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Victorian Parliament to vote on assisted dying laws.
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Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 11:23:26 AM
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Again, apologies for the typo. Here is the link again: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/susie-obrien/we-deserve-the-right-to-die-with-our-dignity-intact/news-story/db427121c2d94f72ad996db625329947 Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 11:31:16 AM
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Assisted dying laws? I wonder if a time will come, when the word 'voluntary' is removed from the Euthanasia debate altogether? Perhaps through some fiscal imperative, where normal medical initiatives are removed, and an individual's sustenance, care, and medications are compulsorily withdrawn. He'll be notified (in writing of course) no more benefits whatsoever, that has emanated from the public purse, will be made available to him. Should he be unable to survive with public assistance? Thereby his survival remains squarely within the purview, of those who care for his welfare?
If this individual has nobody to provide for him, in any capacity; or he's exceeded a government mandated age; for this purpose; 75, 80 even 85 years, it could well be lower. The government can unilaterally determine, you be humanely 'put to sleep' as it were. Much like we might do for a very sick pet. I'm over 75 myself, and I think it to be worthy of mature discussion. Sometimes our feelings and emotions are necessarily trumped by other, more broader and indispensable issues. As a 'born again' atheist, we've got to start thinking well outside of the box, otherwise we'll consume ourselves with war(s) over-population and even bigger famines etc. Posted by o sung wu, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 2:29:23 PM
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O Sung Wu,
Isn't that a bit overdramatic? Posted by Zeil, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 2:34:36 PM
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o sung wu,
It is a common complaint of the elderly that they do not feel wanted and are regarded as (economically) non-productive and a drain on society. For cynical political reasons both sides of politics but more recently more the Labor and Greens, have used jealousy against seniors, the claimed 'advantaged' Baby Boomers', for wedge politics, divide and conquer, to score shabby points and to cover for lack of government planning. It is interesting that there is such concentration on euthanasia but almost nothing aimed at changing the prevailing, antiquated view of aging and 'old age'. I recall that in a public debate Tony Abbott questioned among other things whether the availability of euthanasia might limit the money available for palliative care. It is worth listening to, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpCj4F4aFlw I am not arguing either way, just saying that: firstly, there are very deep issues and many of those who argue for euthanasia are not likely to be affected personally ie affecting their own life, by that decision in the foreseeable future; and secondly, with such nasties as the pressure presently being put of seniors to give up the homes in which they raised their families and the lack of respect (and even open contempt!) of the leftists for the elderly, this is not a good time for change. Posted by leoj, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 3:02:47 PM
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leoj,
We are discussing here - assisted dying laws for the terminally ill who are suffering with no hope of a cure and the right to die with dignity. Kindly start your own discussion on old age or anything else you want to distort, Do not try to divert my discussion. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 3:47:29 PM
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Here is another link on the subject:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/susie-obrien/we-deserve-right-to-die-with-our-dignity-intact/news-story/db427121c2d94f72ad996db625329947