Today is Anzac Day, a day that we set aside to honor and remember those who have served our country during times of war. Yet on this most special day a certain Yassnin Abdel-Magied chose to offend us by suggesting that we should direct our thoughts to some people in other countries and to those who chose to try and circumvent our border controls. Her exact comments were:-

LEST WE FORGET. MANUS, NAURU, SYRIA, PALESTINE,

It may be all very well to advocate for others but not on this particular day which is set aside to commemorate those that are, and have, served the country. Ms Abdel-Magied removed part of the comments not of her own volition but only after a flood of complaints from her facebook members.

I share the views of one of her members who posted as follows. "Your previous post has completely discredited you. I am ashamed that you are an Australian because you clearly don't share Australian values. Not only have you disrespected those who gave their lives so you can enjoy Australian freedoms and speak your mind, you have clearly voiced your real agenda here," wrote Libby Colubski.

I can only add that Ms Abel-Magied only deleted the comments when she realized they may affect her politically and that she only apologized and has shown no remorse, or acknowledgement for offending.

Such people do not deserve to be citizens, our values are far higher than hers.

I absolutely agree that this woman should have her citizenship stripped from her and she should be deported forthwith.

This woman is a proponent of Sharia Law and has been called out recently by Senator J. Lambie on this topic. We do not want the evils of Islam introduced into our country and society. It's one thing to allow Islamics to live in Australia, but if they refuse to assimilate, they must be sent back out of this country.

I am also all for banning their schools, bookshops and places of worship, because it has been proven that these are places of indoctrination and radicalisation in the past. And very likely still are!

This religious sect is a religion of hatred, violence and evil. You cannot call yourself one of them and say you don't hold fast to all its tenets.

It is time we took a stance against these muslims such as this woman and kick them out of our country.

We all know that nobody's citizenship will ever be withdrawn by the pussies posing as politicians in this country, but I share the outrage produced by this immature 25 year old's stupidity and disrespect for Australians, Australian institutions and the people who fought so that the likes of her can trash what we hold dear and get away with it.

This is the same idiot (and ABC employee) who complained, on Q&A, about people 'dissing' (whatever that means) Islam, claiming that Islam was 'feminist'. The idiot is also on multicultural panels etc.which she is obviously not mature enough to be on.

In other words, she is paid by Australian taxpayers to rubbish their country for them. And, our cowardly politicians will continue to allow her to do so.

"In other words, she is paid by Australian taxpayers to rubbish their country for them"

and to promote an anti-Australia agenda, to promote Islam and all that it stands for that is abhorrent to decent people.

What was sauce for the goose isn't sauce for the gander.

http://www.pedestrian.tv/news/entertainment/abc-backs-yassmin-abdel-magied-despite-backlash-ov/f000ecbc-b622-4e03-b643-cce71e1eb787.htm

ABC :(

It's probably not legal to cancel someone's citizenship on the grounds of making offensive remarks, or being feeble-minded, even of both at once. And there aren't any grounds at all for cancelling the citizenship of someone who was born here, since, among other problems, that would leave them stateless.

But if someone breaks the law, by, let's say, incitement to violence, and thereby breaching Secs. 8 (c) and (d), then they should cop the penalties imposed by the law.

I used to work at the local Sunday markets, and there was this old bloke who used to shuffle around. It turned out that he joined up on the day that war was declared against the Japanese, and like so many young boys, was given two weeks' training and sent up to Kokoda. He told me of the terrible conditions up there, in desert uniforms, and of desperate hand-to-hand fighting. But nobody deserted, and many of his mates were killed.

Yes, they were indeed heroes - the entire generation were, and we should be forever grateful: they DID put their lives on the line, and so many lost theirs, so that this stupid girl can flap her lips to denigrate them. Let her talk, and show what an idiot she is, and how gutless her supporters are.

Joe

What gets up my nose the most, is that she and her feminist/Islamist ilk, will cause the country to change laws so that if you criticise her as a woman, a feminist or an Islamist, you are guilty of a hate crime and should be sent to prison.

Why are we not sending this snotty young man hating, Australian hating female to prison for treason?
She should be locked up for many years or booted out of this country!

why should we be surprised that the abc employs people with such putried doctrine. This muslim women fits in well with the Australian haters employed by the national broadcasters.

The worst thing is that we actually pay this bit of trash, via the ABC, to spread her sedition.

Not good enough Joe!

We cannot just ignore the offence and let her walk off scot free, smirking behind our backs.

Personally, I would deport her to anywhere outside Our territory and her name never mentioned again ever, but you are right, that will not happen so another penalty has to be imposed.

Can you think of anything? Removal from her various positions and public ridicule maybe the best we can do.

Lest we forget, her offence

I fully understand the outrage from so many who in
other circumstances (eg. Bill Leak) would support
freedom of speech, but in this case are so upset by
the Facebook comments of a misguided public figure.

I found her comments appalling - made on a day that
stops to remember the great sacrifices of our fighting
men and women, and to celebrate our family connections to
wartime heroes. As Ben Roberts-Smith (one of Australia's
most recognised soldiers today) tells us -
"...There's so much more to Anzac Day than any one person or
any one award, it's more about remembering and honouring
everyone's service."

Yasmin was totally wrong in what she did. Her judgement
was amiss. She needs to be advised as Gerard Henderson
speaking on Tuesday night's episode of "The Bolt Report,"
argued - "... that if you're in the
public debate you're expected to be more considered."

However, wrong and inappropriate her comments were - she does
not deserve the extreme punishment that some are suggesting on this
discussion. Pretty much everybody in and out of public life
has said something stupid and inappropriate at some stage in
their life. It is time to get this in perspective and remember
just what it is that our men and women fought for.

Hi Banjo,

The thing is she probably hasn't yet committed any legal offence - moral,yes, but not legal. Well, yes, she has, by offending so many wonderful Australians, now deceased, but I don't see 'offending' as a legal offence.

Freedom of expression, which would be unheard of in Muslim countries, but is legal in Australia, means that any idiot can spout whatever they like, provided it doesn't incite violence. [We should ignore the laws against 'offending or insulting', they're too ridiculous.]

So let this stupid girl have her say, and let's exercise our right to rip her moronic ideas apart. Hopefully, one day when there are feminists in Australia, perhaps in the distant future, they might have the balls to cut people like her to pieces for their lies.

Cheers,

Joe

Dearest Foxy,

I apologise and take back my remark about feminists 'in the distant future' :)

Love,

Joe

My, my, how the tables have turned. I was waiting for something like this after the 18C kerfuffle.

Perhaps we should create an '18C' for anyone who insults those who have fought for our freedoms, or diminishes what they have done?

Too much? The cognitive dissonance levels in here just shot through the roof.

Sorry.

Struth, what a bunch of pathetic whingers yz are! Some of the posters here seem to be advocating the fascism that many of our soldiers died to protect us from!

There's nothing wrong with highlighting the fact that conflict and human rights abuses are still ongoing. Yes, it was rather insensitive to do so on Anzac Day. But she has apologised, and that should be the end of the matter.

This is Australia, where everybody should be entitled to freedom of thought and speech.

But there is a time and a place. It's not wrong to voice an opinion that the treatment of asylum seekers is immoral. But she did it the wrong way, on the wrong day.

The human rights abuses on Nauru are appalling, but the Western Front was worse. I've been, and I've seen the beautifully kept war cemeteries, and I've read the tombstones. All of the inscriptions are heart-wrenching to read, but the worst and most common is 'Known Unto God'. Those were all the poor bastards whose bodies lay so mangled and broken that they couldn't be identified.

A day when we stop to remember those poor souls - one day out of the year, unless you also honour Remembrance Day - is neither the time nor place for pushing your own political barrow. It's just not cricket.

What is there to remember about Palestine, a State that promotes hatred and the annihilation of Jews. What are we to remember about Syria? A sick society that murders innocent children.

Misguided Muslim propaganda.

A "punishment" more in tune with her own beliefs...an old fashioned (just a light one) stoning perhaps for the blasphemous talk demeaning our Glorious dead and on ANZAC Day no less ? Goodness me, cartoons demeaning Allah have resulted in worse.

But of course the Emily's List & PIE Network member support cadre along with the Land Rights for Left Handed Harp Seals crew, via their ABC mouth piece would cry foul if anyone dare challenge their agendas.

So it's more of the same from the creatures in number 700 Harris Street, Ultimo - "We set the bar for what is OK and what is not on any form of media, and you taxpayer fools dare question us ?"

Stay tuned to this channel for the "anti muslim" rants being levelled against anyone who even suggests her comment/post was anything but what it was.

I guarantee if an Australian said something as offensive about anything Islamic they would have been fired immediately by the ABC.

The ABC costs Australian taxpayers approx $1 Billion dollars a year and are unaccountable, time to end the bias and make them accountable.

This woman can not be punished in anyway, she has done no more than
used the right of free speach we gave her on naturalisation.
I would ask her to consider what her fellow moslems would have done
if we insulted or dealt with Mohammed & co in a similar manner.
It would have been demonstrations perhaps world wide and murders.

Think about that Yassmin.

Now one thing that does arise is that anyone advocating Sharia law
may well be committing the offence of sedition, which means advocating
overturning the law by force.
Islam does advocate just that !

To all the supporters of this woman.

She is a feminist. Feminists in Australia have fought against freedom of speech for 5 decades. The only speech that is allowed is anything that is positive toward women and negative toward men.

Look at what these people are doing in some states where others are trying to show a movie called The Red Pill. This movie is a documentary movie about the Men's Rights Movement and it was done by a feminist female who then after taking this journey, no longer calls herself a feminist.

Feminism is an ideology of hatred and has no place in this world. Feminism is Cancer.

Secondly. This woman is living here in Australia as a privilege not as a right.

She belongs to the most hateful and fanatical religious ideology known to Mankind, which has been the arch enemy of all forms of Western Culture or democracy throughout the world for the past 1.5 thousand years.

Also, if this woman said anything like this in a Muslim country, she would have been dragged out into the street and executed. Here in Australia we tolerate too much. I do not advocate punishment such as this, but she should at the very least be sacked.

