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One Nation - time to debunk a few myths

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Well it is too late for anything to save what once was One Nation but that's not my point in writing this.

Seems that the party still gets frequently mentioned here... but also as apparent is the lack of any real understanding of the party.

Since its inception One Nation had born the brunt of more hypocrisy and dishonesty that any other party in recent times.

RACISTS - the big lie...

Before One Nation was even formed Pauline Hanson was labelled a racist. Cries rang out in Parliament House before she had even finished her maiden speech. The racist LIE was born.

But this political ploy had been used for years by the “left” to silence debate on issues such as immigration and multiculturalism.

A racist is someone who holds the belief that one race is superior to another.

There is NO One Nation policy, so based.

Let’s make that point one more time, to make it perfectly clear...

There is/was... NO One Nation policy, so based.

The politically correct have lied and corrupted the English language in their attempt to control and stifle debate in Australia.

One Nation - extreme right wing...

Really? A quick look at One Nation policies since it’s inception would have quickly put an end to that lie.

But who really knows what One Nation’s policies were? It’s so much easier to just believe what others say.

One Nation has NO answers...

How often have we heard that one? Yet we have governments both federal and state adopting One Nation policies.

How many times have things One Nation warned about come to pass?

Backward looking...

One Nation wanted to drag Australia back to the past. Really? At a time when the major parties thought infrastructure development was too difficult and the Democrats didn’t even know what it was. One Nation was asking why not? It was One Nation who wanted to rebuild our manufacturing base here in Australia for our children’s future
Posted by T800, Sunday, 24 September 2006 5:48:24 PM
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The DEMOCRATS and the anti-Hanson parties...

Just more lies and hypocrisy. When Meg Lees went to the 2001 election on a platform of little more than anti-Hanson sentiment she conveniently forgot that both parties shared many more policy commonalities than differences.

The real reason for targeting One Nation was because they were a political threat to the Democrats, nothing more, nothing less.

The other parties such as Unity, etc. were parties founded on a lie. One Nation was not racist.

Political scare-mongering was used to create more competition and siphon off preferences to the majors.

The BIG Hypocrisy...

In a final bid to kill off One Nation the major parties preferenced each other. This had absolutely nothing to do with any moral imperative. It was pure and simple... a ploy to entrench the status quo.

Both the major parties didn’t care who won government as long as it wasn’t someone other than them
Posted by T800, Sunday, 24 September 2006 5:52:18 PM
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Coles and Woolies do exactly the same with their competitors.They won't savage each other in a brawl,but they'll pick on the easy prey small competitors and destroy them.

Yes it is true,a lot of One Nation policies are now being implemented by the Federal Govt but One nation lacked the talent and credibility to pull it off.It takes a long time to build a party people will trust.One Nation is plagued by the few ultra-right loonies as Labor is plagued by the left loonies.Keeping a united front with all the egos under control is just one of thousands of problems.It's a brave man or woman that even considers embarking on such a task.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 24 September 2006 9:32:32 PM
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"Plagued" by a "few"...

Please Explain arjay.

You can hardly be both.

I've come across more racists (real racists) in the Labor party than in One Nation.
Yes there were a few I came across in One Nation but no more than in any other party... in fact they did their best to turn these people... who were inspired by media and the political party lies... to try and join. The party even used to read the riot act about it at every branch meeting they had in NSW.

BTW arjay a party must start somewhere... according to you it's a waste of time anybody trying. That's a pretty defeatist attitude in my opinion. Anyone joining ON was vilified and tarred and feathered as a racist... it took some pretty brave people to put up with that amount of scaremongering and vilification. I note ON supporters were the ones bashed arjay, not those "good decent folks" trying to stop them from exercising their right to free speech and freedom of association.
Posted by T800, Sunday, 24 September 2006 10:52:14 PM
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T800 I watched the blow by blow Left/Media inspired anti 1 Nation campaign and observed some very evil acts in the process.

On reflection, I have a solution :)

If ever a party with similar aspirations arises, they should take the INITIATIVE and embark on public activism and protests against the REAL racists in the community.

Examples are:

-Some trade unions
-Ethnic Associations

I would take the fight directly to them, and have demonstrations outside their offices, and ensure that the message 'RACISTS' got though to the media.

One Nation simply did not know how to manipulate the media in a 'pro' way.....

We can learn a lot from the left and the gay lobby, about how to magnify and amplify the impact of small numbers by strategic and creative activities.

I've done a few experiments to test this. Like attending (but not participating in) a Socialist Alliance/Palestine Solidarity Network rally in Melb. and I've stood at the entrance to RMIT with posters and interacting with passers by on some issues.

It was quite a rush actually :)

I often quote Tony Campollo in this kind of area. He is a radical Christian in the USA.. phd in Sociology. He was asked once when he was like 50+ "Tony, if you had your time again, what would you do different" ? He replied..... "RISK MORE" and I've taken this to heart.

I saw the ABC shaft 1 Nation on immigration policy. In the evening news, they reported on the 1-N immig spokesperson policy release.
The only thing they said was "1-N spokesperson has confict with the Gov't member on issues" Not a syllable of actual policy point.

Be encouraged. The 'Truth' is out there, and it will eventually be seen.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 25 September 2006 6:28:38 AM
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T800 I'm not trying to discourage you.Just remember that the extremists in your own party{and every party has them} are your greatest enemies.Yes Labor and all it's lefties did a good job of painting One Nation as an extremist Klu klux Klan Party.The Labor party betrayed it's own people and that is why they will remain in the wilderness for some time to come.

There is a need for a party that represents small business,the self employed and middle management who are the real producers of wealth in this country.The Coalition are big business oriented and will continue to tax the life out of us,however I'll continue to vote for discipline and planning over any party that betrays it's own people by pandering to their weakness.

