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The Dutch Result
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Posted by BAYGON, Friday, 17 March 2017 9:28:50 AM
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Can't agree with you there BAYGON, both Wilders and Hanson made good steady gains, Hansom out polling the Greens for example, which is much better than any meteoric rise, with the attendant poor candidate selection that tends to bring.
Their success, before & after these elections have forced changes in policy of the majors, that wouldn't have happened otherwise. In fact I think we are only at the beginning of a major swing away from the so called progressive bunch. It has taken a while for the majority to even start to see the all the dirt behind the gloss with these near communists socialists, but people are waking up to the danger now, & more will do so over time. Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 20 March 2017 4:09:57 PM
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Yes it is generally acknowledged that Wilders has moved the two main conservative parties to the right. My central thesis is that the solutions that people like Wilders, Trump and Hanson advance are by and large unrealistic but that does not mean that the problems can be ignored.
My real concern is that both here and elsewhere people are too quick to dismiss the concerns that prompts people to vote for Hanson et al - creating an environment which only serves to destabilize. Posted by BAYGON, Monday, 20 March 2017 5:22:37 PM
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At least they're advancing solutions.
Not skipping obliviously down the Utopian Fantasy path that caused this disillusionment in the first place. No more utopias! Posted by Shockadelic, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 8:33:43 AM
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Each attack will increase their support.
There has not yet been a major attack killing dozens in Holland. The Turk political ralleys even tipped the Dutch government over. That was a demonstration of what moslem immigration is really about. Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 5:28:26 PM
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Here's an interesting insight:
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/13/world/europe/netherlands-election-muslims.html?_r=0 Taken from the link: "When you tell people their problem is their identity, it's who they are, there's no room to talk about real issues like forced marriage, radicalisation, domestic violence..." Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 6:01:32 PM
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Both Wilders and Hanson have a tendency to advance simplistic and unworkable solutions to real problems. An electoral defeat does not mean that the problems have gone away. A close look at the Dutch result shows that Wilders enjoyed support among those people who are doing it tough. Although the Dutch economy like Australia's is doing well the reality is that many folk are left behind. Likewise if we look at Trump's result you can see that the places where he was strongest were those areas that had missed out on prosperity. Similarly here in Australia - One Nation's main support comes from those areas of Australia that have missed out on our prosperity.
The real danger of the Dutch result is that mainstream politicians will assume that it is business as usual.
This is also evident in the Dutch result - there are a number of small parties which won seats which have picked up on some of Wilders concerns for example Denk a predominantly Muslim party won 3 seats on a platform of addressing problems of social inequality, similarly the Forum for Democratie won 2 seats on a platform of demanding that politicians are responsive to the needs of all.
What the Dutch election highlights is that there is a deep seated disillusionment with the capacity of governments to create a fair and equitable society.