doog,

"Bernadi party is completely unknown as to policy. So any comment is only fairy tale."

There's this new invention called the Internet where you can try to discover things that you aren't aware of, so long as you're prepared to do a little checking....

http://www.conservatives.org.au/principles

Paul1405,

" Reagan and Thatcher, history has judged that pair of fools, and it has not been kind."

There was a time back in the 1990's when that might have been true or at least vaguely defensible. This was especially true among those who couldn't separate their partisan politics from dispassionate historical evaluation.

But since then, the world, unlike Paul, have moved on and made more sober assessments of these giants of late 20th century history. Increasingly history and historians recognise that the political revolutions wrought by Reagan and Thatcher were a watershed moment in the history of their respect countries and international affairs.

Of coarse their major achievements were as the leaders of a change in attitude to the Cold War which eventually led to the demise of the USSR. Now Paul, given his far left attitudes, may be of the view, like Putin, that the fall of the Soviet empire wasn't a major positive event for the world. but most would disagree with that. Some think less gulags and freeing slave nations are a good thing.

As importantly, both inherited economies that were in decline, and where the elite opinion was that decline was irreversible and a symptom of the failures of capitalism. Neither Reagan nor Thatcher bought that and proceeded to revitalise their nations by returning to principles that had made them great. Again, for people like Paul, while creating wealth and jobs might be acceptable, doing it by demonstrating the errors of the progressives was unforgivable.

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So Paul and his ilk will never understand why Reagan and Thatcher are held in such high esteem and why history is increasingly reflecting that, so much so that even the Obamessiah sought to enhance his stature by claiming to be the modern version of Reagan. Equally Blair often claimed to be the inheritor and carrier of the Thatcher legacy.

While the west, which benefited so much from Reagan/Thatcher continues to have dills like Paul who are unable to see greatness even when its in front of their face, the slave nations of Eastern Europe who were rescued by Reagan's policies continue to venerate him (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2011/07/reagan-veneration-in-eastern-europe/).

"why not try and counter my accretion [assertion?] that Conservatism is based on greed and fear."

This misunderstands conservatism. It isn't fear of change but a recognition that our predecessors weren't fools and rejecting and changing their legacy ought to be done judiciously. Conservatives don't oppose change per se, they oppose change for the sake of change. And greed? - well that just Paul misunderstanding and/or promoting 19th century notions of class warfare.

mhaze, to prove the greatness of Reagan and Thatcher you link to some nondescript queasy judeo-christian blogger who's name escapes me, a worthless link it be. You would have us believe that at some point in time, just when you cannot say, the conservative ethos miraculously transcend it founding base of greed and fear and shifted to some new altruistic level of concern for the great mass of humanity, that is laughable. The proof of this world changing phenomenon is the implementation of Reaganomics in America, and Thatcherism in Britain. Reagan and Thatcher were both divisive politicians who did untold social and economic damage to their respective countries, and the world in general. It is through progressive liberalism that real change is achieved.

Donald Trump will prove to be as politically flawed as the aforementioned pair, only this time the world may pay a much higher price.

The banana party does not exist let alone have policy. Who wrote this fictitious policy. Anything around now is only fairy tales. It takes a whole party to make policy, unless you are Abbott, and you know where his one man policy ended up.

We were fed the most disgraceful heap of blatant lies ever used against the Australian people in history. All orgustrated to win an election, which he did win by deceight, blatant lies, which amounted to fraud.

It will take a labor govt to bring that runt to justice.
With 22 seats lost at the DD election the field has been squared.

Abbott wants changes to the senate. Like he was manipulating FWA. Who was supposed to be independent of govt.

Never have we seen such a disruption to govt as the runt stating he will not be disruptive. Just another blatant lie. Anyone that would ever believe a single word that mongrel mutters is a definite twat.

Can someone translate doog's post for me?

Paul,

Pretty standard for the likes of you to reject information based on the messenger. Irrespective of who wrote the post, the fact is that Reagan is venerated in Eastern Europe. But you don't want that to be true and will adopt any childish means to pretend it isn't. Oh well, it takes all types I guess.

Based on your utterly erroneous assertions about the origins of WW1, your historic understand is at the level of Little Golden Books. So its little wonder that you also confuse conservatives with Conservatives.

//So its little wonder that you also confuse conservatives with Conservatives.//

Are the Conservative party not conservative then?