Dear Rehctub,

I feel so sorry for people like Hassie's son, and others who
don't receive the help they need when they need it. We need to
fix the system that this does not continue to happen to
people in genuine need.

Our family has always had private medical insurance. We've
always believed in it and made sure that we were covered.
We also pay for ambulance subscription.

My father taught me at a very early age
to take care of myself and my
family. That was the way I was brought up. However, I simply
could not walk away from someone needing help. And if I can
I will do what I can to help. And if my paying extra tax
will help another family, then I am happy to do it.

Foxy, youre missing the point. Private health insurance has nothing to do with it, the insurance i have, and all should have, is TPD, which covers you should you become disabled and unable to work.

I have private health insurance as well, for what it's worth, but the NDIS has nothing to do with that, it's there to provide welfare assistance for the disabled.

Now what I want to know is why should i insure myself, then assist others who choose to spend their insurance money on more pleasurable things, and let's face it, who wouldn't!

Society has to get away from the thinking that the tax payer will foot the bill, bec ause like it or not, the days of the free ride are gone.

By all means spend your money where you choose, but don't try to spend mine as well.

Dear rehctub,

Not everybody can afford the insurance you're mentioning.
And what a fair democratic society does is look after its most
vulnerable people. That's the way it's supposed to work.

With all due respect foxy, thats not how its suposed to work. People are suposed to do as much as possible for themselves, then we pick up the slack.

If people chose to buy grog cigs or gamble prior to payimg insurance to securing their future, then that is thier choice, but they should not be able to then come to us and call for help.

I choose to pay $10K per year in insuring myself in case of a debilitaing misfortune, where that could be a great anual holiday instead.and while i think a national mandetory insurance scheme is a great idea, self insured people should be exempt. Thats all im trying to say. Of cause if you have insurance and you choose to contribute to such a scheme as well, then thats your choice but dont force others to.

Dear rehctub,

Most people are doing and copping as best as they can.
However, when life throws you a curb ball, some people
do need help and that is what we do in a civilised
society. We help those who are not able to help
themselves.

I can't understand the thinking of some people that the
poor or disabled are in poverty because they are idle
and prefer to live on "handouts". This view is fervently held,
even by people who do not know any poor people, have never
tried to raise a family on welfare payments, and have not
the vaguest idea what poverty is really like. People who
have no idea how difficult it is taking care of a disabled
person or what it means to be disabled.

I guess its the old belief that everyone has the same
chance to get ahead. If those who get ahead can claim credit
for their success, then those who fall behind must, logically be
blamed for their failures.

Therefore anyone needing help are supposed to manage on their
own, rather than help at the expense of the taxpayer.

There are few complaints however, about how our government
pays out far more in "handouts" to the non poor than the poor
in forms of all sorts of hidden subsidies or tax deductions.
But I guess this fact generally escapes attention
because these benefits are not direct forms of cash payments.

In any case, I'm done arguing with you.

See you on another discussion.

Foxy, i axcept your wanting to end this discussion, however you summed it up perfectly when you said....

"Most people are doing and copping as best as they can.
However, when life throws you a curb ball, some people
do need help and that is what we do in a civilised
society. We help those who are not able to help
themselves."

exactly, not able to help themselves is a far cry from not willing to.

I pay thousands into medicare each year and claim a couple of hundred back. So i'm doing my part.