For One Nation to get real traction,you need long term plans and really intelligent,dedicated people to make it work.In the past,One Nation lacked credibility.Pauline was a good person but wasn't articulate enough to gain voters confidence.

The Democrats are all but gone because they moved to the left and The Coalition have moved towards the right taking ground from One Nation.Moving further towards the extreme right will not be smart.One Nation should look at the people who are really working hard and hurting because of Coalition Policies.

You can fill the void left by Labor.
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 25 September 2006 9:25:34 PM
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It's not MY party arjay.
I just think people should know the truth and ON deserves a better epitath than the one they have.

part 1.
In 2001 the Democrats ran a campaign directly against One Nation.

Well of course they did you say... one is evil, one is good. Really? Let’s look at some of the policies and issues they shared.

Did you know, in Transport for example on the "Major Airports in New South Wales” issue. The Democrats did not support the development of a new airport within the Sydney basin. They believed, that integration with fast rail and rail freight transport along with other planned infrastructure development was also necessary. As did One Nation.

In regards to the Environment and Water, the Democrats called for immediate action to halt the continuing degradation of our river systems. Actions must ensure adequate environmental flows and maintain (where it is now adequate) or improve water quality.

One Nation has always linked the problem of Water with infrastructure development, or to be more precise the lack of it. It has "endorsed" the Watering Australia Foundation and infrastructure development ideas in line with it. One Nation realises that increased population is dependent on the management and development of this precious resource.

In regards to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders the Democrats stated they will act to address disadvantage faced by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island people in the areas of health, housing, education and the legal system.

One Nation has always stated that all Australians should be treated fairly and equally on a needs basis
Posted by T800, Monday, 25 September 2006 10:09:39 PM
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part 2.
The Democrats opposed the privatisation of Australia Post. As the provider of essential mail services - particularly services for rural and regional Australia - it is vital that Australia Post's direction and decisions remain in government hands and that profits continue to be returned to all Australians. It also has a similar stance on Telstra - putting important public assets into select private hands is not in Australia's long term interest. For that reason, they opposed the partial sale of Telstra.

Sounds exactly like One Nation policy. One Nation has always opposed selling off assets and parts of Australia. If a company or utility is; essential, profitable, providing a proper service. It sees no reason to sell it off.

In regards to the Constitution and Citizens' Initiated Referenda (CIR), the Democrats state. There is a widespread feeling in the community that politicians do not genuinely listen to their concerns and ideas. This has led to an unacceptable level of disenchantment with the political process. Instead of being proud of a political system that is one of the most stable and least restrictive in the world, Australians are angry at what they see as the powerlessness of ordinary citizens. CIR is one way of giving people at the grassroots access to real political power.

More One Nation rhetoric? CIR is and always has been a One Nation policy. The above states the primary reason that One Nation came about. Ordinary people, having a say, (a direct say) in Government.

In regards to Finance and Taxation, the Democrats support economic independence for Australia, but with so much of our economy either owned or mortgaged to foreigners, our economic independence is under threat.

This is something One Nation has always fought for. The Democrats also state; "For unless we regain our economic independence, our independence as a nation will soon slip away." Something else One Nation has been saying all along
Posted by T800, Monday, 25 September 2006 10:12:04 PM
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As for Fairer Banking, the Democrats supposedly defended the rights of consumers to safe and inexpensive banking. They stated that the interests of bank customers must not be traded off in the interest of bank profitability.

Something else One Nation has been saying. It’s policy was to create a new people’s bank as has recently been done in NZ.

The Democrats believed in reform of the income tax system. They said too much of the tax burden falls on the shoulders of low and middle income earners. At the same time, tax has become virtually optional for high income earners by use of trust or corporate structures, income splitting, and poorly designed tax breaks on their savings and investments.

These issues are all One Nation issues. Making tax fairer and simpler and making business pay their fair share has always been One Nation policy.

In regards to, Infrastructure and National Development, the Democrats believed that increasing public investment in infrastructure is crucial to our nation's future development, job security and wealth creation.

One Nation has always stood for developing Australia - rebuilding manufacturing industries, infrastructure development and increasing development of regional Australia (like the Parkes Air Freight Proposal for example.)

As for the Public Sector, Privatisation and Competition Policy the Democrats said they will oppose privatisation unless it is shown in a public inquiry that there is a clear public benefit.

One Nation has always said this.

The Multilateral Agreement on Investment (MAI) was a policy exposed to the public by Pauline Hanson. The Democrats said that the MAI was unfair and unbalanced because it puts the interests of multinational companies ahead of that of sovereign nations - it threatens Australian Democracy.

Exactly what Pauline and One Nation were saying all along
Posted by T800, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 1:52:08 PM
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part 4

Health. The Democrats support the development of an equitable, efficient and high quality health care system that is accessible to all Australians. In Rural Health the Democrats believe that the Government should provide health funding to rural areas in a way which can be used by rural communities to meet their specific needs, rather than the needs of Governments.

This too is common to One Nation, note that services are to be provided on a needs basis. Something else One Nation has always said.

The Democrats believe in an immigration level which will enable the population of Australia to be stabilised at a level which is consistent with a sustainable environment.