If any man had said what she said, he would have been sacked immediately and probably charged with a hate crime.

This muslim feminist deliberately used ANZAC Day to insult the Australian people. Nothing was by accident. Her fake apology was also an insult.

If you cannot see just how she did this deliberately and how radicalised she truly is, then you are a bunch of gullible fools. But then, most who come here to support her are more than likely to be far left SJWs who are just as bad as what she is.

There is no such thing as freedom of speech anywhere on the planet. All speech has consequences and all countries have standards. If you choose to abuse that country, you should be arrested and imprisoned or kicked out immediately!

Perhaps the only punishment that she should be given, if anything (apart from public derision) in our humane society, is to be 'stoned' very lightly, with very small pieces of gravel, or rolled-up cigarette papers. You know - 'symbolic' treatment ? What, we don't do even that ? What's the matter with our values !?

Let idiots speak. Not only does it show up what an individual thinks, but who rushes to their support AND who doesn't speak up to criticise them. By their mouths shall ye know them, and what ye is up against.

As the old joke goes, better for an idiot to stay silent and let people suspect that she is a fool (or be thought of as the strong, silent and wise type if they are Indigenous) than to open her mouth and prove it. And better for us if she opens it.

Joe

Yasnin Abdel Magied was sent on a speaking tour of the Middle
East and N. Africa. This was funded by the Department of
Foreign Affairs and Trade.

Just to maintain balance, how about the government funding
a speaking tour of Australia for Ayaan Hirsi Ali?

Just a thought.

Hi Foxy,

Yes, that would be money better spent. We need 'balance'.

Love,

Joe

Dear Joe,

Finding balance is ongoing. A way of living.
It is a process. A lifetime project.

The poor girl didn't know that what she said might be considered offensive and she has apologized.

One wonders how anyone with such a lack of awareness and good manners ever managed to graduate from whatever school of journalism in which she studied.

Perhaps it was an Islamic Ladies College.

If any individual (infidel I believe they call them) is critical of their Sharia law
(and they define the degree of guilt after the offense)it is either off with the head or a hand.
Therefore if this woman, who is nothing more than publicity seeker.
abuses our Australian iconic symbolism then, well we don't have the death penalty,
just deport her back to the jungles where she came from and see how she like that.
The ABC has a lot to answer for in this after all they are paying her for content. I'm sure that if
Allen Jones or the 'Shock Jock' made the statement they'd be out the door quick smart.

I believe she knew exactly what she was doing, this is based on the fact that she "Ms Abdel-Magied has served as a member of the Australian Multicultural Council, Federal ANZAC Centenary Commemoration Youth Working Group and the 2014 Youth G20 Summit"

So she would have been well away of the significance to Australians.

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2017/04/anzac-insult-muslim-abdel-magied-was-on-the-govts-anzac-centenary-working-group-.html

We have a degree of freedom of speech here but how loud would her cries be if someone at the ABC started doing the same about Muslims, Islam or the pedo Mohamed (12 YO wife ).

Hey Philip S,
You missed a few of her achievements.
She was Young Queenslander of the year twice, 2010 and 2015 and a finalist for Young Australian of the Year in 2015.

These are the people we champion, the so called best of us, the best Aussies.
I hope this demonstrates to everyone just how seriously messed up our country is because of the leftist BS, that all the bigwigs are pushing.

The question must seriously be asked how does someone get all these awards taking the place of 'Born n Bred' AUSSIES when all they do is push globalist leftist bs.

The Australia that we know and love is being slowly and deliberately dismantled. If the way this girl has had every single door opened to her so she can push her agendas against our country when real young Aussies cant even get jobs; if this doesn't wake the people up to how screwed up this country is becoming then nothing will.

I think she ruined Anzac Day.
They cant even let us have that.

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"The question must seriously be asked how does someone get all these awards taking the place of 'Born n Bred' AUSSIES"

Simple answer our so called leaders etc are so afraid that if they do pick Australians born here for awards etc there will be an outcry from the minorities that they are being racist.

The whole PC agenda with regard to racism will be our demise unless someone gets into power with some guts.

Ironical isn’t it? ANZAC day is supposed to be in honour of the memory of those who fought and died for King, country and freedom, and they fought Muslims — you know, Ragheads, Sandhoppers, camel jockeys — people who couldn’t fight, people without courage, and yet although the British/Australian/ New Zealand troops were backed by far heavier weapons than the Turks had available to them, the Muslims won.

But I digress, Yassmin Abdel-Magied in the spirit of ANZAC spirit, celebrating the cause of freedom reminded Australians that the that they enjoyed had not been extended to others, that indeed Australia was in breach of international law in indefinitely incarcerating refugees offshore.

The result has been a torrent of abuse, of how she has insulted ANZAC’s those intrepid souls who fought and died so that Australians could be free!

I think it is the abusers who misunderstand the significance of the Anzac’s sacrifice. The abusers who fail to understand that to be free, all people, everywhere must be free.

Too me this is proof the whole system we are controlled under (legal - political) is biased against Australians.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/35171584/teenager-avoids-jail-for-sex-attacks-due-to-cultural-differences/#page1

Teenager avoids jail for sex attacks due to 'cultural differences'

The court heard the teenager, who cannot be named, pleaded guilty to assaulting eight women and girls on a Surfers Paradise beach in January 2016.

The judge accepted that seeing girls in bikinis is different to the environment in which he grew up.

The teen, who lives in Victoria, is now on two years probation with no conviction.

I remember there was another case similar to this few years ago the excuse used was cultural differences got a slap on the wrist.

If culture of people can potentially use excuses like this they should NEVER have been let into the country in the first place.

//One wonders how anyone with such a lack of awareness and good manners ever managed to graduate from whatever school of journalism in which she studied.

Perhaps it was an Islamic Ladies College.//

She holds a degree in mechanical engineering (university of queensland), not a degree in journalism.

She went to the Islamic College of Brisbane for primary school, and John Paul College for high school. You might assume from the name that John Paul College is Catholic, but it's just generally Christian.

So maybe it was the Christians that are to blame.

Oh! The indignation of the rabid right, including those on the forum. The shock horror of it all. The ire of the likes of Pauline Hanson and Alan Jones has been raised against Yassmin Abdel-Magied, demanding her immediate sacking from the ABC for un-Australian activity, posting on 'Facebook' with insensitive comment. Was Yassmin correct in what she said? The truth is that in any war, non combatants become just as much victims of that war as do those fighting it. She obviously feels strongly about the plight of asylum seekers and refugees, and she has every right. She also has the right to express her opinion on how best ANZAC Day can be "celebrated", not that there is anything to celebrate. As a pacifists I treat ANZAC Day as a day of remembrance for all the victims of all the bloody stupid wars ever fought.
There are those who seek to glorify war as some kind of noble and heroic endeavor of man fought only for good against evil, that is what all sides believe, nothing could be further from the truth. Malcolm Fraser described war as the result of failed diplomacy, and that is what it is, with terrible consequences for all, nothing more, nothing less.

sacking this aussie hater would simply make a martyr out of her. The lefties have a habit of worshiping people who have abhorrent views and victim mentalities. Darwin himself was a racist bigot but the Christophobes think his pseudo science helps their cause so they worship and honor him despite his irrational nonsense.

General Comment,
These journalists get it and so would the rest of Australia,
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVTP6pBnJW4&feature=youtu.be

Paul1405,
That foot in your mouth doesn't prevent you from demonstrating your leftist ignorance of what ANZAC Day is all about.

The real Left would be turning in their graves with revulsion and anger at the crass attention-seeking, palpable ignorance and utter stupidity of the 'Progressive' (Regressive) leftists.

http://youtube/QVTP6pBnJW4

and this, good on her,

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/real-housewives-of-sydneys-lisa-oldfield-rips-into-yassmin-abdelmagied-over-anzac-post/news-story/5e29b92ffc1735e2e5d2410fb2377eab

On reflection, I think that Yassmin should be praised for drawing attention to some little-known aspects of our military history, as a brilliant letter in today's paper explains.

MANUS: the Australians liberated Manus Island from the Japs in early 1944, liberating many people used as slave labour.

NAURU: when the Japanese surrendered in September 1945, Austtralian forces were ableto liberate around 700 Nauruans who had been used as slve labour by the Japs.

SYRIA: (1) In WWII, Australian light-horsemen helped to liberate Damascus - bugger it, no, they liberated it on their own - from the Ottoman yoke, and allowed the Arab people a breathing space after five hundred years of semi-serfdom.

(2) In WWII, Australian troops helped to liberate Syria from the Vichy French and prevent it being used as a bridgehead for Nazi Germany to invade Egypt, which would have isolated Australia from its main fighting forces in Libya and Egypt (remember the 'Rats of Tobruk ?' Ask your grandfather).

PALESTINE: Australian troops also liberated Palestine from the Ottoman yoke.

So yes, Yassmin is right: we should remember those Australians who lay down their lives to liberate Manus Island, Nauru, Syria and Palestine from imperialist and fascist aggression.

Paul1405 - Your argument for this woman does not pass the credibility test.

If she cares for all you say being supposedly highly educated she would show indignation with other situations involving innocent victims.

So can you show us her comments about the mongrel who drove the car into a crowd in Melbourne, the police employee being stabbed in Sydney and a plethora of other such actions in Australia and around the world.

Paul,

The Korean War was the result of naked aggression on the part of North Korea, there was no diplomacy to fail.

Just as North Korea is declaring it will do again.

Google Earth shows graphically the present real state of that nation.

At present Nth Korea is in no position to attack anyone.
They are very short of fuel. They have enough jet fuel for a one day war.

It has to be all bluff at present.
It appears that China is starving them of oil and refinery products.
The question that worries everyone is do they have a rocket mounted bomb ?

A lot of you people need to comprehend the 'I did your mum' clause.
The 'I did your mum' clause states that 'You CAN exercise your right to free speech' but be aware that the other person can also 'exercise their right to break your jaw'.

