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Posted by leoj, Saturday, 11 March 2017 12:55:29 PM
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Hi Steele,
No, I'm taking the position that there hasn't been any evidence that it happened. When some is presented, I'll gladly believe the story. Why ? Because it will be backed up by evidence. But I can't accept anything just on faith, not being religious. Not just on a story alone. Evidence. of some sort. Of any valid sort. Especially some documentation. Yes, thank you, without any evidence, a story is a charming myth. No more than that. I don't believe in Little Red Riding Hood either, although I have no particular love of wolves. Seriously, do YOU have any evidence ? Then why do you believe it ? Because it would be a nice, un-racist, thing to do for an Aboriginal lady ? Well, you might have a good heart but I doesn't say much about your brain, no offence. You suggest: "I consider your stance on this story and that despite all the evidence and testimony not a single half-caste child could be considered stolen in this country's history, to be markedly offensive and ultra rightwing." No probs, Steele: just find some evidence, and I'll be happy to believe. Why ? Because the evidence will, I hope, confirm the story. No more, no less. Of course, if you can't provide any evidence, then, as my dear old grandmother would say, you can kiss my hairy arse. Cheers, Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 11 March 2017 1:00:24 PM
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Dearest Foxy,
Then all they have to do is get hold of their files, and present them to the appropriate court. My wife had no trouble getting held of hers. End of. Love, Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 11 March 2017 1:02:42 PM
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Dear Joe,
They have already proven their case. Our former Prime Minister apologised to them on our behalf. Did you not watch it on TV? It made the news. And was covered in all the media. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 11 March 2017 1:07:36 PM
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Dearest Foxy,
Well, one bloke has. I'm not aware of any other successful cases. Please elucidate :) I think I've just blown my fourth post :) I'd better make it worthwhile: I was raised in a communist household. We didn't think we were religious (of course, we were, but were praying to a different god). Since those ancient times, the entire world has witnessed a combined hundreds of years of 'real socialism' and the people at the higher end of the IQ bell curved have decided that it doesn't work, and never will. It is a pathway to fascism, not perhaps as direct as pure fascism or Nazism but you'll still get there eventually. Quite quickly sometimes: cf. Pol Pot. But it wasted decades of my misspent life, working that out. Never again. So I'm very chary of 'believing' without question, believing just out of my innate good nature. I've witnessed too many scams and don't want to be taken in yet again during my last few years. But if a story is fair dinkum, why shouldn't there be evidence ? In fact, how could there possibly be NO evidence ? If there is none, then why believe ? Not-believing is as valid as believing in that case. In the RPF case, there SHOULD be ample evidence. In the SG case, there would be ample files: as many people have complained, Aboriginal people are the most documented people in history. So there are files. Oodles of them. [Some people have even more than one oodle]. Present them to a court. Love, Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 11 March 2017 1:28:25 PM
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Dear Joe,
The Creative Spirits website regarding Stolen Generation Members and court cases tells us that most members of the Stolen Generations will find that a successful pursuit of a civil claim through the courts is technically impossible, or simply too painful. "Suing governments is hard, brutally hard, especially for people who are damaged," says Julian Burnside, a human Rights lawyer and activist. For many claimants records might not exist or have been destroyed or lost which makes it very hard if not impossible. Witnesses might have passed on. Relevant documents have been, and still are controlled by governments and institutions. Plaintiffs must also endure "hostile cross-examination" and intense scrutiny of their private lives and those of their family including health and social problems that they might have suffered as a result of their removal. "Compensation is not what everyone wants - we need healing centres across Australia so people can move on and heal their incessant pain." (Brenda McDonnell, 64 member of the Stolen Generations). Or as Noel Pearson, Aboriginal Elder stated, "Those people stolen from their families who feel entitled to compensation will never be able to move on. Black fellas will get the words, the white fellas will keep the money." Syd Jackson (famous footballer player and member of the Stolen Generations agreed - as did many others). This was proven by the Fairbridge Farm School, a case of selective compensation in Australia where the similarities of both their case and those of the Stolen Generations are compelling. The Fairbridge Farm School case gave $24 million to child migrants (of solid British stock) in compensation. The Stolen Generations - have received zero. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-29/fairbridge-farm-school-child-migrants-paid-24-million/6580104 Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 12 March 2017 12:51:32 AM
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That is the problem with freedom and democracy, people are not being obliged to believe and do what you say.
Hence the need for s18C and the thought police.