This is also common ground between the parties, even if they differ in areas such as multiculturalism. A policy which One Nation believes allows cultural migration at the expense of Australian culture. Some parties don’t believe there is an Australian culture
Posted by T800, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 1:55:51 PM
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One Nation was the best thing that happened to Australia. Even though it was hounded to death by vested interests and the media it
captured the ethos of Australians. Pauline was hapless in the onslaught on her personally. yet she stood up ,very bravely, to the cowardly attacks on her by the lend lease ferals.
One Nation drove a wedge between the two parties who played political football with our country, One nation gave us hope that we would be listened to----and made sure we were.
We will be forever in its debt.
Posted by mickijo, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 3:52:24 PM
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Australia has been well ahead of its trading partners in the speed and depth of cuts to its tariffs, quotas and bounties. This systematic cutting of protection has been instigated and supported by Labor and the Coalition. As a result, Australia has been flooded by cheap imports, which have decimated Australian industries and cost many thousands of jobs. Australian manufacturers and workers have been placed at a disadvantage to overseas competitors who receive assistance from their governments, and who operate under much lower labour, environmental and occupational health and safety standards.

Why has Australia so drastically cut its Tariffs?
- Strong reductions in tariffs have been a key theme of economic rationalism.
- There is a belief amongst the major parties and senior bureaucrats in the myth of the "level playing field".
- The myth is that industries in all countries can compete with each other on an equal footing without any Government assistance.
- This is fine in theory, but the reality is that most countries support their industries to varying degrees. It is poor social and economic policy for Australia to expose its industries to unfair competition.

Trade liberalisation should be reciprocal not unilateral. We should only reduce our levels of protection at the same rate as our trading partners and competitors.

Sound a lot like One Nation right? Yes, it does. But it was also what the Democrats believed at the time.

What did the Democrats say they would do?
- Tariff cuts must cease immediately and any further reductions must only occur when our trading partners agree to cut their real level of protection to the same as ours;
- Australia's tariff and non-tariff regime must be reviewed to ensure maximum Australian advantage in international trade. That advantage must be measured in social as well as economic terms - in jobs as well as costs and prices.

Sounds an awful lot like One Nation policy and rhetoric. There is no doubt that bipartisan support would be forthcoming on the issues brought up here. Imagine... bipartisan support from One Nation
Posted by T800, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 11:24:59 PM
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part 6.

More from the Democrats on Rural Affairs and Primary Industries. They said; Regional Australia is in crisis; economically, socially and environmentally. Much of the damage done to Regional Australia can be sheeted home to 'flat earth' economists mindlessly pursuing the mantra of the 'level playing field', which has seen industries such as pork and citrus sacrificed, textile, clothing, footwear and metal fabrication industries shut down - all in the face of a flood of imports from countries who either subsidise their exports or produce goods using wage rates and labour standards considered unacceptable in Australia.

Again typically One Nation rhetoric, again strong grounds for bipartisan support.

On Foreign Investment the Democrats said they were not opposed to foreign investment, and welcome investment which has the effect of opening up export opportunities or introduces new technologies. Foreign investment must be judged against two criteria: will it bring a net economic benefit to Australia, and is there a comparable Australian investor available? These tests must be conducted by a strong statutory authority using vigorous, public and accountable processes.

Again almost identical to One Nation rhetoric. Again One Nation would without a doubt support this direction.

As for the magic public Mandate. No party, unless it receives more than 50% of the vote, can claim that it comes to government with a majority of public support for its policies.

Also a One Nation sentiment.

Interesting isn’t it, when you get the facts. It would seem the Democrats are an extreme-right-wing party just like One Nation. Or is it just, that’s the myth other not-so-honest parties wanted you to believe
Posted by T800, Tuesday, 26 September 2006 11:25:50 PM
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If my memory serves me correctly (which it invariably does) One Nation's answer to combating inflation was to print more $$ !!

I really was looking forward to a forced death march across the landscape to political and economic oblivion, led by Ms P Hanson - folks are dumb where I come from.

Zzz
Posted by bockstar, Thursday, 28 September 2006 1:05:25 PM
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One Nation did not die in vain.

It may have been vilified by the media and persecuted through abuse of the legal system, but its message was widely heard and I think to a considerable degree much of it's more popular ideas are filtering their way through the major parties' policy platforms.

Time does not permit me to say more, but Pauline, we salute you.
Posted by Kalin, Thursday, 28 September 2006 5:03:16 PM
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hey bockstar... guess what? Folks are dumb where you come from after all and yes you were wrong in stating that ON said it was going to print money.

Looks like it's back to the drawing board so as you can hang your anti-ON bigotry on another myth.

The party fund-raiser said it to a journo who insisted he answer a question. There was never any such policy and the fund-raiser was told not to answer journos again re policy even in jest.
Posted by T800, Thursday, 28 September 2006 5:34:47 PM
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part 1
NO ANSWERS... they said.

One Nation has been ridiculed, vilified and even condemned for its policies and stances on various things. Yet Noel Pearson for example, gets praised for echoing Pauline Hanson's comments on aboriginal welfare...

Bob Carr may bag One Nation, but he certainly likes our policies.

In January 99, Premier Carr announced Labor will name juvenile offenders.

In December 98, One Nation announced a policy to name juvenile offenders who committed serious offences. This recommendation was publicly disclosed at a very well attended press conference on law and order and clear documents showed our stand.

Premier Carr also announced Labor will return the teaching of Australian History to the school curriculum, in particular our involvement in World War I. The need for emphasis on Australian History including our constitution, system of government, etc. was announced as policy by One Nation over a year ago in January 98.

Nationals Steal Another One Nation Policy.

With only 2 days to go in a State Election the National Party, suddenly discovered that the Native Vegetation Act was a problem and that One Nation's policy is to abolish the Native vegetation act. In their usual manner the National Party, always out of touch with rural concerns until One Nation raises them, simply announced a new policy directly - stolen from One Nation.

From the One Nation policy “BLUE BOOK,” page 25; under Rural and Regional Support and Development, subheading Environment, our policy clearly stated:
One Nation supports the abolition of the Native Vegetation Act.

One Nation’s impact in N.S.W. continued.