Those who say that Yassmin was simply execising her right to free speech are scum.
You do not have the right to hijack 'Lest We Forgot' for your own political activism purposes on ANZAC day.

If you do that, you deserve everything coming to you.

I'm glad Australia has stood up and put her in her place.
She's had it coming for a while and its excellent to see she did it to herself.
I don't like taking pleasure in other peoples failures but I think this is gold. I just can't wait to see what else she'll do now to implode.

When it comes to ANZAC Day, people not born here and who cannot show respect should just keep their bloody mouths shut.

Despite what was posted by her, (and subsequent apology/re-post) it is I believe, the "double standards" being exhibited by the ABC which is the bigger picture issue. As AJ Philips commented: "...cognitive dissonance..." Well all I can hear from the ABC is the deafening silence.

Cultural difference, cultural sensitivities...Australians this, Australians that and force fed drivel in the form of integration, 'Harmony Days' & so called respect for others views and practices...yaddah yaddah.

But it is all one way - in the favour of the multicultural industry and its myriad parasites sucking the taxpayers teat. So when is the electorate going to wake up and write/email/telephone their local/state/federal member and exercise their constitutional right and express "their will"...?

Public opinion becoming policy based upon a few noisy yobbos in cities does not make democracy and the current crop of pollies know this, which is why Hanson's "citizenship test" has been initiated by PM Turnbull. All of them running scared at losing just one 'Land Rights for Left Handed Harps Seals' vote.

In Quadrant Online this morning there is an editor's note about a 2008 ABC interview with Yassmin Abdel Magied's mother, who related going with the then little Yassmin and an adult friend to a bank, where Yassmin was "shouting and screaming”, and the friend say: “How about pretending she's not yours. You're not the mother of this horrible child”.

It seems that Yassmin, as a young adult, hasn't changed much.

ttbn, why do you think she hasn't changed much?
She's not the one shouting and screaming now!

AC,

"The 'I did your mum' clause states that 'You CAN exercise your right to free speech' but be aware that the other person can also 'exercise their right to break your jaw'."

Well, no, that would be assault and earn you some jail time. There is no 'right to break someone's jaw'.

Yes, that silly girl is entitled, like anyone else, to express herself - and show everybody what an idiot she is. Let idiots speak, I say.

Joe

Dear Joe,

Here's a link that puts another slant on things.
It's worth a read if only to try to broaden this
discussion:

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/opinion/hysteria-over-yassmin-abdelmagieds-anzac-day-post-cannot-be-separated-from-racism-20170427-gvtjdj.html

Hey Loudmouth,
"Well, no, that would be assault and earn you some jail time. There is no 'right to break someone's jaw'."

No, not technically, but standing there with your jaw busted up and spitting out teeth and blood saying "e ad no wight" do you think anyone will care? Granted they might think it was a bit harsh but I guarantee everyone will quietly be thinking to themselves that you shouldn't have opened your big mouth.

'Did you foolishly believe you enjoyed an invisible wall of protection and were immune from physical harm at the point you were shooting off your big mouth' you may come to ask yourself later on; when laying in hospital thinking your future dental appointments over.

I'm not defending a 'right' to break anyone jaw by the way; I'm just trying to illustrate the idea that you CAN say whatever you want, but you RISK repercussions if you choose cross a line.
Yassmin crossed a line and learnt a harsh lesson.
Don't mess with ANZAC's on ANZAC Day.

And I'd defend her right to free speech on any other topic on any other day, just so you know.
Even though I'm well aware that she's used to deliberately push a global agenda I completely disagree with.

//The 'I did your mum' clause states that 'You CAN exercise your right to free speech' but be aware that the other person can also 'exercise their right to break your jaw'.//

Wow, really? You'd happily punch a woman just because she speaks her mind? My parents taught me that a man should never, ever hit a woman, regardless of how much of a dick she is being.

Apparently your parents didn't raise you properly.

No wonder domestic violence is a problem in this country when some men still think it is OK to punch women if they get a bit mouthy. Apparently...

//If you do that, you deserve everything coming to you.//

Spoken like a true wife-beater, AC.

//No, not technically, but standing there with your jaw busted up and spitting out teeth and blood saying "e ad no wight" do you think anyone will care?//

A good question. I'd be happy to put it to the test, if you weren't such a gutless wonder that you're only willing to hit girls.

I'd invite you for a blue, or even a duel if you're a bit more old school - I choose the space, you choose the time, can't get much fairer than that. We fight with fists, until submission. We choose our own seconds, but the referee is decided impartially.

But I know you won't accept the challenge, because you're a sad, weak little keyboard warrior who feels really tough and macho when he writes about breaking women's jaws, but will turn tail and cower if there ever comes a possibility of having his own jaw broken.

Soft cock.

Hi AC,

"'Did you foolishly believe you enjoyed an invisible wall of protection and were immune from physical harm at the point you were shooting off your big mouth' you may come to ask yourself later on; when laying in hospital thinking your future dental appointments over."

Yes. Freedom of speech is a right, it is legal. It is not legal to punch someone in the face for it. So, yes, I am that foolish.

Joe

Bloody hell what a lot of precious nonsense.

Ms Abel-Magied did not denigrate anyone, nor vilify anyone nor do a single thing that could be regarded by the non-pompous as dramatically disrespectful.

It might have been different if she had placed the blame for the situations in those countries at the feet of our military on a day like ANZAC, but that was not the intent.

That is not to say that the treatment of those on Manus and Nauru isn't a national disgrace and the churlish petulance about bringing a relatively small number of Syrian refugees to our shores a near complete repudiation of the spirit of holding out a hand to those in such dire need.

Our sense of supporting the underdog for decades had us voting with most of the world in condemning the abuse, the killings and the land theft being inflicted on the Palestinians. Now we have joined the US in backing Israel.

These are values which are quickly being eroded in this country.

Indeed we used to hold ourselves to a much higher standard and I for one am willing to be reminded of that fact. We were also once big enough to take a comment like hers on the chin and get on with it. The reaction to her words distracted far more from the day than the words themselves.

To me a far greater distraction is the ANZAC day footy match which still rankles me. Liz Porter made a good comment nearly 10 years ago;

“The commodification of "the Anzac spirit" as an AFL marketing device appears to have begun with the 1995 Essendon-Collingwood clash, after which a commemorative poster of the game was produced, bearing the words "Lest we forget". A solemn pledge was reborn as an advertising slogan.”
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/cry-anzac-and-let-slip-the-metaphors-of-war-20090418-aavc.html

A far more appropriate target for angst are these money grubbing marketeers but I acknowledge they have probably won. Three times as many Melbournians attended the match as those who were at the Shrine.

But the confected outrage toward this relatively young lass is far more appealing, and childish.

Depressing.

The all knowing, the all seeing LeoW, pray tell my good sir what is ANZAC Day all about, in your humble opinion?
For me, physically I got up early morning, made my way to the local memorial with my partner, and we joined with our grandchildren and their mum and dad, along with a number of others at 6am and participated in a set piece ceremony, which lasted about 45 minutes. Spiritually, I gave thought to all those who had suffered because of war, even Turkish people, German people, Japanese people, etc etc along with many Australians. Its my belief, and I told the grand kids this, that war is people failing, it happens when people cannot understand and respect each other, and if people truly loved each other it would not happen.
Leo, I would be interested to know what a Hansonite like yourself would tell a couple of nine and ten year old's what war is. I hope its not hiding out in the "University Regiment" while others go off to do the fighting in places like Vietnam, a common practice then for avoiding conscription of the children of the warmongering elites in the days of that war.

Issy, there was no war in Korea, it was a "police action" an entirely different thing! In war people kill each other, in a police action people kill each other, not the same thing.

Steele, as usual well said

Grow up Toni,
When did I say anything about hitting a woman you idiot?
You always twist things around and put words in others mouths.
I think you're a complete mentalcase, I was referring to when a bloke says it to another bloke.
When does a woman say to a bloke 'I did your mum' unless it's on Wentworth?
I've taken plenty of crap from women and never punched one in the face; not that I need to explain myself to you.
I honestly can't believe how dumb you are, so often chiming in from la la land trying to get your 2 cents up on me but all you ever do is come off is looking like a complete tool.
Good on ya, hey.
Keep it up, meatheat.

If you were born here and had respect for ANZAC Day you wouldn't be arguing on this.
No better than her with your niggily crap, why don't you just go back to whatever country you came from?

Hey Loudmouth,
Well I'm sure there's plenty of people and places in this country where I'd suggest you could test out the theory of your immunity, but I wouldn't advise it.

Hey SteeleRedux,
"Ms Abel-Magied did not denigrate anyone, nor vilify anyone nor do a single thing that could be regarded by the non-pompous as dramatically disrespectful."
No, that's just your opinion, plently of people found it disrespectful, nearly 40,000 on change.org

I'm an Aussie, I was born here, my forefathers were on that damn beach and I was offended by what she said.
You're not the only person in the country, it's not up to you to decide for others about issues to do with ANZAC Day.
My great grandfather paid for my right to have an opinion in advance.

I think plenty are sick of Yassmin, trampsing around the place like she owns it promoting Islam and talking down to everyone who disagrees. You might think it was an overreaction but I'd say she got what she deserved for opening her trap about ANZAC Day instead of having respect for it.

Interesting. I’d have thought that Foxy’s link would have elicited some comments in objection to what was being made quite evident in the article.

It’s hard to deny that there is some level of racism and/or sexism and/or Islamophobia in the response to Yassmin’s Facebook post. As the article points out, Scott McIntyre’s multiple tweets two years ago were far more offensive and inflammatory to this single Facebook post, yet it didn’t draw half the response that Yassmin’s post has. Another white male has done the same thing this year, yet no one seems to care.

I did a Google site search of OLO for “Scott McIntyre”, and all I got was this one discussion thread:

http://goo.gl/2s5LF8

A mere 20 posts over the space of five days expressing disapproval of Scott McIntyre’s comments. This discussion thread has more-than-doubled that in less than three days.

