Hi Foxy

' Do tell. So you consider people like Tony Abbott, John Howard,
Bronwyn Bishop, George Brandis, Joe Hockey, et al,
a bunch of socialists? Interesting'

They certainly inherited a socialist regime. That's why Browyn has no problems with flying a helicopter around on our money. Unfortunately once you allow a socialist mentality and system in place whether you are conservative or socialist the corrupt nature kicks in. Just look at the corruption, hypocrisy, theft and bullying in the union movement.

Yes, mhaze, and sometimes they were just ignorant.

<<[Conservatives] simply accept that our forebears were intelligent and thoughtful …>>

But who could blame them, really? They didn’t know as much as we do now.

<<… and that the structures of society developed over the generations were/are of value and ought not be trashed without due care and understanding.>>?

Well, we’ve got plenty of data with regards to the negative effects of marginalisation and exclusion, but that still doesn’t seem to be enough for you lot when it comes to your most feared minorities.

<<Its not fear of change but simply accepting that change is not necessarily for the better and care should taken to understand whether the change will indeed be improvement.>>

Sure, but there’s only so much evidence for a change (or lack of evidence against a change) that can be collated before sensible caution just looks like bigotry and fear.

<<I look forward to see what mechanisms you use to convince yourself that this data ought to be ignored...>>

Perhaps Paul could just tell himself that you’ve been led down the garden path? It works for you:

“Oh good, a consensus of sociologists! Are they the same sociologists who led AJ down the garden path concerning the origin and longevity of the traditional family?” (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=18926#337954)

You're not in a position to criticise there, mhaze.

Dear runner,

Both sides of politics have a great deal to answer
regarding corruption scandals. What is needed is
an independent Body that will investigate the claims,
Fat chance of that happening though, especially with
big business donations to the parties of their choice.

Yeah we agree on that Foxy. The prolem is finding an impartial body to do the work. Look at how incompetent and political the HRC became under Triggs.

Dear runner,

Not sure about your claim regarding Triggs.
After all her report did end up resulting in
the number of children in detention being lessened
by the Liberal Party. That was quite an achievement
I'm sure you'll agree.

More fears of the Left:

Fear that there may be intrinsic, intractable differences between the sexes and races that no amount of propaganda and wishful thinking can eradicate.

Fear that capitalism has benefited mankind more than it's hurt them.

Fear of genuine social liberty, as people may do and say "incorrect" or "offensive" things or "exclude" others.

Fear of the uncertainty and imperfection inherent to our world and our nature, making a perfect utopia impossible to create or maintain.

Fear that there may be a "God" after all, an intelligence far greater than theirs (though not as historically defined).

Fear of genuine democracy, as most people are not utopian radicals and would not vote for, or would repeal, many "progressive" policies and laws, if given the chance.

You only have to look at the hysterical reaction to Trump's *democratic* election, to see how much fear permeates the minds of Leftists.
He hadn't even been sworn in and they're crying like babies.

Is Mise, some Indians are Caucasoid and of Indo-European origin.
Some are unrelated Dravidians.

The Indo-Iranians separated from the European family over 6000 years ago and developed their own civilisations.
Their English is irrelevant.
I had an Indian TAFE teacher who "spoke" English. Nobody in the class (even other Indians) could understand him.