Bob Carr came out and said English is the official language in NSW, the description Ethnic is divisive, outdated and demeaning. Imagine what would have happened if One Nation had said that.

When the new Labor Minister Eddie Obeid spoke the other day in defence of Bob Carr's change of the Ethnic Affairs portfolio name to the new title CITIZENSHIP, it was a speech taken right out of the many works published by One Nation and was the same as speeches given on many occasions by Pauline Hanson herself
Posted by T800, Thursday, 28 September 2006 11:20:48 PM
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part 2.
One Nation calls for a referendum on Badgery's Creek alternatives, 18th August 1999.

Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party has today re-affirmed its long-standing policy of opposition to Badgery's Creek airport and points to viable lternatives. "The Sydney basin needs more aircraft and road traffic congestion like a hole in the head," said Brian Burston, spokesman for One Nation. "We point to positive proposals that lots of people want. For example, Lithgow wants an airport at Newnes with a very fast train (VFT) to Sydney, while the people of Goulburn and Parkes would not say no to an airport and VFT either. "Why not give people what they want? After all, that's what democracy is meant to be about!" said Brian Burston.

Funnily enough it only took the Government 4 years to catch up to One Nation, Badgery's Creek was finally shelved in September 2003.

As you can see... in most things it is the Coalition or Labor Governments that are doing the catching up to One Nation.

In radio interviews with Alan Jones and Howard Sattler in 2001. Pauline Hanson stated that "we must declare Christmas Island a neutral zone". Well shortly after,
the Government excised from the immigration zone, quite a few islands north of Australia. Leading Pauline Hanson to say that John Howard was “stealing” her policies.

When John Howard said “We will decide who comes to Australia,” whose words was he echoing?

From Pauline Hanson’s maiden speech;”Of course, I will be called racist but, if I can invite whom I want into my home, then I should have the right to have a say in
who comes into my country.” Of course... she was. Was John Howard
Posted by T800, Thursday, 28 September 2006 11:23:15 PM
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part 3
People’s Bank - just another “bad” policy from One Nation?

Anyone remember when the Commonwealth Bank was the “People’s” Bank? The idea was that the Australian people’s money was to be made available at low
interest for appropriate job producing development. This great idea, which also happens to have been One Nation policy from its very beginning. It was an idea, repeatedly attacked by the Howard Government and others, yet now that AXA has announced their joint venture in banking, the critics are suddenly silent.

New Zealand liked the idea enough to start their own "people's" bank.

On page 15 of the One Nation policy Blue Book. A People’s Bank is not a profit making entity, but a responsible use of nationally owned funds to finance productive development in the interest of the Australian people.

The Australian Government has the capacity to create a “People’s” Bank but the Liberal Coalition and the Labor Party are very reliant on donations from the major banks and of course they wouldn’t want to create much needed competition for their donors: would they
Posted by T800, Thursday, 28 September 2006 11:28:28 PM
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Curfew or hypocrisy?

Remember the ridicule and the hue and cry when Pauline Hanson mentioned the word CURFEW?

Take a look at this then... Today Tonight, Councillor calls for youth curfew, May 23 2003. "When the sun goes down Australia's favourite holiday playground turns into a violent hotspot. Now one local councillor on Queensland's Gold Coast is calling for a curfew on teenagers in a bid to curb the violence. Cr McDonald wants teenagers banned from being out after 10pm."

The 7:30 Report, 30/06/2003. Opinions differ on Northbridge curfew. “The WA Government has introduced a curfew to get young people off the streets of Perth's entertainment district. The curfew came into effect on Saturday night, giving police the power to remove anyone under the age of 16 from the streets of Northbridge, whether they're breaking the law or simply
hanging out with friends.”

The Associated Press September 4, 2003. Brogden calls for u-14 curfew. “A curfew to keep children under 14 off the streets after 10pm should be tried in NSW, Opposition leader John Brogden said today.”

“Mr Brogden used his opening statement to the Summit on Alcohol Abuse in state parliament to repeat a call he made during a trip to rural NSW last month. "I don't think there is anything wrong in saying parents of 11-, 12-, and 14-year-olds should know where their children are. And, if they're out on the streets late at night, they should be taken to a community facility where their parent, parents or guardian should be called to collect them," he said. ”How can any parent or any organisation justify children under 14 on the streets late at night."

So other people can call for curfews. State Labor (W.A.) can actually bring one in and a State Liberal Leader (N.S.W.) can call for it. Just as long as it isn't Pauline Hanson or One Nation. You can smell the hypocrisy
Posted by T800, Friday, 29 September 2006 10:24:33 PM
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Liberals Adopt One Nation Family Law Policy.

One Nation Senator Len Harris has congratulated the government for adopting his party’s policy on family law reform, which would give divorced parents joint custody of their children.

Senator Harris introduced legislation to amend the Family Law Act on 20 June last year. His Family Law Amendment (Joint Residency) Bill 2002 would negate the need for parents to fight for the right to equal parenting. “It’s good to see that the government is actively listening to One Nation, the voice of the people,” Senator Harris said from Canberra today. The government’s announcement yesterday on family law reform strongly reflects Senator Harris’ initiative.

HOWARD GOVERNMENT ADOPTS ANOTHER ONE NATION POLICY.

From the Daily Telegraph of June 2, 2003. "ATSIC will virtually cease to exist under changes recommended by a Government ordered review. Most of the power of the 18 member board will be transferred to "local communities".

ATSIC had a budget previously of $1,200,000,000 (1.2 billion dollars). Last month the Government took away from ATSIC control over its budget."

Pauline Hanson's Maiden Speech, Sept 10, 1996. Over 7 years ago... "This is why I am calling for ATSIC to be abolished. It is a failed, hypocritical and discriminatory
organisation that has failed dismally the people it was meant to serve".