When a brown, Muslim women asks (with very inappropriate timing, granted) that we don't forget people currently suffering in other parts of the world, she's an evil Islamist who needs to be sacked, and/or imprisoned, or deported; when a white, non-Muslim male directly attacks and insults the diggers and what they did, he's just a bit of a buffoon.

Paul,

"Issy, there was no war in Korea, it was a "police action" an entirely different thing! In war people kill each other, in a police action people kill each other, not the same thing."

It'll do me for a war!

'White Christians have no compassion' says Muslim businessman in support of besieged ABC presenter

Muslim halal businessman Mohamed Elmouelhy has come to the defence of ABC presenter Yassmin Abdel-Magied, writing he is outraged at how much Australians show compassion for their dead but lack it for others.

"Yassmin Abdel-Magied should be given a medal," he said on Facebook.

Ms Abdel-Magied's controversial Anzac Day Facebook statement, which she has since apologised for, said: "Lest . We. Forget. (Manus, Nauru, Syria, Palestine...)."

Mohamed Elmouelhy has come to the defence of the Muslim youth activist after the internet unleashed on the presenter.

Mr Elmouelhy, the president of the Halal Certification Authority company, said Ms Abdel-Magied's Anzac Day Facebook post highlighted how Australian Christians didn't care about the deaths of people from other faiths.

"Have the white Australians sank so low that they can only feel compassion for their dead but not the dead of others?" he asked.

"So much for wishing for your neighbour what you wish for yourself."

Several petitions are currently doing the rounds to have Ms Abdel-Magied, who hosts ABC's Australia Wide program, sacked.

"It is a sad day when a Muslim woman reminds Christians of their religion," Mr Elmouelhy said.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/35195211/abc-presenter-yassmin-abdel-magied-deserves-a-medal-says-mohamed-elmouelhy/#page1

I wonder how much compassion he has for others as he runs the Halal scam.

I do not accept her apology for one second, she claimed "it was brought to my attention". That is rubbish, she knew she was offending millions of Australians. She has been here for about 24 Anzac days and has read and seen the marches and ceremonies on TV all that time. Part of her education was at a Christian school and she was on the Anzac centennial committee. She knew she was offending all right.

What she under estimated was the extent of objections, to the extent that she is now in hiding. She has broken no law but has shown just how stupid and immature she is. Her real agenda is to promote Islam and calve out a political career for herself.

The best we can get out of this is that less invitations will come her way and less doors will open for her, If I had my way the doors would be firmly and permanently shut. If she is now a liability, do not be surprised if the PM quietly abandons her. His credibility is similar to hers.

Of course the ABC will be obliged to thumb its nose at those millions of Australian public who are (to the ABC's way of thinking) always too bovine to know what is 'Progressive' and good for them.

So confidently expect 'Their ABC' to buff her up.

To think of the many thousands of intelligent, civic-minded, polite and respectful young Australian workers the ABC doesn't have on. Not 'Their ABC' either, or perhaps they are too busy learning, working and supporting themselves and paying taxes.

Hey Philip S,
If any one of us was in as Islamic country and we criticised Islam we'd be getting put to death.
But something sacred to us as ANZAC Day and they are free to use the freedoms ANZAC's fought for to attack us and drag down the integrity of our day and our nation.

Then to top it off we've got someone who is alleged to fund terrorist organisations supporting the people bringing ANZAC Day into disrepute, a guy who frequently sues people who criticise being forced to eat Allah Ackbar meat.
A person who denigrates our true Aussie heroes, and rubs it in our faces about his Islamification of Australia.
And to top it off, he says if we don't like the Islamification of Australia that we should leave, like they've already conquered the place, but we just haven't recieved the memo yet.

http://www.pickeringpost.com/story/the-deceptive-world-of-mr-el-mouelhy/4604
http://pickeringpost.com/story/the-terror-tax-/4608
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-07/halal-certifier-sues-anti-halal-campaigner-for-defamation/8248178
http://hotcopper.com.au/threads/mohamed-halal-elmouelhy.2789303/

This country is fast becoming a complete sh*thole that is beyond saving.
Every man woman and child for themselves.
Then the leftie space cadets wonder people aren't as respectable or compassionate to others like they used to be.
Should've taken the cotton out of your damn ears before you decided for the rest of us to ruin the nation.
There was a point when we cared but you didn't listen.

I just hope the fools that supported this Islamic multiculturalism are the ones that get gangraped or beheaded first.
Shame it's always the innocent ones who end up suffering instead though.

I've come across a poem that the author, Ian Evans
wrote in memory of his grandmother's pain that I
think many might appreciate. He entered it into a
poetry competition on ANZAC poetry and won first place:

"The bike it squeaked through West Perth streets
Bearing news unwelcome, feared, unsought
They knew the sound, hear oft repeat
And silence fell. Of death, the message brought

"Don't stop", they prayed, least don't stop here
Please not MY son's name. Keep riding dear

Prams stopped, blinds pulled, held breath
Whose turn now, that brown sealed gram?
Whose time for sadness, long, all depth?
Whose name inscribed? Whose son to damn?

"Don't stop", they prayed, least don't stop here
Please not my son's name. Keep riding dear

But stop it did, he at her door
Reluctant, swung, to greet the rider
A shaking hand; a death it bore
Time stopped, dark fell, joy bled inside her

"Don't stop", she'd prayed before, least don't stop here
Not my son's name, his life so dear
But stop it had. The name T was him

It drained her life, her blood, her breath
The ground neath swayed; the world fell dim
It can't be true! Her boy. His death

"Don't stop", she'd prayed, to no avail
Like prayers, his life, hers, all to fail
"Don't stop", she'd pray
For years she'd bear
In dreams repeat
that bike
please ride past dear".

Armchair Critic correct with one major correction,
"If any one of us was in as Islamic country and we criticised Islam we'd be getting put to death."

You don't even have to be in an Islamic country for this to happen, think the author of the satanic versus, charle hebdo, Gert Wilde permanent police protection there have been many instances of people killed in countries for supposedly offending Muslims.

The comments by Mr Halal, just a joker.

Banjo Quote "do not be surprised if the PM quietly abandons her."
I think he will do absolutely nothing hoping the stink from her comments do not stick to him.

Go down the page 2nd pic you will see him seated next to her at a dinner.
http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2017/04/abc-islamic-violence-investigation-ignores-senior-imam-sheik-shadys-sermons-quotes-waleed-alys-wife-.html

//When did I say anything about hitting a woman you idiot?//

Right here, cock-sucker:

//'You CAN exercise your right to free speech' but be aware that the other person can also 'exercise their right to break your jaw'.//

You can attempt as much as disingenuous squirming as you want to pretend that that wasn't really want you meant, but we weren't all born yesterday. You know what you meant, and so do we, as much as you'd like to try and pretend otherwise now that you've been called out for being a deadbeat.

//why don't you just go back to whatever country you came from?//

Because it's a logical impossibility. I was born here, so if I'm already here how can I go 'back' here?

You don't make much sense, AC. Maybe if you tried using your brain for thinking....

Hi AC,

I think we've established pretty well that nobody has the right to break your jaw, just because of what you say.

Sure, some people may be physically able to do so, but given that might doesn't make right in a civilized society, they don't have a legal right to do so, and could be found guilty of a serious offense if they did that.

Some people may feel like breaking your jaw, AC, merely on sight, but if they unfortunately don't actually do it, then they haven't committed an offence. But rest assured, if you do provoke someone to break your jaw, or a group to give you a real good kicking for some insulting remarks about their mothers or sisters, that, when you recover, you can resort to the law, which declares such actions to be illegal, although a judge may exercise clemency. Feel free to make the same remark to the same people as soon as you are able. Let us know beforehand, we'll buy tickets.

Cheers,

Joe

Loudmouth - Quote "Some people may feel like breaking your jaw, AC, merely on sight, but if they unfortunately don't actually do it, then they haven't committed an offence."

I don't know where you are living but in Australia the threat to break someones jaw is enough to land you in court it does not matter that you don't intend to do it the words are enough.

Crunch time?

Toni,
Everyone can see what I wrote, you even quoted me, so grow up and stop acting like a little child.

You all need to realize that everybody has the right to do anything they want,
its just that they then have to suffer the consequences of their actions.
This woman should keep her mouth shut before someone exercises their
right and shuts it for her, but then they have to cop the consequences of their actions.
Catch 22

Like most Aussies I was raised to respect our diggers that fought for us and am proud to honour their bravery and the hardships they endured.

However because the offensive comments on Anzac day were made by a woman it reminded me of the massacre of 22 Australian nurses on Bangka island during WW11.

In brief, a hospital ship, clearly marked with a red cross, left Singapore shortly before it fell to the Japanese. It was loaded with wounded and women and children. It was bombed and sunk. The survivors managed to make it to Bangka Island and contacted the Japanese army. The nurses were caring for the injured on the beach as best they could.

The Japanese separated the men from the women and shot and bayonetted the men. they then set up a machine gun on the beach and ordered the women into the water until about waist deep. They then machine gunned them. They then bayonetted the remaining injured on the beach. One nurse survived and although wounded she spent the next 3 years in a prison camp.

With the offensive comments made by a woman, I cannot help but think about these brave and caring nurses that died so tradgicly.

The full story is easy to find, just google nurses massacred by Japanese.

Hey Joe,
"I think we've established pretty well that nobody has the right to break your jaw, just because of what you say."
No, not legally I accept I shouldn't have called it a 'right' in the way I did, but I'm talking realistically.
Do you think you could walk into a bikie clubhouse and say "I heard you blokes are all homosexuals"
What about walking down a Muslim Street on a loudspeaker saying "Mohammad would be locked up for pedophilia if he we alive today"

All legal; but do you really think you're immune from harm or won't be harmed?
Just because one believes another has 'no right' to do something doesn't mean they can assume they are immune from harm.

If you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.
You might for example foolishly assume that you have some 'right of immunity' that allows you to get in another mans face and scream at them (a yeller) without getting retribution, but I'm telling you there's many blokes out there in the real world that wont put up with that for long. Milliseconds.

