Foxy,

Does that site explain why some persistently fail and seem to cultivate that lack of success, or even trying, intergenerationally, while many others are the opposite, being successful and happy, with children who are safe in their homes and away from those molesting, longgrassing 'rellies'?

ttbn, "...nothing further need be said"

There is something that does need to be said: after quarter of century of Greens elite serving themselves and leading jolly good lifestyles they have done nothing, zilch for the Useful Idiots who have allowed their social jealousy to make them malleable putty and easily manipulated by the elite who benefit from the Greens.

Hell, and example would be gay leader Bob Brown got everything he wanted personally from the Greens, while doing SFA for the needy and obviously less well off, and the Brown left to enjoy his taxpayer=funded life of luxury with his partner. Brown even gets to dress up and play pirate on the high seas and again without any real commitment and no cost or risk to himself.

It is not as though you see these Greens elite men and women volunteering at soup kitchens or out living with indigenous as (say) their hated Tony Abbot did.

No, what the Greens were quickly aimed at 25 years ago was protest that cynically and unashamedly fosters disempowerment, division and even hatred among those who might otherwise realise the hope and opportunities that are freely available to them and to their children who already should be enjoying very best, world-class education, health and legal protection, but in some cases are not. That is NO fault of the broad Australian community who continue to wish them well and ensure that many millions are available annually from their taxes.

Paul1405,
First do no harm. Wishing self-imposed apartheid upon indigenous as applied after that fool Gough Whitlam, when the black curtain rapidly descended and black bullies, thieves and thugs were allowed to rules communities is a step back, but good protest politics for that Greens elite who couldn't care a *bleep* anyhow, as is demonstrated by their past from.

Some editing problems, oh well.

The essential point being that here again is Paul1405 spreading the message of discontent and misery that can only serve the selfish, egotistical interests of the elite who so obviously benefit personally from the protest party that the previous environmentally concerned party has become.

Talk about reverse evolution. But it is only the 'Useful Idiots' who will be back in the caves. The Greens elite quite like international travel, public servants doing their bidding and being abused for it (SHY), luxury rooftop gardens in plush, hipster 'burbs (Larissa Waters) and those golden handshakes.

To repeat, the Greens supporters should be exhorting that self-serving elite leadership to, "First Do No Harm".

G'day there PAUL1405...

The biggest menace to our indigenous people today, is by far booze 'n drugs. Moreover it's those low bastards who push and provide the illicit drugs and alcohol (especially to the younger members), that represent the greatest peril. Instances where illicit drugs are concerned, often the supplier will provide the first couple of hits gratis, until the poor little buggers find the relief they seek with it's continued use.

The same applies to excessive alcohol consumption, though to a lesser extent. After all the stuff is legal with some restrictive practices and locations, being averred as illegal by government's. The youngsters tend to observe older family members consume so much liquor they become almost paralytic, such is the degree of their inebriation? Again, it gives them some transient relief from the tedium and banality of their seemingly valueless and futile existence.

In both instances, these people are clearly the victims, nevertheless the coppers 'have' to lock 'em up (regrettably). It's the suppliers in both cases that need locking up, for a very long hard time.

leoj,

The site explains a great deal including the importance
of self-determination and why Aboriginal politics fail.
Also there's further references listed on the subject
under the heading of - "Further Resources" to help
access some of the other issues involved. The web has
plenty of sites on the subject. Here is another one just
to get you started:

http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/economy/aboriginal-employment-jobs-careers#axzz4i61FmVpx

"In both instances, these people are clearly the victims"

Is everyone who commits an offence by definition a victim of society?

Is it always someone else's fault?

What criminal doesn't say that? After first denying s/he did it.

What about choice?

We all suffer and some do have more to contend with than others. But I have grown up with many who led very tough and impoverished lives and while like other folk only the few might have excelled as far as the 'successful life' is judged (fame and assets), the greatest majority - with very, very few exceptions - went on to be good upstanding citizens who contributed to society and raised their families to their best ability.

Why, in both cases? What prevents the offender from leading a good life, where s/he has some regard for those around him and demonstrates care and compassion for others?

Dearest Foxy,

That's exactly the point:

"There is certainly still much to be done as far as our First People are concerned. Deaths in custody, youths in prison, suicide rates, rates of disease, and the list goes on."

Yes, indeed, and which of those are not, ultimately, the responsibility of the people themselves to fix up ? Isn't that the gist of Bill Leak's famous cartoon ? Isn't that precisely what self-determination is supposed to mean ?

It's fascinating, and a bit depressing, to notice from the early records in SA, the Protector's Letters, the missionary's journal and mission letters, etc., how some individuals and families got stuck into working to take advantage of the new opportunities; while others, and their descendants down to the present, easily made the transition from foraging to lifelong welfare, with the obligatory detours into boozing and gambling and general skiving, and haven't moved much since.

Once I did a quick genealogy of graduates I knew from one community, and found a great many were descended from the working people of the earliest days, while few of the early skivers had had any graduate descendants (unless they had married workers) - even though they had all more or less lived side by side for 160 years.

Maybe it depends on how people interpret their new opportunities: some to work, and do something for themselves, while others saw the new situations as opportunities to live off the new system. I don't mean that some are good and pure, and others are born lazy, but that people honestly saw opportunities differently. After all, it's no great stretch to move from dirt-scrabble poor to lifelong welfare if it's offered.

In the late nineteenth century in SA, around a hundred Indigenous people, men and women, took up land leases on a peppercorn rent. Most made a go of it. Some quickly tried to sub-lease their grants to whites, sort of share-farming, and make easy money, but that was just as quickly knocked on the head. Guess which working grant-holders now have graduate and working descendants, and guess which not.