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Should citizenship be withdrawn when the person offends our diggers
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Posted by Toni Lavis, Thursday, 27 April 2017 7:59:06 PM
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Hi AC,
"'Did you foolishly believe you enjoyed an invisible wall of protection and were immune from physical harm at the point you were shooting off your big mouth' you may come to ask yourself later on; when laying in hospital thinking your future dental appointments over." Yes. Freedom of speech is a right, it is legal. It is not legal to punch someone in the face for it. So, yes, I am that foolish. Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 27 April 2017 11:04:59 PM
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Bloody hell what a lot of precious nonsense.
Ms Abel-Magied did not denigrate anyone, nor vilify anyone nor do a single thing that could be regarded by the non-pompous as dramatically disrespectful. It might have been different if she had placed the blame for the situations in those countries at the feet of our military on a day like ANZAC, but that was not the intent. That is not to say that the treatment of those on Manus and Nauru isn't a national disgrace and the churlish petulance about bringing a relatively small number of Syrian refugees to our shores a near complete repudiation of the spirit of holding out a hand to those in such dire need. Our sense of supporting the underdog for decades had us voting with most of the world in condemning the abuse, the killings and the land theft being inflicted on the Palestinians. Now we have joined the US in backing Israel. These are values which are quickly being eroded in this country. Indeed we used to hold ourselves to a much higher standard and I for one am willing to be reminded of that fact. We were also once big enough to take a comment like hers on the chin and get on with it. The reaction to her words distracted far more from the day than the words themselves. To me a far greater distraction is the ANZAC day footy match which still rankles me. Liz Porter made a good comment nearly 10 years ago; “The commodification of "the Anzac spirit" as an AFL marketing device appears to have begun with the 1995 Essendon-Collingwood clash, after which a commemorative poster of the game was produced, bearing the words "Lest we forget". A solemn pledge was reborn as an advertising slogan.” http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/cry-anzac-and-let-slip-the-metaphors-of-war-20090418-aavc.html A far more appropriate target for angst are these money grubbing marketeers but I acknowledge they have probably won. Three times as many Melbournians attended the match as those who were at the Shrine. But the confected outrage toward this relatively young lass is far more appealing, and childish. Depressing. Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 28 April 2017 12:48:15 AM
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The all knowing, the all seeing LeoW, pray tell my good sir what is ANZAC Day all about, in your humble opinion?
For me, physically I got up early morning, made my way to the local memorial with my partner, and we joined with our grandchildren and their mum and dad, along with a number of others at 6am and participated in a set piece ceremony, which lasted about 45 minutes. Spiritually, I gave thought to all those who had suffered because of war, even Turkish people, German people, Japanese people, etc etc along with many Australians. Its my belief, and I told the grand kids this, that war is people failing, it happens when people cannot understand and respect each other, and if people truly loved each other it would not happen. Leo, I would be interested to know what a Hansonite like yourself would tell a couple of nine and ten year old's what war is. I hope its not hiding out in the "University Regiment" while others go off to do the fighting in places like Vietnam, a common practice then for avoiding conscription of the children of the warmongering elites in the days of that war. Issy, there was no war in Korea, it was a "police action" an entirely different thing! In war people kill each other, in a police action people kill each other, not the same thing. Steele, as usual well said Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 28 April 2017 4:47:53 AM
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Grow up Toni,
When did I say anything about hitting a woman you idiot? You always twist things around and put words in others mouths. I think you're a complete mentalcase, I was referring to when a bloke says it to another bloke. When does a woman say to a bloke 'I did your mum' unless it's on Wentworth? I've taken plenty of crap from women and never punched one in the face; not that I need to explain myself to you. I honestly can't believe how dumb you are, so often chiming in from la la land trying to get your 2 cents up on me but all you ever do is come off is looking like a complete tool. Good on ya, hey. Keep it up, meatheat. If you were born here and had respect for ANZAC Day you wouldn't be arguing on this. No better than her with your niggily crap, why don't you just go back to whatever country you came from? Hey Loudmouth, Well I'm sure there's plenty of people and places in this country where I'd suggest you could test out the theory of your immunity, but I wouldn't advise it. Hey SteeleRedux, "Ms Abel-Magied did not denigrate anyone, nor vilify anyone nor do a single thing that could be regarded by the non-pompous as dramatically disrespectful." No, that's just your opinion, plently of people found it disrespectful, nearly 40,000 on change.org I'm an Aussie, I was born here, my forefathers were on that damn beach and I was offended by what she said. You're not the only person in the country, it's not up to you to decide for others about issues to do with ANZAC Day. My great grandfather paid for my right to have an opinion in advance. I think plenty are sick of Yassmin, trampsing around the place like she owns it promoting Islam and talking down to everyone who disagrees. You might think it was an overreaction but I'd say she got what she deserved for opening her trap about ANZAC Day instead of having respect for it. Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 28 April 2017 5:02:34 AM
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Interesting. I’d have thought that Foxy’s link would have elicited some comments in objection to what was being made quite evident in the article.
It’s hard to deny that there is some level of racism and/or sexism and/or Islamophobia in the response to Yassmin’s Facebook post. As the article points out, Scott McIntyre’s multiple tweets two years ago were far more offensive and inflammatory to this single Facebook post, yet it didn’t draw half the response that Yassmin’s post has. Another white male has done the same thing this year, yet no one seems to care. I did a Google site search of OLO for “Scott McIntyre”, and all I got was this one discussion thread: http://goo.gl/2s5LF8 A mere 20 posts over the space of five days expressing disapproval of Scott McIntyre’s comments. This discussion thread has more-than-doubled that in less than three days. When a brown, Muslim women asks (with very inappropriate timing, granted) that we don't forget people currently suffering in other parts of the world, she's an evil Islamist who needs to be sacked, and/or imprisoned, or deported; when a white, non-Muslim male directly attacks and insults the diggers and what they did, he's just a bit of a buffoon. Posted by AJ Philips, Friday, 28 April 2017 8:02:47 AM
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Wow, really? You'd happily punch a woman just because she speaks her mind? My parents taught me that a man should never, ever hit a woman, regardless of how much of a dick she is being.
Apparently your parents didn't raise you properly.
No wonder domestic violence is a problem in this country when some men still think it is OK to punch women if they get a bit mouthy. Apparently...
//If you do that, you deserve everything coming to you.//
Spoken like a true wife-beater, AC.
//No, not technically, but standing there with your jaw busted up and spitting out teeth and blood saying "e ad no wight" do you think anyone will care?//
A good question. I'd be happy to put it to the test, if you weren't such a gutless wonder that you're only willing to hit girls.
I'd invite you for a blue, or even a duel if you're a bit more old school - I choose the space, you choose the time, can't get much fairer than that. We fight with fists, until submission. We choose our own seconds, but the referee is decided impartially.
But I know you won't accept the challenge, because you're a sad, weak little keyboard warrior who feels really tough and macho when he writes about breaking women's jaws, but will turn tail and cower if there ever comes a possibility of having his own jaw broken.
Soft cock.