Where is ATSIC today?

From One Nation's Federal site...

The Labor Opposition has said they will save Medicare from the Government. How do they say they will do this? Their current stance is a leaf straight out of One Nation Policy. Our Policy has always been to pursue the best interests of the Australian public as a whole. It makes very clear that funding will be redirected from Private Health Care support. It will be spent in supporting Bulk Billing GPs so that all Australian families can see a Doctor when they need to. One Nation will always preserve the high standards of health care all Australians expect. We will never let it be a case of more money buys better care.

Seems that other Party's do believe in One Nation Policies after all
Posted by T800, Saturday, 30 September 2006 10:13:19 AM
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BACKWARDS LOOKING... they said.

How often did you here the plaintive cry that One Nation was "backward" or “backwards” looking? What did that mean? Was it supposed to be a bad thing?

When we recognise those who have gone before us... is that a bad thing?

When we pay homage to those who have sacrificed their very lives for us... is that a bad thing?

When standards of the past (that are higher than those of today) are aimed for... is that a bad thing?

When past mistakes are recognised... is that a bad thing?

History teaches us valuable lessons... those who ignore the past... risk making the same mistakes. (Over and over... again)
Posted by T800, Saturday, 30 September 2006 10:16:29 AM
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Here is a typical example of an attack by those of the political left:

Quote:
"The Hansonite social vision is profoundly backwards-looking, based on a yearning for the “certainties” of a long gone era.” The vision is a crude one, the main planks of which were Economic Protectionism and the White Australia Policy, which excluded Asians and relegated Aborigines to the margins of white society. Australia was to be a “New Britannia” down under and during the post-war boom of the 1950s and ‘60s it seemed that the goal was reached."

Well, I suppose if you're Liberal supporter, that makes you a Howardite. If your a Labor supporter, (and he's still leader that is) a Creanite. The objectifying, name-calling and arrogant contempt of those who fear One Nation, is obvious. (Update - you'd now be a Lathamite.)

But where is the truth?

Is certainty of... say... employment... a bad thing?

Is... less crime... a bad thing?

Is putting Australians and Australian industries first... a bad thing?

Until Federation each State was a British colony.

The "White Australia policy" existed... it was NOT and is NOT... One Nation policy.

If being a largely British based society is what was meant by "New Britannia," then yes, we were. Even though such a term, may be one used only by the anglophobic.

One Nation doesn’t deny what we were or see it as anything to fear. One Nation’s vision is not of Australia being a “New Britannia” but an Australia... populated
by Australians

The Hanson, or more importantly, the One Nation “social vision” for Australia, is declared in its name... One Nation. With social equality for all Australians
Posted by T800, Saturday, 30 September 2006 10:18:43 AM
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"The past is dead. Unemployment was low. Migrants - most of them from Britain and Ireland or western Europe - “knew their place”. Multiculturalism was unheard of and Aboriginals were out of sight and out of mind."

So, is low unemployment... a bad thing?

Is social harmony... a bad thing?

Who wants any Australian, whether aboriginal or not... kept "out of sight and out of mind"... NOT One Nation.

After all, One Nation came into being to give the politically unrepresented a voice.

Economic rationalists say;
Quote:
“Protectionism is a thing of the past. Tariff barriers have to be taken down. Free market, globalisation, deregulation, privatisation, the "level" playing field.”

Economic rationalism has run riot under both Liberal and Labor. Australian manufacturing and other industries have been destroyed. Is that good planning for our future?

One Nation have policies to rebuild Australian manufacturing industries and primary industries.

Value adding to products should be done, by Australians in Australia.

Industries in their infancy benefit from protectionism. This is a well known fact.

Is providing protection for new industries or those yet unable to compete with bigger, older companies backward looking? Or is it building a future for Australia and Australians?

One Nation backed the Union call for “Fair Trade” not “Free Trade.” Did the Unions back One Nation?

One Nation opposed the MAI and opposes GATS. It understands it will undermine Australia’s sovereignty and Australian workers rights. Is this looking backwards?
Or just looking after Australians?

If the major parties had their way the MAI would have been accepted. If they have their way, GATS will be accepted. If that happens then everyone will be looking
back in a few years... wondering how it happened. Will they then say... One Nation was right we should have listened
Posted by T800, Sunday, 1 October 2006 12:02:13 PM
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The cracks in that policy they call Multiculturalism are widening every day. One Nation opposes it as a divisive social policy. Backwards looking? People at the multicultural coal-face know it’s not.

One Nation called for an end to increases in immigration numbers. Similarly have the Democrats and the Greens. How sustainable is our current population?

Are we providing the services needed and the infrastructure needed to sustain a higher population

Do we have enough WATER to sustain a higher population?

What has been done to lessen the effects of drought?

One Nation has looked forward, NOT backward.

When will any government address our infrastructure problems? Will their lack of vision, their backward thinking, condemn us to a bleak, dry, overpopulated future? Where big Multinationals tell our government what to do? Where world bodies such as the UN or the WTO have usurped our sovereignty?

There is only one alternative.

When all other parties have pandered to the Green vote. One Nation has tried to get common sense into the debate. How many more record bushfire seasons do we have to have before people start to listen?

Why is it that One Nation policies are adopted by the other parties? Why is it always after One Nation? Seems it’s the other parties that are often behind when it
comes to policy.

Seems that in every level of politics that solution is not to fix the problem. Short sightedness limits them to the next election. There is no real infrastructure planning. There is only government for the here and now. Yet they say One Nation is "backward looking". What does that make them then? Blind?

They live in the moment. There is no past and no future. You learn from the past and plan for the future.

Was One Nation...
Backward looking?