You even acknowledged my point: "if you do provoke someone to break your jaw, or a group to give you a real good kicking for some insulting remarks about their mothers or sisters..."

It's more or less what I first said - The 'I did your mum' clause states that 'You CAN exercise your right to free speech' but be aware that the other person can also 'exercise their right to break your jaw' and in your example that would be mine.

Some argue Yassmin had the right of free speech, I say she does not have that right if that includes denigrating 'Lest We Forget' on ANZAC Day, and if she thinks she enjoys the right to express herself that way then she deserves everything she gets, end of story.

Furthermore, I'd bet money that right now she's angry and trying to find a way to to twist it around and blame us, because that's her style.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4240714/Q-Muslim-Yassmin-Abdel-Magied-Islamic-Hizb-ut-tahrir.html
Anything else; I don't really care.

//but do you really think you're immune from harm//

I guess you feel pretty safe from harm, sat in front of your computer with your anonymity to hide behind. It appears you've never heard of hacking...

//if she thinks she enjoys the right to express herself that way then she deserves everything she gets, end of story.//

Keep digging, wife-beater.

Ex-copper Chris, once again showing a propensity for violence.

"This woman should keep her mouth shut before someone exercises their
right and shuts it for her"

I recall your claim on the forum some time back that as a gung-ho constable. or whatever rank you held, your though it sport to throw gays into the Parramatta River. Violence begets violence. Ah! those good old days when coppers were kings!

Paul1405 wrote: “I recall your claim on the forum some time back that as a gung-ho constable. or whatever rank you held, your though it sport to throw gays into the Parramatta River.”

Haha! Yeah, my grandfather used to throw boongs and Jews into the Brisbane river.

Oh, how we’d laugh.

"Wife beater"
You know there was a thread a few months back where I went to extreme lengths to make a point to say the current 'Blame the man' policy is leading to more women being abused in DV situations.
It may have looked like I was defending the perpetrator.
Why did I do it?
Because we're not going to be able to build a better system until we get past that 'Blame the man' mentality and move to a position where we educate both parties prior to entering relationships.
Take this article yesterday.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-27/gofundme-page-set-up-nicole-evans-set-alight-by-fiance-allegedly/8477310

Got to admit it'd be real easy to 'Blame the man' in this case though.; however:
Tell me at some point in the next 10 years in jail do you think Matthew John Davey might regret what he did?
Do you also think that Nicole Evens might regret putting his ring on her finger?

That 'regret' will be evidence they were never educated properly to handle a relationship prior to entering it.
And that in itself will prove the current policies are inadequete.
We failed these people because of our incompetence.

Think of this as an idea.
What if we had a program when you earned a 'relationship license' as part of a 'healthy relationship course' and promoted it on facebook like a gimmick by the DV organisations.
Some women will take it seriously and advertise they did it on facebook and others will do the same.
Soon those girls will force the blokes to also do this program.
It would be as easy as promoting some stupid 'Ice Bucket Challenge'

Going back to that earlier article, The result of that healthy relationship education is we might actually create an environment where these things don't happen.

Build emotional trust,
Play fair and listen to your partner,
Resolve problems before they become bigger issues,
Do your best so you don't have regrets,
Know when its time to quit (Toni) when things aren't working out.

It's all very simple.

Heres another article:
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/rising-number-of-queensland-teens-face-mental-illness-mission-australia-report-20170418-gvn1t5.html

"More than one in five young Queenslanders could be living with a serious mental illness, according to a report released by Mission Australia... Those who were likely to have a mental illness cited coping with stress, school and study problems, depression and body image as their top issues of concern, according to Mission Australia."

'Depression and body image' - 'insecurities'.

So you've got all these young people on meds, with depression and insecurities going into relationships and finding themselves in situations they aren't given the skills to handle, in environments that often include drugs and alcohol as they get a little older through their teens and 20's, and we're wondering why we have problems with domestic violence.

Are you people insane?

Don't dare blame me for it, blame yourselves for not building a better system that would educate and protect both parties from making dumb life decisions.
I've done my bit, I tried to advocate for a better policy, what else do you want me to do?
If people has listened that girl wouldn't be laying there burned to a crisp and you fools arguing "He had no right"
Don't blame me for the governments poorly conceived policies.

Armchair Critic,

If you really are interested in the causes of domestic violence (which are quite complex), then how about you read up on what the research actually has to say about it, rather than simply reading news articles and then coming to your own naïve conclusions, based on incomplete data? (For example, educating both parties before they enter a relationship ain't gonna do squat for so long as there is poverty.)

You can start here:

Intimate partner violence: causes and prevention (http://goo.gl/v1bB9r)
Emerging Strategies in the Prevention of Domestic Violence (http://goo.gl/9dhaiD)
Domestic Violence at the Intersections of Race, Class, and Gender (http://goo.gl/IqB8dA)
Research on Domestic Violence in the 1990s: Making Distinctions (http://goo.gl/8RT0IV)
WHO Multi-country Study on Women’s Health and Domestic Violence against Women (http://goo.gl/ZUiicL)

There’s tens of thousands more, if you’re genuinely interested, they’re just the first ones I found which weren’t pay-walled.

Banjo, "Like most Aussies I was raised to respect our diggers that fought for us and am proud to honour their bravery and the hardships they endured.
However because the offensive comments on Anzac day were made by a woman it reminded me of the massacre of 22 Australian nurses on Bangka island during WW11...
With the offensive comments made by a woman, I cannot help but think about these brave and caring nurses that died so tragically".

Banjo, I am surprised that so far no-one has risen to the occasion to empathise with you and to share your compassion for the victims and for any surviving relatives and friends.

But of course those feelings were again laid raw as ANZAC Day approached and when we attended the Service.

My extended family on both sides lost so many in both world wars. While the greatest majority who suffered injury or death (usually the latter) were men, there were women who served and suffered. Or were at home managing the farm by themselves and other family members through farm accidents while supporting the war effort. Even now we have occasion, as more move to care or have died, to sort through the small, precious memorabilia. Some day some relative will do the same for us.

Can you or anyone else post the link to that documentary on the nurses made by the ABC?

Hi Leo,

This one might be a good start:

https://www.abccommercial.com/librarysales/program/vivian-bullwinkel-australian-heroine

Tribal/parochial/ethnocentric societies don't seem to have a very strong sense of good and bad, right and wrong. But they do have a very strong sense of 'honour' and 'shame'. I'm intrigued to know if this applied to the war-time Japanese.

Cheers,

Joe

Bloody hell you right whingers leave me flabbergasted sometimes.

The absolute worse that could be said about Ms Abel-Magied's comments was that they were politically incorrect and therefore offended some people.

All this bleating from you lot about being against political correctness and wanting the right to offend, but as soon as someone who isn't of your gender or colour or religion says something that gets up your nose then you scream blue murder. 'Deport her', 'hurt her', 'stone her'. Yup that's right, female, brown-skinned and Muslim. Three strikes.

Ms Abel-Magied is a young Australian. What she said did not denigrate anyone, did not incite hatred towards others, did not demean nor debase. Compare her words to much of the vileness being seen on this thread and rank hypocrisy doesn't even start to cover it.

I would much prefer to concentrate on the occasion though I will admit to finding Remembrance Day more significant for me now than ANZAC Day. To me younger generations have appropriated ANZAC Day and are weaving their own narrative around it. That is their right and I am loathed to criticise it. My father served in the RAN and I'm not sure he would have approved as he always felt pretty uneasy about jingoistic displays, especially by Yanks.

We found out this year that one of my mother's uncles Jack was badly tortured before being beheaded by the Japanese. It caused her real distress as she had been lead to believe his death had been relatively quick.
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/they-dont-make-em-like-that-any-more-20161222-gth11m.html

It was the words of his brother Ben (who passed away this year) that struck a deep note with the family. He was carrying a dying soldier on his shoulders while being marched between work camps in the Burmese jungle;

"He told me to stop and have a break. I said, 'If I put you down, cock, I'll never be able to pick you up again.' "

It is remembering these brave men and women where our attention should lie not serving up hypocritical confected outrage.

Hi Steele,

It was probably what she said that got up people's noses, not whether she was left-handed, cross-eyed, brown, a woman, or had a secret addiction to bacon-and-egg rolls. What she SAID.

Of course, in some ways, it doesn't matter what she said. We know that we will never forget the sacrifices that our fathers and grandfathers and uncles and aunts made to protect Australia from invasion, and their courage and mateship in the prison camps, even when facing torture and death.

I learnt just this week that sixteen hundred Australians died trying to defend Crete from the Nazis. Other Australians died to defend Syria against the Vichy French and the Nazis. We shouldn't ever forget them either. Or the Rats of Tobruk. Or the wonderful young blokes on the Kokoda Track. Or the seamen in the Battle of the coral Sea. Or the people killed in the Japanese attack on Sydney Harbour, or Darwin and other towns across the North.

What some dumb ditz says, in her pig-ignorance, is water off a duck's back. As long as we keep the memories alive of that wonderful generation, she'll never be anything but a taxpayer-funded blow-fly.

I'm sure you would agree, Steele :)

Joe

Dear Joe,

While objecting to her language yet using words like:

"dumb ditz, pig-ignorance, taxpayer-funded blow-fly..."
you're not exactly raising the bar of this discussion.

Dearest Foxy,

Sorry, I suppose I was just trying to express my complete contempt for that ditz, by using the most objective and value-free terms I could think of. I apologise if you found them too mild.

Love,

Joe

Dear Joe,

DEJA POO

You keep repeating ...

Joe (Loudmouth),

Thank you for your kindness and using one of your limited number of posts to bring the ABC's 'Vivian Bullwinkel: An Australian Heroine' to my attention. It was what I was looking for. It also gave me the stimulus and links to search a little further. Such sad stories and enormous fortitude and courage, all true.

Like so many others I am very disappointed in the present day ABC.

cont'd ...

ABRACADABRA!

Nope.

You're still

a creep.

