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Writing off fiction for fact

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* IF they were the three little girls who ran away in early August, 1931, their absences would have been recorded.

* IF they were eventually found and returned to Moore River, those absences and renewal of attendances would have been recorded.

* IF they ran away from Moore River, reached Nullagine or Jigalong, and were then brought back to Moore River, say early the next year, their long absence and re-enrolment would have been recorded on the School Roll.

* If they reached the Pilbara, but were allowed to stay, perhaps (and according to documentation) because their mothers didn't want them to be returned, they would not have showed up again on the Moore River School Roll - unless their mothers changed their minds.

So, if someone is in Perth and has a few weeks free time, perhaps they could check out the State Archives; I think they are now housed in the State Library in James Street, near the Museum.

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 9 March 2017 9:50:09 AM
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Dear Loudmouth,

You wrote;

“IF they were the three little girls who ran away in early August, 1931”

God save us man. Really?

From the Department of Native Affairs file no.173/30

In a letter dated 4th August 1931 and addressed to Constable Riggs from Neville;

“the three girls...arrived safely … Daisy, Molly and Chissy [Gracie] at Moore River Native Settlement. The girls seem very scared of the other children, and require watching to prevent them running away.”

Then this in a newspaper a week later;

“The Chief Protector of Aborigines (Mr. A..O. Neville) is concerned about three native girls, ranging from eight to 15 years of age, who, a week ago, ran away from the Moore River Native Settlement, Mogumber. They came 'in from the Nullagine district recently, Mr. Neville said yesterday, and, being very timid, were scared by their new quarters, apparently, and fled in the hope of getting back home.”
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/32369233?searchTerm=neville%20protector&searchLimits=exactPhrase|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1931-01-01|||dateTo=1931-12-01|||sortby

I understand this is difficult for you to accept but could you please tell us why you think there is any possibility these were not the same girls? I realise that if you were to work really hard you might be able to construct another narrative but you sir are looking like a fool.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 9 March 2017 10:16:29 AM
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Hi Steele,

Just eliminating the possibility that another three little girls were involved, amongst the possible options. I'm assuming that they weren't, that 'our' girls were the ones who ran away from Moore River between the 4th and, say, the 9th of August 1931.

So, what do you think of the idea ? That somebody locates the Moore River School Roll in the State Archives, and checks it for those girls' attendance in and around that time ?

For someone to register as a User at the Archives might take only a few minutes, then they might have to wait, perhaps a couple of hours, for the staff to find the file, and a minute or two to find the right page, and bingo ! Half a day's research !

That should clinch it, one way or the other, don't you think ?

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 9 March 2017 10:48:24 AM
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Not where some have a vested interest, even if 'only' psychological, in keeping a fable alive.

There is no accident in having it as a text for primary and secondary students.

Meanwhile the BBC is forced into making a cringing apology for lifting the rug on the indigenous boozing (and violence) that is 24/365 in country towns. Where small children lock themselves in rooms at night, or hide together somewhere in an effort to escape the horrors that will befall them anyway at the hands of the very people who claim 'foul' and 'racism' when their excesses are reported.

I wonder how some here can live with themselves knowing as they must that 'stolen children' were removed for their own safety and the numbers have increased. Yet the increase is claimed to be more 'stolen children' . Those little children must always resign themselves to the fact that there is no-one coming to help and their cries are in vain. Their continued suffering bis exchanged for guvvy grants and sinecures for others.

Plenty of political game playing though.
Posted by leoj, Thursday, 9 March 2017 11:09:47 AM
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Dear loudmouth,

No you don't my friend, this is already clinched. The churlish prevarication is all yours.

As far as most reasonable people are concerned, even including those who are not so reasonable like Windschuttle, this is done and dusted.

The only reason I am bothering to pursue this is because you continually put yourself out there as some kind of expert on these things because of your transcription activity.

Ultimately this is about a deep intransigence on your behalf. Even getting you to admit the smallest detail is an exercise in combating pathological denial. It feels like I am dealing with someone in a cult and I recognise it is all about baby steps.

I will therefore ask again, as clearly as I can; can you at least accept the three girls referred to in the newspaper alert were Molly and her cousins or not?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 9 March 2017 11:50:23 AM
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Wouldn't it have been good if instead of the 'big knobs' Emily's Listers showcasing their networking via the 'wimmin only' ABC yesterday, those well-off, privileged women had chosen instead to donate a week's pay (one pair of shoes) to build some lockable at dusk, chain-wire enclosed accommodation so indigenous women and children could sleep safely?

Nah, a constant supply of victims is required to shame and guilt the 'whites' and shake down the gold from that money tree in Canberra. Even so, the dollars allocated are not reaching the intended recipients. Everything remains the same.
Posted by leoj, Thursday, 9 March 2017 11:53:05 AM
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