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50 Years On, Is There Anything To Celebrate?
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Posted by rhross, Monday, 29 May 2017 1:47:02 PM
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Dear Paul,
The following statistics given in this link speak for themselves: http://www.australianstogether.org.au/stories/detail/the-gap-indigenous-disadvantage-in-australia Or do they? It's probably a "leftie" site and the reasons for the stats are due to personal choice - right? After all if we can succeed then why can't they? Right? Posted by Foxy, Monday, 29 May 2017 1:58:32 PM
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Eternal victimhood and entitlement is a poisoned chalice. Not something I would wish on my children and grandchildren.
But very rewarding where lawyers, academics and public bureaucrats are concerned. What about those NGOs that so often astroturf to protect the $millions they make from government grants? $Windfalls forever. Pity the taxpayer. -A parallel can be drawn with the equal married rights 'initiative' of the Labor Gillard government. As a personal observation from years of outback travel and sometimes into indigenous land with their prior approval, I cannot say that any of the indigenous I happened to share some time, a mug of tea and those damned bush-flies with, would regard their views as being fairly represented by those who showed up at Uluru. Some might agree that Bolt had a point to make on who is indigenous and who isn't. Also, there are the unforeseen negative psychological consequences for indigenous themselves from certified victimhood, or for that matter from having to live up to the 'First' tag and all that goes with it. As for people today remembering and inheriting the pain of the past and more recently of 'stolen generations', much of that is nonsense. Psychological pain retained for years is depression and other conditions. It is not normal or healthy. And there are many well documented cases where people have suffered lives of painful mental confusion and depression, from 'rediscovered' memories, which are likely 100% fabricated anyhow and often led by the 'helper' and other factors. - Consider how memory is reconstructed. Posted by leoj, Monday, 29 May 2017 2:09:15 PM
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BTW,
Still waiting for that mob from the Uluru knees-up and narcissistic talk fest to improve things ONE JOT for indigenous women and children. Honestly, how can that be so hard? And so forgotten? Posted by leoj, Monday, 29 May 2017 2:18:20 PM
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Dearest Foxy,
And Indigenous women commenced university study in 2015 at a slightly higher rate than Non-Indigenous Australian men (4,789: 168,029 = 2.8 %). You won't find that in Reports like the one you cited. I'm very uneasy that there is something obscene about how statistics are used against Indigenous people, a sort of triumphalism that beats people down, with no hope of getting up and moving forwards. So often, the figures seem to be used to proclaim: 'Us whites will always be so all-powerful and you blacks will always be down at the bottom, so depend on us to say yea or nay.' There is never, or hardly ever, any comparison with how the situation might have been a few years ago, to show any improvement on any dimension, such as infant mortality. Maybe many whites like it like that: so they are dead-quiet about university participation, or find ways to cry it down, or slimily suggest that Indigenous students shouldn't be studying mainstream courses, 'white courses', but only 'Black' courses: mainstream students are traitors. Yes, I have heard that. And not just from whites either, but from what even Paul might call the 'elites'. Long way to go, that's for sure. Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 29 May 2017 2:23:40 PM
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@leoj,
You are correct. The concept of inherited inter-generational trauma is handing down to descendants dysfunction and inferior capacity. Here is the fly in the ointment however, if intergenerational trauma were as much of an issue as the Aboriginal industry claims, then we would expect to find it in the majority of human beings since most are descended from those who have suffered, some shockingly. Where is the intergenerational trauma in the descendants of convicts or others who fled persecution, poverty and the horrors of war to become Australians? It doesn't seem to exist as it is said to exist in Indigenous so does that mean that Aboriginal ancestry, no matter how minimal, confers inferior function and less capacity to evolve and survive this world? That sounds awfully racist. Posted by rhross, Monday, 29 May 2017 4:37:54 PM
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Common sense as usual. The goal of the British was to help Aborigines join the modern world. People do the same thing today sending aid to Africa and other parts of the Third World.
If it was racist and wrong for the British to seek to usher Aborigines into a more developed world then why the hell are we spending billions on foreign aid today?
Those evil Europeans wanted Aborigines to have proper homes, education, clothes, jobs, futures for their children ..... how could they?