Dearest Foy,

I'll repeat: "As long as we keep the memories alive of that wonderful generation, she'll never be anything but a taxpayer-funded blow-fly."

And a pig-ignorant one at that :)

Love always,

Joe

"As long as we keep the memories alive of that wonderful generation,.."

They were put through a lot.

Around ANZAC Day, before and after, I visited the graves of loved ones who went through it all. It is an annual routine that is getting a bit big now. What truly wonderful models of lives of community service they present.

So many stark differences between their uncomplaining service and the whining self-entitlement of the passing parade of celebrity commentators in the 'meeja', especially on the ABC. The ABC should be ashamed of itself and be required to earn its keep henceforth.

Dear Joe,

It is up to us whether we keep those memories alive or
not. The young lady was merely making the point that
we should be reminded that others are also suffering
today, as a result of war. Admittedly, she chose an
inappropriate time (ANZAC) day to make her point.
However, she does not deserve the over the top abuse
that she's getting.

Still -

Not all girls (women) are made of sugar and spice and
everything nice.

And not all boys (men) are made of snips and snails
and puppy-dog tails
Some are made of bushes and thorns and old cow's horns
lies and leers and crocodile tears
slippers that flop and bald-headed tops...

It takes all kinds.

Dearest Foxy,

Quite rightly, most of us would have ripped into Trump's spokesman, Sean Spicer, for his stupid remarks about the Holocaust, making light of most of the most evil tragedies in history.

On a much slighter and more ditzy level, that silly girl impugned the sacrifices of so many young people, with her comparison to the tribulations of illegal immigrants on Manus and Nauru.

No, she's not ditzy or silly, I take that back: she knows what she is doing and saying, on behalf of Hizb-ut-Tarir, an Islamist terrorist group. Next, they'll put up a beautifully-dressed, neatly-bearded, very softly-spoken and polite, imam to circuitously reinforce her message in support of Shari'a. Let's not kid ourselves.

Joe

Lest WE Forget...the many suffering from what they saw, what they were ordered to do and what they couldn't do to save another's life in the course of serving their country...and what their country is neglecting to do for them post ADF service.

I remember the young Craftsman at 1CSSB in late 2006 who was preparing to go away to the "Sandpit". I was working there as a civilian contractor. Let's call this bloke 'Bill' for the sake of the story. Bill was a man of 36 yrs, from country NSW, with life experiences gained before entering the Army. Considered by his peers and superiors as a well balanced and skilled soldier in all respects. From what I saw, he should at that age have been a Corporal or Sergeant.

Remaining at the unit during the 9 or so months he was away on deployment, I saw a vastly changed person upon his return in 2007. Lots of heavy drinking, behaviour being exhibited indicating that inside, it was not the same bloke who left Australia 9 months prior.

One morning I managed to get him to spill the beans...so to speak. Whilst clearing a village he and his section had gone around to the back of a hut to find an adult male sexually abusing a young boy. Suffice to say, 'Bill' was forcibly removed from the adult's neck by the remainder of his section, at the point of his officers rifle muzzle.

The Army had not even "debriefed" him or his section upon their return to base or even when back in Australia. Self medication by Johnnie Walker & Co.

Mizz Magied, her ABC minders, the Wimmins Industry, the Emily's (B)Listers - who like so many on the gravy train of taxpayer funded crusades and other agenda's would do well to keep this kind of abuse of former servicemen & women in mind.

As I have said before, "We have not yet visited the depths of the pain to be experienced by our collective indifference to the plight of those who have served and still suffer."

Albie Manton in Darwin,

As you remind us and be aware and comforted there is no need, on ANZAC Day we remember all who have served, are serving and their families and loved ones.

Whereas entitlements and treatment have been generally of a better standard than elsewhere in the world, federal governments have been slow and parsimonious especially where younger veterans are concerned.

I thought that the VVCS for example was a great idea and an innovation that should have been extended as a separate service, to all men. Boys and young men need appropriate modelling, a hand on the shoulder and support. They need counselling options.

The Australian public is aware that despite the best will in the world, nothing can replace the years and lives (and love) lost, but we continue to do our best, with gratitude and I hope great compassion.

Lest we forget.

The words, "Lest We Forget" mean a great deal
to many Australians. And so they should. But
added actions would mean even more. For example,
how are veterans treated in Australia? Is there
a great deal of support from the government in
supporting veterans with PTSD and other service
related mental illnesses? Why is homelessness so
high amongst our veterans. How about trying to
raise awareness and fundraise and persuade the
government to assist these veterans? How come there's
now only a few Repat hospitals left in the country -
when there used to be several in each city?

Lest We Forget? It seems that our government already
has.

http://www.abc.net.au/interactives/ptsd/

cont'd ...

I still cry whenever I hear "The Last Post,
being played. But perhaps it would do more
good if I was to take up a petition and
present it to Canberra in support of veterans
needing help with PTSD and other service related
medical illnesses.

Dearest Foxy,

Perhaps you could get Yassmin to publicise such a petition on our ABC ? She's such a compassionate person. But she might have to okay it first with her friends.

Love,

Joe

Dear Joe,

There's no need to do what you suggest.

The ABC has already done it through their "Four
Corners", program,
"Bringing The War Home". Read the following link:

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2015/03/09/4191681.htm

Thank you, Foxy, that should be re-played during every Anzac Week and Remembrance Week. But if our ABC needs reminding, I'm confident that Yassmin would like to promote such a film, she's such a compassionate person.

Love,

Joe

Dear Joe,

Not as compassionate as you appear to be.

You're beyond compassionate.

Abdel-Magied hasn't impressed everyone,

"Muslim sheikh says ABC should sack Yassmin Abdel-Magied after 'disrespectful' Anzac Day remarks"

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/35165509/muslim-sheikh-imam-shaikh-mohammad-tawhidi-says-abc-should-sack-yassmin-abdel-magied/#page1

In the video report it was said that it is 'a tactic of the left to demand resignations where the left is offended' (or more often, faux offended). What usually happens in mainstream society is that she is found to be a fool and disregarded accordingly.

Yassmin Abdel-Magied is an egocentric, attention-seeking fool, forget her, seems to be the conclusion.

She is a self-made caricature of the cultural stereotype of the activist, attention-seeking Muslim woman, or activist woman 'whatever'. They always over-dress, over-act and over-egg the part. How many posing in-your-face, motor-mouth feminist activists has OLO seen off over the years. That is life, everything is transitory. And thankfully so are they.

The ABC seems to have an array of cultural stereotypical 'persons'(sic), one for every occasion.

I wish the old Aunty would come back, but alas that will never be possible.

http://about.abc.net.au/abc-in-2017/our-plans-for-2017/

The link is self-explanatory.

OVER 1 BILLION TAXPAYER DOLLARS = "ABC has demonstrated its ability to galvanise audiences around major national events such as Crowded House Live at Sydney Opera House (1.5 million reach on broadcast, 10,000 live-streams on ABC iview), the Australian Election (TV coverage across the day reached 5.9 million viewers and a record 7.1% prime-time share for ABC News 24) and the New Year’s Eve Fireworks (3.6 million reach on ABC, 66,000 on ABC iview, 10 million+ on social platforms."

If I was a shareholder or CEO I would not be impressed by that. (regrettably as taxpayers we are shareholders)

5.9 million viewers if that is the best you can do for a event that happens every 4 years epic fail, How about showing us impressive figures for shows people actually want to watch that you have NONE that's why the give those statistics

As a taxpayer I want my money back.

I must stick up for the ABC, they do provide some very good shows,
moreover shows that are not riddled with adds.

"Eggheads" for one.

Is Mise - If taxpayers had to support the other channels to the tune of 1 Billion dollars you would probably get no add there.

Dear Phillip S.,

The following link may be of interest:

http://theconversation.com/does-the-abc-deliver-australians-good-bang-for-their-buck-25608

Foxy.

Interesting read but not persuasive, most importantly to beat their own drum to show their value to the nation in your link all the gave for high viewer programing is an event once every 4 years and 1 event one time a year and a one off concert performance.

Simple question if you had a few grand laying around would you invest in the ABC?

Also the fact people are prepared to pay hundreds of dollars to Foxtel is a sign the ABC and others are a failure in their minds and does not have enough quality to amuse or entertain them.

Dear Philip S.,

If I had money to spare would I invest it in the
ABC?

Absolutely.

The public broadcasters - ABC and SBS play such a
crucial role in Australian society, one that is
especially significant because of the concentration
of media ownership in Australia. According to Newspoll
their role is recognised and respected by a great
majority of Australians who see the importance of
alternative sources of news and public affairs information
for the proper functioning of democracy. Also public
broadcasters are clearly more accountable and independent
than their profit making and responsible to their share-holders
commercial counterparts because they are politically
neutral and have independent governance. Something that the
current government is trying to influence by cutting its
funding.

G'day Leoj, hi & thanks !

I march with my old compadres as often as remote area work commitments allow. This ANZAC Day in Perth, catching up after 39 years with one of my senior class mates from Army Apprentices School. Other ex RAEME mates there I hadn't seen in over 30 years...there was much catching up to be done last Tuesday.

In 2003 I also marched, along with thousands of others around Australia, to protest the Howard government sending our ADF members to support the US invasion of the nations of Iraq and later Afghanistan. Subsequently I've marched & attended at many rallies/protests in Darwin/Perth/Brisbane to show my support on the matters of illegal treatment of detainees. Interspersed with writing, emailing and telephoning my local NT member and on some occasions going into Parliament House in person to protest or deliver petitions.

The conversations of last week indicated that although ANZAC Day means everything mentioned here among the posts to contributors like Rectub, Foxy, Joe, chrisgaffe, Armchair and others, the use of the significance of the day - in the way Mizz Magied did was to, shall we say 'highlight the plight' of irregular immigrants (was that the phrase used by the fascist Howard regime?) aka folks in Lombrum, Nauru, Christmas Island. The situation of refugees globally. Has she (Mizz Magied) gone on to elucidate her post(s) ? As I said, the silence from the ABC/Magied is deafening.