Don’t you believe it!
Posted by T800, Sunday, 1 October 2006 12:02:54 PM
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T800,

Glad you got all that off your chest. Good luck getting anyone to read it.
Posted by Kalin, Monday, 2 October 2006 4:49:22 PM
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Yes, I suppose on a site like this you are right.
But the truth is there for anyone to read at least.

Unfortunately for One Nation they were unfunded amateurs that came up against too much prejudice and political bias. I've never seen such propaganda and scaremongering about another political party in Australia ever. I have heard though that the DLP suffered a similar fate.
Posted by T800, Monday, 2 October 2006 5:06:20 PM
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The scaremongering was totally unprecedented in my memory of Australian politics, which I admit is only 20 or so years, however carry on of the media only reflects how powerful the message of One Nation actually was.

While one nation were too politically naive to succeed as a party, as a movement it should be credited as a great success. It really did provide a wake-up call for the major parties.

I take it from your long winded vent you are somehow affiliated with the party. Is that why you are so passionate?
Posted by Kalin, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 2:59:03 PM
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I was a member for a while... I thought I could lend a hand, heaven knows they needed it.

I joined after I checked them out and found they weren't a bunch of redneck racists as the media and other parties wanted you to think.

I just don't like people being vilified and treated the way they were for no good reason.
Posted by T800, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 5:53:51 PM
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Well I was never a real supporter, (I suspect I directed my preferences to them) but I was appalled at the way Pauline Hanson was attacked merely for speaking her mind on issues that have been forbidden by the PC media police but which are of great concern to the wider public. Totally undemocratic.

IMO, Pauline's later imprisonment marks the lowest ebb in Australia's political history. Tony Abbott is completely unfit to be involved in our political system for his role in funding the legal action which resulted in her prosecution. I hope some day some government has the guts to compensate her, but I won't hold my breath.

I didn't agree with everything One Nation was about, but I certainly respect the people who brought the whole thing about for their willingness and courage to raise issues and concerns which had long been off limits to the main stream politicians. That's what democracy is about. Don't be disheartened and never give up the fight.
Posted by Kalin, Thursday, 5 October 2006 11:16:35 AM
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Bockstar..28 sept...bloody funny mate)
Posted by yareckon?, Saturday, 7 October 2006 2:24:11 PM
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Bokstar 28th... and proven TOTALLY WRONG... ROTFLMAO.

Ah yes the never let the truth stop a good story brigade. Any time anyone cares to debate a real point feel free.
Posted by T800, Saturday, 7 October 2006 5:08:14 PM
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T800,
Firstly, congrats on an excellant effort in dispelling some of the myths about One Nation policys.

The media gave Pauline and ON a lot of early publicity but soon the wishes of media proprieters came into play. When Murdock told his staff to "kill the cow" nothing further was written about ON unless it was disparaging. Media motive was financial. They get millions of dollars in advertising from Liberal and Labor, state and federal, and the Governments, so why would they not support the views of their best customers.
The journalists acted in a disgraceful manner. What could not be taken out of context or a different spin put on it, was simply made up in many cases. Anyone could get a by-line by writing anything knocking ON.

People like Downer, Abbott and Tim Fischer used parliamentry privilage to make the most outrageous claims about ON. Fischer even claimed that ON had connections to the kkk in the USA.

Lord Mayor of Brisbane, Jim Sooley, spent a week in Sydney doing the rounds of the media, saying the he knew who was behind ON and he was going to expose it all. The media welcomed him with open arms and gave him lots of exposure. Of course nothing came of that as the only people behind ON were ordinary Australians.

I remain convinced that the jailing of Pauline and David Ettridge was political and that Abbott and Co were behind it,in colusion with the Beattie Government. We do not have to look overseas to find corruption and lack of justice.

All the parties colluded to put ON candidates last on their "how to vote" papers at elections.

The biggest issue against ON was the continued call of racist, racist which was difficult to counter at the time, although incorrect. Some may be interested to know that ON had at least two aboriginy canditates and one lebanese candidate.

The demise of ON was Australia's loss
Posted by Banjo, Sunday, 8 October 2006 11:19:13 AM
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Yes Banjo and thanks... the NSW Branch I was a member of was like the UN... Italians, Dutch, Argentinian, Australian, part Aboriginal, Greek, Filipino, British, German, no one had to try very hard to see that the racist slur was baseless.
Posted by T800, Sunday, 8 October 2006 3:14:11 PM
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I think it's great that no one has been able to successfully refute anything here about one nation. But then many of those still living in denial will do what they've always done... ignore the truth.
Posted by T800, Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:00:06 AM
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Good stuff T800.

The treatment of One Nation by all political opponents, media and a large part of the general populace will go down as a dark event in Australia’s history, in much the same way as we now view the stolen generations saga and similar things.
Posted by Ludwig, Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:55:24 AM
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Trouble with one nation, it was run by a bunch of ignorant hicks.. the fact that theyd been branded as racist is testament to that. They were never able to articulate exactly what they stood for without seeming and looking racist..I mean if it walks like a duck?...well u see my point.

And any credibility on the economic side of things ..well Bockstar did say it so well..'print more money'...

I still cant believe they actually said that.

One Nation tried to run a racist agenda and Im sorry but not everyone agrees with you T800.

I mean Pauline Hanson looked stupid..very weird looking eyes..it is about presentation like it or not.That 'deer in the headlights' stare did nothing to make her look more intelligent..and her lips were twisted and mean looking.She had a mean witchlike evil stepmother look..all that was missing was the wart on the nose.
Posted by taurus29, Thursday, 12 October 2006 4:48:03 PM
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Factually incorrect taurus, perhaps you should reread the topic before commenting. BTW Bockstar was factually wrong and I already pointed that out... miss it did you?

