Josephus, are you quoting from the bible there about the roosters and the hens? What came first the chicken or the egg? Sorry to correct you, the hens make the eggs, the hens also make the meat. The roosters, well they live for a day, then they talk a hot bath, in fact a very hot bath, the only one they ever take, and then they make fertilizer! Its all in the (Chicken) Bible.

Paul1405,
I thought all along you could not recognise difference in gender.

Hi Josephus,

A very good point ! Not only is it 'humanist' to ignore similarities between our own species and others, but as you say, it is quite politically-incorrect to ignore gender fluidity in chooks. Says who, that a rooster can't lay eggs ? Says who that a hen can't mount other non-gender-specific chooks ?

Obviously, Nature is discriminatory, denying egg-laying rights to 'roosters' (as some call them), and mounting rights to 'hens'. In fact, 'nature' is so obtuse and alt-right that it denies gender fluidity in chooks at all. And this anti-GF infects humans too - why aren't two so-called 'roosters' allowed to live together ? Hmmmm ? Not only is 'nature' discriminatory but it's anti-gay as well ! Probably anti-LBGQTARI too.

This all must be opposed ! Immediately !

Whaddawe want ? Chook gender fluidity ! When do we want it ? Now !

Expose 'nature' ! 'Down with 'nature' ! 'Nature' is a neo-liberal plot !

Cheers,

Joe

Government does not currently register the intimate relations between roosters and hens, roosters and roosters or hens and hens. Fortunately they also do not (yet?) register which and how many ice-cream scoops we have.

Why are some humans so eager to be discriminated against in a way that makes them worse off than hens and roosters?

Remember, any information Big Brother holds about you - can be used against you!

Homosexuals especially, and any other minority for that matter, should beware, for if one day the direction of the wind changes, having a record about your personal life would make it easier for them to make you disappear into concentration-camps or into thin air.

Josephus,

As you’ve been told many times before, marriage is a social construct, not a biological one. Your arguments against same-sex marriage will continue to be irrelevant for so long as you insist on appealing to reproduction. Homosexuality is not just something which is reducible to an individual’s psyche, either:

http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=the+evolution+of+homosexuality

<< The combinations are not equal and never will be equal. If equality is to be achieved ...>>

Equality is about equal treatment despite differences, it does not require that two variables be identical.

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phanto,

You’ve got yourself into a mighty mess here, so let me help you untangle some of it to get you back on track…

I noted that there are no rational arguments against same-sex marriage. You then attempted to present one based on the premise that homosexuality is illogical.

To justify this claim, you falsely limit sexuality to the act of having sex and then claim that homosexuality is therefore illogical because it cannot produce children. When it is shown to you that there are other logical reasons to engage in sexual activity, you then attempt to write them off as ‘illogical’ simply because they can be attained in other ways.

Now THAT is illogical.

By that logic, most of what we do is illogical because we can usually attain what it is we are seeking via other means.

See what a mess you get yourself into when you engage in ad hoc, motivated reasoning? This is what I meant when I said these discussions never go well for you. You can write that off as “patronising” all you like., but them's the facts.

Conclusions are something which we arrive at, not something we presuppose and then defend at all costs. Opting for the latter has seen you test and abandon more lines of reasoning for an idea than should ever be necessary. You have it arse-backwards, and now you are paying the price for that.

You get yourself so tangled up in your own reasoning that you can no long move without tripping over your own contradictions and inconsistencies.

Josephus, I have done some research into what you have said, and have come up with the following bit of scientific evidence to support your wisdom on the subject

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XaW3VAknPY