What is so glaringly obvious inside the china shop today, is the multitude of agendas, 'barrows' & feminist ideologies disguised as balanced discourse being (yet again like the Same Sex Marriage "debate" - read: Mantra) shoved down our throats by the ABC masquerading as public opinion.

If Madame Pauline from One Nation had posted something in the same vein about an Islamic event from the past...let's say she had drawn attention to the Haj, using the vast amounts of money spent there as way of protesting against FGM for instance. The howls of derision from Fox Media, Turdoch Press and the Electronic Whorehouse collectively would be difficult to ignore.

Philip S,

Just taking a couple of ways of looking at the ABC:

firstly, you as you correctly point out, the digital access of the greatest majority of Australians extends well beyond traditional and rapidly becoming outdated sources, such as the ABC's TV service. What isn't usually recognised though is that soon very few Australians will be using those services anywhere near how, or to the extent, that they do now; and

secondly, if the publicly funded ABC is there to address equity, the real equity problem and discrimination if some want it expressed that way, is the greatly diminished access and use of digital technology by the poverty stricken in remote areas.
-The last mentioned ought include the peoples in our immediate area of the world. Recent events alone should advise Australian people and federal governments to think very carefully about them.

That people like Foxy can smugly assert that 'Their' and 'Yassnin Abdel-Magied's' ABC suits them down to the ground, they are the very already entitled, digital technology blessed middle class consumers who can always easily access and buy what they want. Although most of their digital consumption would be free.

Also, it would be quite wrong to imagine that the ABC's Q&A audiences from inner metropolitan 'burbs are impoverished or discriminated against where digital technology and use are concerned. For starters they are very easily able to access for free the internet available in public libraries and WiFi in many public places.
tbc..

contd..

However I don't blame the ordinary federal parliamentary backbencher for not realising how ill-directed the allocation of $1.3billion to outdated public broadcasting is, especially where its services are redundant and the taxpayers' dollars could be spent of the known growing shortfall in infrastructure and services for the increasing numbers of elderly Australians (stupidly added to over the years by immigration policy).

Where the problem lies is with such know-alls as that departing ABC CEO who left it until he received his golden handshake and he was out of the door to admit that the ABC and SBS duplicated each others services. He might also have done the public a service (finally!) if he had also admitted that the digital revolution had left some behind (who were not always obvious, eg aged) and yes, the ABC would always be catering for the 'always entitled' instead.

Those are some of the reasons why I would prefer it if the over-fed and largely irrelevant (to the digital future of most Australians) ABC and SBS were instead pruned considerably and directed to encourage and give seed money and support to local community initiatives (in digital) outside of cities and definitely in the impoverished countries near to us.

Should the ABC itself be in broadcasting? Possibly so in some selected, unique and narrow areas, but all should be required to provide a proper, well documented business case for funding continuance.

Just a couple of corrections.

Foxy has a very old computer. However, it suffices her needs.
She pays for it through Telstra. It is not free.

And Yasmin Abdel Magied works for the ABC on
a part time basis only - and whilst there,she has to abide by
their rules. Her private opinions are her own and not
those of the ABC.

Albie Manton in Darwin,

Thank you. Your service and that of so many others is appreciated and always will be.

Regarding the in-your-face, self-promoting, egocentric narcissists who host and as special invitees grace the ABC 'public' podiums', if you would like to take a meaning from what I have already written, it is that the ABC and SBS are servicing already well-off, informationally-advantaged people. Where digital is concerned, that is practically everyone in Oz.

The ABC and SBS are long past their 'use-by' date.

Problem is that with sweet bugger all to contribute that isn't already available to most Aussies online through tablets, mobiles and desk tops and now multiple use technology, they, the overbearing 'Progressive' elite, the ABC's Dahlings, are making nuisances of themselves.

It is how non-productive (in the real world) but well educated people spend their time, apparently. Hence the now common snide sledging at Australia's institutions and so on. It is all a time- and life-wasting game. While the real digitally disadvantaged get squat and are largely ignored.

there is NO DISRESPECT to Anzacs simply by someone expressing her own views in a public forum ...

most commenting here have expressed views different to hers ..

opinions are NOT values ... nor is religion

some of you have way too much time on your hands to make such a big issue of half a dozen words posted on FB by one young Muslim woman living in Australia ...

betcha many of you hold views she wouldn't agree with too ... So ?

Foxy Quote "Her private opinions are her own and not those of the ABC"

Absolutely wrong when a person broadcasts those thought in or on a public platform, numerous people have lost jobs and been refused jobs because of various online posts.

Not to mention people have been sued for such posts.

Nobody has fought to defend Australian freedom between 1945 and quite recently when fire began to be turned on Islamic State.

EJ,

"Nobody has fought to defend Australian freedom between 1945 and quite recently when fire began to be turned on Islamic State"

Quite true, but many Australians have fought since 1945 to defend the freedoms that we enjoy.

Dear Philip S.,

Just quoting what the ABC has stated.

Her opinions are her own. And she did make
them on her own Facebook - not on the ABC.
There is a difference.

Is Mise: " many Australians have fought since 1945 to defend the freedoms that we enjoy."

Where, against whom and for whom? Strike out wars for British or Yank colonialism. Strike out wars to topple secular, anti-theocratic regimes and open the way to Islamic State or the Taliban.

The war that fully fits Is Mise's definition is the 1939-1945 war against the Huns. The war against the Japs was direct defence of Australia. The war of 1914-1918 was a mixed bag, and the failed invasion of Gallipoli was a war to protect British geostrategic aims in the region, not to defend freedoms that we enjoy and not to defeat the Huns who started the war by invading Belgium.

Does anyone here know if the Sheila that made those offensive comments turned up for work last Saturday? Or is she still in hiding?

She should not be too fearful of much criticism at the ABC. I see only a few have came out in support of her and none of them get any respect. Should start a book on when she will stick her head up again. Might remain buried in poo, that would be justice.

Just to get back to what Ms Abdul-Magied wrote, why did she have a go at Australia for involvement in Syria ? What have Australian governments done that might have got up her nose about Syria ?

Any pseudo-left rat-bag might have a go at Australia for something to do with Nauru, Manus or Palestine, but why Syria ? As far as I can tell, the only Australian military involvement in Syria is in support of the efforts of democratic forces, Syrian government forces and the Kurdish SPB/SPJ against ISIS in north-eastern Syria, mainly in the encirclement of Raqqa, its de facto capital.

Is that it ? Is that what she has been ordered by Hizb-ut-Tarir to complain about ?

Joe

Foxy, "Her opinions are her own. And she did make them on her own Facebook - not on the ABC. There is a difference"

For much needed balance after reading that, a reminder that Yassmin Abdel-Magied's apologists neglect to mention this and any bearing it might have on her various roles,

"Yassmin Abdel-Magied asked a hardline Islamist group for advice after Q&A
She spoke with Hizb ut-Tahrir's spokesman Wassim Doureihi on Facebook"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4240714/Q-Muslim-Yassmin-Abdel-Magied-Islamic-Hizb-ut-tahrir.html

Noting too that such is the fierceness of the politically correct censorship in Australia that one has to go to the UK media for a report that pulls the threads together and poses the obvious questions.

Some here might be reminded of the obnoxious standover man, Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Wassim Doureihi, is the very same lout who dodged every question asked by Emma Alberichi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvjudQmPSWg

On OLO there is always plenty of dodging where Islamic accountability is concerned and the same tactics and rationalisations employed by Wassim Doureihi too.

One should heed what leoj has written - it's incontrovertible and leaves no wiggle room for appeasers.

Yassmin Abdel-Magied is a shill for Islam, she lied on Q&A that Sharia was "feminist" and blindsided Jacqui Lambie who I hope has done the necessary homework since.

Loudmouth:

"they do have a very strong sense of 'honour' and 'shame'. I'm intrigued to know if this applied to the war-time Japanese."

Surprisingly, although the Japs were a mob of mongrels that deserved both nukes, I recall two incidents that showed rare honour among them.

1. Heard in radio talk between Jap pilots north of WA where Dutch refugees were fleeing from NEI in life boats, the pilots were ordered to machine-gun them and they refused, declaring "we're warriors, not executioners".

2. There was much ado about the Japs sinking a hospital ship in Darwin, but not about the Jap broadcasts for many days calling on the Allies to get their warships away from the hospital ship.

How do I know? I was a teenager with links to journos and heard a lot of the scuttlebutt.

Dear Loudmouth,

You wrote;

“Just to get back to what Ms Abdul-Magied wrote, why did she have a go at Australia for involvement in Syria ? What have Australian governments done that might have got up her nose about Syria ?”

I read her comments as far more about asking that we spare a thought for the poor people who are in these situations rather than her having a go at her government and their actions.

Was she politically incorrect in her timing, of course, but this was not an attack on anyone and you trying to frame it as such is disingenous.

Hi Steele,

Of course it was.

The question remains, "Why Syria ?"

Joe

Dear Loudmouth,

Perhaps the lady in question had viewed this Four Corners episode;

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2017/04/24/4654878.htm

It is horrifying viewing and it is still in my thoughts even today. I perfectly understand a call not to forget them.

Just as an aside I went back to look through your posting history at the time of Scott McIntyre's sacking for his offensive tweets in 2015.

Here is one of them;

"Remembering the summary execution, widespread rape and theft committed by these 'brave' Anzacs in Egypt, Palestine and Japan,"

I checked, you were posting on other threads but not once did you contribute to any of the three threads addressing his actions. What do you think the difference is?

Dear Steele,

Thank You for the four corners link.

Here is another on Syria:

http://www.worldvision.org/refugees-news-stories/syria-refugee-crisis-war-facts

Also a link from Media Watch which may be of interest:

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4661913.htm

EJ,

My favourite war: Korea, since then there have been numerous little fights, the Confrontation in Borneo and the fighting in Timor for instance.

Dear Foxy,

Yes it is a very powerful episode. The brutality of the Assad regime is sickening. It made me think of ways I could help. I certainly understand some of my fellow Australians like Ashley Johnston and V wanting to go and lend a hand.

