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HIV Why isn't the message getting through on anal sex?

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Missed a word or two, should be,

"So the public are NOT likely to be approving or sympathetic to the 'bare-backing' and other risk-taking and not properly informing recipients, that lead to the spread of HIV/AIDS"
Posted by leoj, Monday, 10 April 2017 10:54:57 AM
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Leoj,

Do you really believe that?
Posted by Zeil, Monday, 10 April 2017 12:17:12 PM
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Okay lets dig into this HIV claim. Now according to the Australian Federation of AIDS Organizations & The Kirby Institute(anyone who does not view them as a credible sources step up step up) Australia has over 25,313 people living with aids. In 2014 1,081 new people were diagnosed with the disease with 70% of that 1,081 being gay or bisexual men. As of 2014 new cases of aids have rose pretty uniformly at around 1,000 new cases per year.

So now lets dig a little further on those 2014 statistics. Of 1,081 cases 89% were men of all sexual orientations which means with some simple math 19% of aids suffers identify as straight men and just 11% of HVI suffers are women. No statistics here on lesbian woman but I'm gonna gamble and say that's probably because the numbers negligible.

So this tells us that whilst gay or bisexual men make up the lion share of HIV sufferers, straight men and women don't make up negligible portions of this group themselves. Roughly 110 woman and 190 straight men contracted HIV in 2014. Now what could we infer by these two numbers? In vaginal (or anal) sex woman have a far greater chance of contracting HIV than men do, it pretty much has to do with what fluids are gong where, obviously. So if there are significantly more straight men contracting HIV than straight women one could infer that men... straight and gay engage in risky sex on a much larger scale more than woman do in general regardless of sex. Therefore its not that gay men are significantly more risky in how they chose to go about sex, it's just that there preferred type of sex is inherently more risky.
Posted by Zeil, Monday, 10 April 2017 12:55:39 PM
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Moving on though cos I know what responses I'll get...

Those men just claim to be straight...

Right, every HIV positive male is gay or secretly gay and every positive woman had sex with a bisexual or in the closet guy.

Moving on.

So Kirby also did some research regarding HIV and people of diverse backgrounds. (Not just HIV suffers) They looked at everything from the risky behaviors these people regularly engaged in to what they new about HIV and HIV testing.
https://kirby.unsw.edu.au/sites/default/files/hiv/attachment/SERP_CALD-survey-report.pdf
It's a great study.
One of the interesting things they found was that on average woman scored higher than men regarding their knowledge about HIV, despite that in that same study men (88% straight) reported having multiple partners over the course of 12 months.
Some unfortunate things were universal though, whilst woman scored higher than men, there were still a lot of misconceptions regarding HIV and a lot of really harsh opinions on HIV suffers across the board. 19% of of those surveyed said all HIV suffers deserved to be infected. They said this despite that then only 31% of men claimed to always use condoms with casual sexual partners and only 23% of women.
Posted by Zeil, Monday, 10 April 2017 1:11:31 PM
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So, if people would like to seriously debate this issue...

I can go on...

In fact we can actually dig into why I think is that 'Yes' gay and bisexual men do suffer a much high rate of HIV infection and I think it is a massively fascinating topic. However I don't think it's anything to do with them being more promiscuous then straight men, or filthy and I certainly don't think god... (I doubt there is one) but if there is one... I seriously think he has better ways of wiping out a population than some disease which has significant collateral and these days is no longer much of a death sentence.
Posted by Zeil, Monday, 10 April 2017 1:21:03 PM
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Maybe remove some mud from the waters:

MSM - men who have had sex with men;

WSW - women who have had sex with women; and,

Heterosexuals.

Now, just where does one find the highest incidence of HIV/AIDS? Answer, MSM.
You can go to the sub-group if you like, Gays.

Regrettably for women, some MSM also have sex with women.
- It has been shown in the US for example, that black MSM have the highest incidence of HIV/AIDS and expectably, there is a corresponding high (but lower than the men of course) incidence affecting black women.

- Hispanic MSM have the second highest but there is a fair gap from black, and as for Hispanic women, a corresponding incidence that is behind their men

- White MSM have an incidence of HIV/AIDS that lags behind Hispanic men and white women, a corresponding incidence behind their men.

But what about white heterosexual men? Their incidence of HIV/AIDS comes from women they trust, women who have in turn trusted men some of whom at least have not declared previous or active sex with men, ie they are undeclared MSM.

Researchers point out that heterosexual men, who by definition are not MSM, get little advice and counselling and don't get much attention where government grants and researchers are concerned.

Regarding anal sex, it is the recipient who is most at risk.

Heterosexual women are being encouraged, duped and coerced into anal sex that is NOT invited and welcomed by women anyhow and goes against their bodily instincts. As the recipient of anal sex they stand the most likely to become infected.

The question again is what practical, robust actions can they take and advise their girls to take to avoid the calamity? Should there be a requirement for men to declare any MSM sex to prospective women partners? If not, why not?
Posted by leoj, Monday, 10 April 2017 1:52:25 PM
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