There were a few very clever and intelligent people in ON. people who used to belong in other parties. Their Blue Book which you probably never saw and the media never reported on explained quite a few things very well.

The propaganda was just that... only the naive and ignorant these days seem to believe it.

As usual I give you the chance to refute or argue the point on anything... however I feel repeating something already shown to be completely wrong is just living in denial and wasting everyone's time.
Posted by T800, Thursday, 12 October 2006 5:16:44 PM
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Dear Taurus, would you mind backing up your "ON tried to run a racist agenda" with at least one fact ?

Can you find in anything other than the Leftist media hype, anything resembling a 'fact' in terms of their policy ?

This I just HAVE to see :)

Tell you what I DID see.. the ABC edited the release of ON immigration policy, when it aired the story in evening prime time, and all the viewers saw was a 'head' (ON Immig spokeswoman) and a statement "THe ON immig rep has strong conflict with Ruddock" not a SKERIC of actual policy reported. Item one on their policy was 'Immig must be POPULATION based'... u find this racist ?

Do you find "All Australians should be treated equally" racist ?

my my.. how far they have deteriorated.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Friday, 13 October 2006 10:04:22 AM
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Bockstar was right about them wanting to solve the cash flow problems with..'we'll print more money'..i remember that myself..come on guys..they were ignorant and played into the hands of the lowest common denominator...racists and bigots..they were ONs main supporters.

Pauline Hanson was simply echoing what these ignorant bigots were saying around their morning cuppas...thats why she had their support..she was simplistic and ignorant and yes, racist.

Nothing wrong with racial debate, but it must be tempered with sensitivity and wisdom..otherwise a nation is divided and unrest soon prevails..noone ie best served by this scenario and thats what they were doing.
Posted by taurus29, Saturday, 14 October 2006 11:05:33 AM
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taurus you obviously don't know anything about One Nation. You obviously haven't read all the information I have provided for you. You obviously didn't even read the refutation of bokstar's rubbish. Why should ZI waste my time refuting stuff you post that has already been explained and refuted?

"Bockstar was right about them wanting to solve the cash flow problems with..'we'll print more money'.."

No he/she was wrong. as are you... i already explained it.

"they were ignorant and played into the hands of the lowest common denominator...racists and bigots..they were ONs main supporters."

I don't consider myself the lowest common denominator. In fact many members I know are patently more intelligent than you appear to be. They weren't racists a point I have already refuted nor were they bigots unlike those working dishonestly against them.

"Pauline Hanson was simply echoing what these ignorant bigots were saying around their morning cuppas...thats why she had their support..she was simplistic and ignorant and yes, racist."

I suppose she wasn't a very good racist them as she worked with and left an asian friend in charge of her fish and chip shop. As for Hanson... she wasn't the only member of One Nation. Many were better educated and used to belong to other parties. OMG... don't tell me other partyies had racist members... heaven forbid.

"Nothing wrong with racial debate, but it must be tempered with sensitivity and wisdom."

Things you so far have failed to present.

Gee i wonder what "One Nation" means? Would it have anything to do with Unity? Educate yourself taurus and go read the topic from the beginning instead of wasting my time replying to ignorant rubbbish based on propaganda and lies.
Posted by T800, Saturday, 14 October 2006 11:47:20 AM
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If you refuted Bockstars point and not Bockstar him/herself then it holds no water, still simply your veiw. Your dictorial tone doesnt serve you well T800..."i told you'..not polite language in anyones estimation.

I am able to recall as well as you can the very unfortunate debut of ON and all the crap surrounding it..kids being attacked in school yards where I lived at the time because of the villification ON was espousing then

The fact you say ON was a valid political party says more about you than maybe youd care to reveal if you were sitting in my seat.

You can surf the net and find all manner of rubbish to 'support ' your point re: these weirdos but then on the net we could find the exact same support for Hitler and his ethnic cleansing as well.
Posted by taurus29, Saturday, 14 October 2006 1:21:38 PM
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And T800..so Im forcing you to respond to my posts?
Posted by taurus29, Saturday, 14 October 2006 1:24:32 PM
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Dear Taurus... in all your posts so far since I asked you to supply at least one 'fact' about Paulines/ON's 'racist' policies you have done nothing but call her names.

Please..again.. A FACT :) c'mon.. now that cannot be too hard.

please..try.

*waits*
Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 14 October 2006 2:00:15 PM
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Boaz my dear chap...I did say that children in my town were being racially attacked in schools when all the hype surrounding that awful person was at its peak..that is fact..as is the 'fact' that the whole community I lived in was in fear of racial tensions getting out of hand..as is the fear that a lot of pple felt ostracised and didnt feel safe in teir enviroment or world..

These are facts my man and the most important ones..
Dont feed me reports and stats on this program and that report.. the only facts that pple on the ground were are and should be concerned about was what was happening in their communities and the ugly debate that was emerging.

Aboriginal people felt very threatened by her rhetoric as it is pple such as they who already lived in an unstable racially charged atmosphere to begin.

Dont give me reports and stats..
I deal in the human condition and how it effects real pple and that is the perspective I am coming from..

Going back to you other thread BOAZ regarding the plight of Abl pple in QLD..it is pple like that that dealt with the fallout of Ms Hanson..regardless of her political leanings and agenda, real or perceived.
She was regarded as a racist no matter what stats you and T800 put up.

This line of thought would appear to be at odds with the tone of the thread I mentioned I do believe this questions your credibility.
So what is it you stand for BOAZ..some fact if you plse.

My facts are my experience and not some questionabley sourced article or program running agendas of their own.
Posted by taurus29, Saturday, 14 October 2006 4:01:14 PM
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if you cant debate the FACTS taurus, just go away and stop wasting everyones time.