Thank you for the links.

After rolling in a whole barrel of red herrings Steele Redux and Foxy are off on their own thread within a thread. and holding a contrived private conversation.

Got to say though, no-one does outrage like Media Watch. But then the ABC gives Media Watch and the breathless, always outraged and indignant* Paul Barry plenty of practice.

*on behalf of the ABC, who else? ABC defending the ABC, that is independence and balance for you. LOL

Back to the thread,

Banjo asked if Ms Abdul-Magied has showed up for work at the ABC since, or is she hiding out?

Maybe someone can answer that question. You couldn't miss her, she would be sporting a large red clown nose.

I have misgivings about the Four Corners programme on Assad. The narrative was dominated by one bloke, who seemed to have an axe to grind. Pictures of emaciated-looking dead bodies were taken in the basement of a hospital which the sole informant reckoned doubled as an Assad Abu Ghraib. On the plus side, Sarah Ferguson isn't the type to be snowed by a malcontent with an agenda.

But somehow the story was unconvincing and a stitch-up would fit right in with the Yanks' stubborn refusal to to negotiate for an internationally supervised election, reminiscent of their sabotage of an agreed Vietnam-wide election because the wrong side would win.

There has to be an explanation of why Assad would gas people with no conceivable military incentive when he's winning the war anyway.

Hi Steele,

Sorry, I didn't realise that one of OLO's rules was that it is compulsory to notice and comment on every thread on OLO. Do you have the URL for that thread ?

Did your friend give any evidence for his assertion about:

"Remembering the summary execution, widespread rape and theft committed by these 'brave' Anzacs in Egypt, Palestine and Japan,"

I would have thought that those atrocities regrettably accompany any victorious conquest. My gr-gr-gr-grandfather Bob Higgins was sent out here for pinching a spoon in the Netherlands while a soldier there in 1809. Maybe not quite the same thing :(

Do you have any evidence for these atrocities ? Presumably those mentioned in relation to Egypt and Palestine were committed during the First World War ? And the reference to Japan obviously to the Second world War ?

You and your friend could have mentioned the rapes on Polish and German women committed by the Russians at the end of WW II - but of course they were socialist rapes, not common-or-garden rapes. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands -and thereby millions of rapes - committed by the Japs against Chinese, Korean, Filipino, Indonesian and Vietnamese women.

Yes, I agree that two wrongs don't make a right, but you need to be more inclusive.

Cheers,

Joe

A few corrections regarding the earlier comments on the
program - "Media Watch."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Watch_(TV_program)

The link tells us that -
Media Watch is Australia's most-watched media analysis
TV program. The program focuses on critiquing the Australian
media. It focuses on any incidents of media misconduct.

It played a key role in revealing the unethical behaviour
of radio talk-back hosts which became known as the -
"cash for comment affair" and was the subject of an investigation
by the Australian Broadcasting Authority.

In other words, "Media Watch," provides a very important and
necessary access to information that is required in a
democracy for citizens to be able to make informed choices.
If citizens are denied access to information that they need
to make these choices, or if they are given misleading, false,
or limited information, the democratic process becomes a sham.

It is therefore important that the media not be censored,
that citizens have the right of free speech, and that public
officials tell the truth.

Fascinating how the hacks whose other qualities :( must have impressed their hiring editors more than their lacklustre journalist skills - because they always end up reporting their own opinion instead - are showing their true colours.

Reporting today, SMH's self described feminist Latika Bourke triumphantly declared in her concluding para that it is the 'conservatives' who took issue with Ms Abdel-Magied's outrageous claim that Islam was the most feminist religion,

"In 2015, Ms Abdel-Magied was named Queensland's Young Australian of the Year. But she has become the target of conservatives ever since she appeared on the ABC's Q&A program and defended Islam as the "most feminist" religion of all"

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/zed-seselja-criticises-yassmin-abdelmagied-over-anzac-day-facebook-post-20170502-gvxp4y.html

Those 'conservatives' so disliked and chastised by Ms Latika Bourke are concerned about the rights and welfare of women.. But what about Ms Bourke?

Issue a large red clown nose to Ms Latika Bourke and wonder how the SMH has sunk so low in its journalistic standards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Watch_(TV_program)

Latika Bourke has already won awards she does not
need a clown nose. Although having a great sense
of humour I'm sure she'd wear one to raise funds
for children with cancer. Her background is interesting.
She was left by her young mother at a Catholic orphanage
in India and ended up being adopted by an Australian
couple and brought and raised in Australia. Anyway,
her story is worth a read:

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/latika-bourkes-indian-story-20150418-1mo3wm.html

Hi Foxy,

Yes,my heart went out to Latika, in her search for a key ring with her name on it - plenty of Kylies and Katies, but not one Latika ! Not one ! How unjust is that !? What a racist society Australia truly is !

For Christ sake, get a grip. No wonder so many young people these days are called 'snow flakes'. What will they do when they get their first wrinkle, or grey hair ? Life's so unfair !

Joe

Dear Joe,

You know so little and you know it so fluently.

Did Assad do what they say the probability is no firstly based on the lies used to invade Iraq ALL the reasons to do so turned out to be lies.

Also just look at the media personalities that were calling for bombings to save the children, well where were they when Hussein was gone oh they stopped talking about save the children etc total silence.

This is what they are doing now save the children save the people if there is a change you won't hear from them again.

Assad was the darling of USA he has outgrown his usefulness therefore must go according to them does not matter he was democratically elected.

"There has to be an explanation of why Assad would gas people with no conceivable military incentive when he's winning the war anyway"

Maybe he wanted to see if it worked?

She has shown her lack of loyalty
Her true alliance to the worlds Muslims was revealed because of all the groups, she
defended
A very telling outburst. And the whole problem with multiculturalism

She needs to go and live in some of those Muslim country's for 10years, it will put an end to her ideas of women's rights in Muslim countries.

Dearest Foxy,

Like Socrates, I know that I know nothing. Thank you for the comparison.

Wouldn't it be a wonderful world if all Indian girls could have the opportunities that Latika and Australian girls - and of course, boys - take for granted. I look forward to the time when all Indians have lifestyles as comfortable as ours, yours and mine, dear Foxy, when they can simply flick a switch and the lights come on, the kettle boils, the stove comes on, there's hot water. They're as entitled as we are to all those comforts, fridges, washing machines. What's sauce for us gooses is sauce for Indian ganders. Oops, that's my 'values' breaking out, sorry.

BTT: wouldn't it be wonderful if all Muslim girls, in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Yemen, could have the comforts and rights of Ms Abdul-Mageid ? She's entitled to those, as an Australian, but I hope that one day, all women enjoy those same rights, to drive, to study, to go for a walk on their own, to marry who they like, to do what they damn-well like - something like the rights that boys and men enjoy in those countries.

I was talking last night at singing class to a woman who lost her uncle at Tobruk. Remember Tobruk ? The Rats of Tobruk ? If they had turned and ran, Egypt would have been overrun by the Nazis, the Canal would have been seized, and the Middle East taken over by fascism. But no, they stayed and fought. And died. For Ms Abdul-Mageid, in the long run. Australians died on Crete (1600 of them). Australian soldiers died in Syria (in two wars) fighting Ottoman imperialism the first time, Vichy French and Nazis the second time.

Fifty thousand Australian soldiers died in the Second world War. Six million Jews were murdered by the Nazis, as well as hundreds of thousands of Gypsies, homosexuals, communists, etc. How dare this silly girl compare the boredom and other difficulties of a relative handful of illegal immigrants on Manus and Nauru with those tragedies.

Love,

Joe

Dear Joe,

I don't think that anyone here is suggesting that
her comments were appropriate. They were not.
But the outrage that continues is over the
top.

See you on another discussion.

Foxy,

I suggest that if you don't want the 'outrage' to continue, don't stir it up. You need to be discerning about an issue before jumping in with an initial, ill-considered, knee-jerk reaction to something that you don't like, if you don't want a constant stream of sensible rebuttals.

Just saying :)

Joe

Dear Joe,

Where exactly am I stirring things up?

If you are referring to my comment in response
to yours about Latika Bourke - read your own
post that you wrote about that lady and then
you'll see who's doing the stirring.
You need to take your own advice. You're in no
position to preach to others.

Anzac Day was to supply Russia with weapons because the loony Czar was a nut like Wilhelm and had invaded Crimea without enough industrial back up. Russian and Germany were both miltary dictatorships . Turkey didn't like the Crimea grab nor did Britain and its Light Brigade cavalry , USA or Australia . But ANZAC terrorised the Muslims with naval broadsides on 25 April . Turkey became democratic but not Hitler or Lenin.

Nicknicknick,

The Russians had extended their empire by invading the Crimea around ninety years before Gallipoli (you ARE referring to Gallipoli, aren't you ?). Perhaps you're confusing the Anzac landings with some aspect of the Crimean War sixty years before ?

The US was not involved in the Crimean War. Come to think of it, I don't think they were involved in the Gallipoli landings either.

Turkey was not particularly Muslim or Islamist at the time, nor did it ever become all that democratic afterwards. An somewhat less so now.

Joe

Yes the Light Brigade cavalry of the Crimean war was 60 years before and US policy on Crimea is 100 years after 1915 . My point is that there is about 150 years of opposition to Russia in Crimea .

BBC - Religions - Islam: Ottoman Empire (1301-1922)
www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/ottomanempire_1.shtml
Sep 4, 2009 - The Ottoman Empire was the one of the largest and longest lasting Empires in history.
It was an empire inspired and sustained by Islam, and ...
The bicameral system of the Ottoman parliament—composed of an upper house, the Senate of viziers, assigned by the Sultan, and the lower house, the Chamber of Deputies, selected by two-level elections—was dissolved, which had already been defunct since the Allied occupation of Istanbul in 1920 and consequently.

The effective multi-party period began in 1945; the next year, the Republican People's Party won the first multi-party elections. In the 1950 elections, the Democratic Party won, becoming the first opposition party to win elections.

'WELL SAID' nicknamenick