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The cult of Che

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Many years ago in South Africa I encountered a group of students protesting the death penalty. Fair enough. I am anti-death penalty myself.

But what caught my eye was the protesting students' attire. They all sported Che Guevarra T-shirts. You've seen them. They're dyed a deep red with an image of Che Guevarra's hirsute, beret topped visage printed on the front.

In real life Che Guevarra was Fidel Castro's chief executioner. He signed thousands of death warrants. "Enemies of the revolution" by the thousand were executed by firing squad in an Havana sports stadium.

It is hard to imagine a less apt symbol for death penalty abolitionists than Che.

I asked the students why Che. It soon became apparent that they knew nothing about the real Che and weren't interested in learning.

Last night on Lateline I saw a segment on Hong Kong.

See:

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2007/s1966408.htm

One of the opposition figures was shown with a "Che banner" in the background.

There are multiple ironies here. But leaving that aside, what is going on here? How did a tawdry South American thug become the symbol for .... well what exactly? Among his admirers what does this murderer actually represent?

Are we seeing the birth of a new religion here? Is this how it happens?

Will this dead, dimwitted Latin American goon become the centre of a new quasi-religious movement
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Saturday, 30 June 2007 3:31:04 PM
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Steven.. the more I read of your thoughtful posts, the more I am thrilled that someone is delving into serious and important issues !

"I asked the students why Che. It soon became apparent that they knew nothing about the real Che and weren't interested in learning"

You would have observed the almost rabid rejection of any criticism of the real "prophet" of a major world religion in these threads and in many web sites.

People will cling to an idealized version of some one to look up to, and once they have made that intellectual decision, it is very difficult for them to confront anything negative about said identity.

It creates serious cognitive dissonance and feelings of threat. They resolve that dissonance by simply denying and rejecting the unpalatable (yet true)

Keep up the great work
Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 30 June 2007 4:36:48 PM
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There is of course a precedent for a tawdry thug becoming the focus of adulation.

What was Muhammed if not a tawdry Arabian thug?
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Saturday, 30 June 2007 4:42:17 PM
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Above all, he (Mohammad) was a human. A man who claimed to have had certain extremely stressful emotional/spiritual experiences, the source of which is open to serious psychological/spiritual question. God knows.
I consider him to be a man who managed to resolve those emotional/psychological crises in such a way that he appears to believe he had something important to offer mankind.
Unforunately, as his power grew, his methods changed. Preaching alone was lamentably innefective. 3 yrs and just a handful of followers. (albeit staunch)
Finally, as his military and political power grew, the dark side of his humanity emerged. Murder, torture, abundance of women, genocide, self serving 'revelations'. Condemnation of opponents, execution of those who mocked him. But he did manage to carve out a workable alliance of Arab tribes, and we have what we see today.

Che Guavara chose a socio/political philosophy which failed to recognize human nature, and used the same methods as Mohammad.. executions, murder of political opponents..military campaigns.. I shudder to think what would befall the world if Che Guavara had ascended to high power. Apart from the spiritual side, there is little difference in Guavara and Mohammad. Guavara lived humbly, worked for the poor, helped the needy.

Its interesting to note, that he also was charactized by a sense of mission to the downtrodden... pity about the "not so downtrodden" he murdered along the way.

I wrote the Pablo Escobar threads (Good guy/bad guy)for the same reason you did this one. (I assume)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 30 June 2007 5:58:52 PM
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In this informercial, over to you Steven.
Posted by saintfletcher, Saturday, 30 June 2007 6:05:40 PM
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for the benefit of those who came in late, che was a revolutionary, and might have called himself a communist. he played a big role in getting rid of a brutal and corrupt regime in cuba. instead of retiring to a life of ease and fat cigars, he left cuba to liberate the countries of south and central america from the usual line up of capitalists and dictators. it got him killed in some nameless jungle.

young people admire heroes, that's why his face is on so many tee shirts.
Posted by DEMOS, Saturday, 30 June 2007 8:39:25 PM
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DEMOS.. unfortunately for us, 'natural' man tends to be todays hero and tomorrows tyrant. I offer you... FIDEL. Che simply didn't have the life span to become another him.

Quevara went to liberate ? hah! The problem is, he did not liberate people from their human natures. How simplistic it is to think that one corrupt and self serving dictatorship will ever be replaced by a "pure and spotless revolutionary council" or whatever name the latest upstart decides to give it.

The problem (wait for it) is SIN. I'll say it again SIN. We are fallen, and without sanctifying Grace from above, we are doomed to repeat the same brutalities, selfishnesses, murders, and cruelties as those we seek to displace.

Sin, is the problem, and the Saviour, Jesus of Nazereth, Messiah and Lord is the solution.

Love divine all loves excelling,
joy of heaven, to earth come down.
Fix in us, thy humble dwelling,
all thy faithful mercies crown.
(Charles Wesley)

WOW..now those are lyrics !

I urge you to seriously consider Jesus, a man attested to us by signs and wonders, who gave Himself on our behalf, taking our sins on himself and who will return in Glory to judge the world.

Che came..and went.... and is not coming again. Yes, his memory lives in the hearts of naive followers, but in the final analysis, he was just one of many revolutionaries.

Judas Maccabeus was an earthly hero, defeating the Seleucids. (but the Romans came)
Jesus Bar-Abbas was an earthly insurgent, freed by Pilate when Jesus was crucified. We only know his name because of Jesus of Nazareth...

-"Blessed are the peacemakers"
-"Blesses are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, they shall be satisfied"

He and the disciples were crossing a lake, a storm came, "be still" he said.
They wondered "Who then is this, that even the wind and waves obey Him"?

Who indeed.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 1 July 2007 7:10:52 AM
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What's with the sermons here?
Posted by StG, Sunday, 1 July 2007 9:43:53 AM
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LOL DEMOS,

How does replacing the brutal Batista regime in Cuba with the even more brutal Castro regime constitute progress?

Is Castro the mass killer a better person than Batista the gangster?

Are the Cubans actually "liberated?"

If they are "liberated" why have so many of them died trying to reach Florida?

Why do so many Cubans flee their "liberator?"

Why does Castro the great "liberator" forbid free elections and opposition political parties?

Che himself seems to have been rather dim witted. Most likely Castro sent him off on a futile mission to "liberate" South America in order to be rid of him. Che was foolish enough to accept the task.

Castro is a killer-dictator and Che was a romantic half-wit. That is the reality. It's clear to anyone who takes the trouble to examine the EVIDENCE.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Sunday, 1 July 2007 11:18:14 AM
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