You have failed repeated ly to show anything that backs up your OPINION. Whilst I supply facts and experience and knowledge of the organisation involved.

Were you ever a member? No...
Do you know anything of the FACTS I presented (even now)? NO...

You are therefore a BIGOT taurus... you slander and libel those who dissented from the PC leftist social point of view but failed to see that ON was actually traditional ALP in most policy.

I don't have to go back and search the Internet for answers I have gathered all the information firsthand.

Now go away and name-call somwhere else where your ignorance of the facts and self-denial of them wont be noticed.

The only people bashed during One Nations time were people trying to attend One Nation meetings. I have personally sat through media and University stage managed protests by radicals and involving children who wouldn't know what a racist actually is... you say hanson is a racist... I prove she's not... you still say she is... who has the problem taurus?
Posted by T800, Saturday, 14 October 2006 4:56:29 PM
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One more time for the... well you get the picture.

Well it is too late for anything to save what once was One Nation but that's not my point in writing this.

Seems that the party still gets frequently mentioned here... but also as apparent is the lack of any real understanding of the party.

Since its inception One Nation had born the brunt of more hypocrisy and dishonesty that any other party in recent times.

RACISTS - the big lie...

Before One Nation was even formed Pauline Hanson was labelled a racist. Cries rang out in Parliament House before she had even finished her maiden speech. The racist LIE was born.

But this political ploy had been used for years by the “left” to silence debate on issues such as immigration and multiculturalism.

A racist is someone who holds the belief that one race is superior to another.

There is NO One Nation policy, so based.

Let’s make that point one more time, to make it perfectly clear...

There is/was... NO One Nation policy, so based.

The politically correct have lied and corrupted the English language in their attempt to control and stifle debate in Australia.

One Nation - extreme right wing...

Really? A quick look at One Nation policies since it’s inception would have quickly put an end to that lie.

But who really knows what One Nation’s policies were? It’s so much easier to just believe what others say.

One Nation has NO answers...

How often have we heard that one? Yet we have governments both federal and state adopting One Nation policies.

How many times have things One Nation warned about come to pass?

Backward looking...

One Nation wanted to drag Australia back to the past. Really? At a time when the major parties thought infrastructure development was too difficult and the Democrats didn’t even know what it was. One Nation was asking why not? It was One Nation who wanted to rebuild our manufacturing base here in Australia for our children’s future
Posted by T800, Sunday, 15 October 2006 10:39:28 AM
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T800

You havent proved anything to me ..nor refuted anything..nor put me in my place..

The only one who actually knows for sure if shes racist is Pauline herself..SHE is the ONLY one..

I only commented on happenings in our community at the time that were as a direct result of debate swirling round ON. That is fact and yes, IT DID happen..and you also refuted that..see why I place no credibility in the things you prove and refute?You refuted a point I knew to be fact and you werent here..I think youd also be 'magpied' by fools gold?You refuted back to me MY experience..what the?

Kids were bashed in schools and you would know this as it was also reported in the evening news in many parts..

You can go on to defend and flog a dead horse T800..Its clear you are bored and have nothing better to do with your time..but then the 'longest thread cup' may go to you yet?..Fame.
Posted by taurus29, Sunday, 15 October 2006 11:06:13 AM
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taurus 29,
From your posts on thread on multiculturalism, you have shown yourself to be an idiot who tries to laugh it off when he is beaten.
Best you be ignored in future.
Posted by Banjo, Sunday, 15 October 2006 12:53:06 PM
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Sorry Banjo..I am far from beaten..this whole arguement is a stuffing nonsense..Pauline Hanson and ON, resembled The Punch and Judy show to me and she had a look very reminiscent of dear Judy herself I do believe..those eyes.

You guys can all stick together..I mean your superior intellect is something to behold.

Pauline hitler..er Hanson should be frimly in the past now where she belongs..NOW you can ignore me..the one who is so ignorant of 'facts' and irrefutable proof..:)
Posted by taurus29, Sunday, 15 October 2006 2:40:12 PM
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Oh dear, here we go again. For starters Pauline Hanson isn't One Nation, it was made up of lots of members and supporters.

Pauline was asked to front the anti-dicrimination tribunal several times and each time was exonnerated.

You keep throwing mud, for who knows why taurus, but all you do is prove your ignorance on the subject.

As for your unsubstantiated claims taurus how about you post some references eh? I can counter claim re members of ON that were teachers being given a very bad time at some high schools. BTW I have never seen and I read most Australian Newspapers daily any reports of ON inspired rioting etc.... ON even went as far as to distance itself from racism and groups and individuals spurred on by the media to believe they had a racist agenda... How would I know? I was a member unlike yourself.

Like banjo I think even trying to reason with you is a complete waste of time.
Posted by T800, Sunday, 15 October 2006 3:48:13 PM
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'Oh dear here we go again..Pauline Hanson isnt One Nation'..T800...me dont care..its all a bit tacky..

And you were a MEMBER?
Posted by taurus29, Sunday, 15 October 2006 4:29:53 PM
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I thought we were debunking One Nation guys...you know..the myths?
Posted by taurus29, Wednesday, 18 October 2006 4:21:18 PM
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Hanson is back... or so it seems.
The Hanson Haters are back too.

One would have thought by this time some sort of rationality would have joined the debate.

Oh well time to post a few truths again.

Hanson isn't One Nation, or visa versa... but they were both badly vilified for the same reasons in the past.
Posted by T800, Monday, 11 December 2006 2:38:01 PM
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It's been my experience the Hanson Haters have never gone away.
Too many would lose too much face to admit they were wrong...
Posted by T800, Friday, 23 March 2007 4:40:00 PM
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