

There is a fellow on utube, an editor or journalist with the Spectator in Britain.
called Douglas Murray, He appears on a lot of Q&A and talk shows on Utube.
He is the most brilliant speaker when articulating the Muslim situation in Europe.

He's written a book called "The Strange Death of Europe."
I don't really think the Muslims have any right to protest a pause on Muslim immigration
given the situation, but I realise they have never shown themselves to act
reasonably in confronting situations.

Even if we have to stop the Muslim immigration for 20 or 30years, so what?.
It gives that religion time to moderate.
The IRA was
active for about 30years, (I think). The length of that string may be about the time
it could take.

It's a wee bit chilly in North Queensland tonight.
Love the winter.

Cheerio

Hi Cheerful,

Chilly ?! Try Adelaide, every morning it's about 3, 4 or 5 degrees. So the house struggles to reach ten degrees during the day, then cools again to 6-8 degrees. Gotta get my AC fixed.

Yes, just a slight pause in Muslim immigration, just for the duration until Islamism is totally defeated ideologically; cut back on the intake except for the very highly-skilled personnel that we need. And maybe kick up the refugee intake from non-Muslim groups in the Middle East, such as Yazidis, Mandeans, etc., etc., and the Rohingyas in Burma who are being so persecuted now. Try this:

https://clarionproject.org/christians-forces-fighting-isis-raqqa-ask-us-help/

Will Kurdish women, the bravest people I can imagine, help their benighted sisters here to understand what feminism means ? I hope it happens eventually. Just wonderful women, each keeping their last bullet for themselves. Meanwhile here we fart around about homosexual marriage. 'Christ, get a life', one feels like saying.

Cheers,

Joe