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Posted by steve101, Friday, 6 January 2017 12:45:46 PM
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Yes, I think read some where that just Nigeria's population alone by 2100 will be hitting the 1 Billion mark.
Posted by roderick, Saturday, 7 January 2017 5:39:18 AM
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Placing human populations in cities alone doesn't seem to solve human desires to have large families. I suggest, the Culture is to blame.
Before the Second World War Western societies had large families. Social security: unemployment benefits and retirement pensions... home ownership persuaded baby productive couples that large families weren't necessary. Post Second World War baby boomer's fewer brothers and sisters family size generation's educated women going to work to finance home ownership resulted in fewer children being born. Human faith in constant and/or improving living conditions adds to confidence in capitalist system tax payer social welfare security. The real issue is saleable limited resources and sharing limited resources with outstanding/circulating purchasing currency. Syria can build 4 story buildings, yet can't supply 4 seated passenger motor vehicles and/or viable steady employment for women. Western countries except over populating African, middle eastern refugees and immigrants, placing supply pressures on limited resources consumer products, western working populations cheaply consume. By the time second millennium teenagers reach retirement years, limited resources will be spread between so many people, western countries will resemble today's third world countries, being controlled by a limited number of rich people influencing government controls, whom increase their personal wealth by taking advantage of continued population growth, building infrastructure and high rise development. Mankind From Space documentary first hour outlines human development so far, seemly predicting in year 2050 population growth will level off. I suggest what has given western societies stable levelled out population growth can not be sustained as governments remove societies secure welfare assurances, which in Australia, on January 1, 2016, has already began. …....................... Placing humans in cities, increasing infrastructure, more electricity to power elevators and electric trains to move workers to and from work, to move people to and from entertainment centres. Increasing CO2 levels, consuming limited fossil fuel resources far too quickly. When if populations that are supposed to level at 9 billion, the growth factor infrastructure and building development will drastically slow, leaving fewer employment opportunities. The more adults to fewer children, the more employment that require fewer school teaching employment. Posted by steve101, Saturday, 7 January 2017 9:22:20 AM
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Easy to see why religions and Hollywood movies are often predicting an Apocalypse.
When populations begin to consume animal food resources faster than resources can replenish, who gets to say “enough is enough”. Global Warming and/or Global Climate Change I suggest has much more to do with water evaporation than increasing CO2 levels. CO2 is heavier than air and will eventually be taken up by oceans, yet removing rain forests to feed ever increasing numbers of people, removes the daily rain forest evaporation cycle. Human development creates more desert environments. Evaporation of ocean water into clouds decreases atmosphere temperatures. As moist air rises at the equator, air cools as atmosphere pressure decreases. As above atmosphere cold air moves towards polar regions cold air eventually turns to cooling rain and snow. http://scied.ucar.edu/shortcontent/global-look-moving-air-atmospheric-circulation Global warming is a distraction that can't be proven, yet embarrassingly doubted, needing words to reinforce beliefs as religion constantly needs reinforcing with words. Large populations living in cities uses more fossil CO2 producing fuels to drive workers to work. Motor vehicle exhaust burning fuels CO2 emissions seems less of a political concern than coal fuel power stations. More transport trucking are required to transport food into cities. More rain fall area land is required to grow food. The more food needed the more waste product tarred roads are going be maintained. The more fossil fuels needed to provide petroleum fertilisers to grow food. More reliable coal powered electricity needed for high rise elevators and electric trains. World populations are being distracted from third world over population by too much irrelevant political foreign policy entertainment. Children are being educated to not want to care to learn anything other than what media focus attention towards. That sports entertainment, has many children bouncing basket balls, throwing basket balls into basket ball hoops self-gratifying themselves as a high achievement. By leaving societies to short term emotional self-gratifying behaviours, society fails to address world over population. That long term stability is being threatened by each generation's short term greed. Posted by steve101, Saturday, 7 January 2017 9:25:34 AM
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Western countries are persuaded by a life time of good verse evil media stories to act morally superior and/or morally intelligent... while African and Middle Eastern countries continues to have many babies, forcing morally correct western countries to take immigrant refugees.
Short term political policies are not giving much attention to openly arguing Earth population becomes increasingly difficult to manage year after year. That this 9 billion limit level is more delaying propaganda, waiting for the problem to fix itself... where the problem may include a fix that effects countries whom have reduced birth rates to a negative percentage. Western countries increasing population, are doing so through immigration. Aleppo is a demonstration of ineffective policies that stop short of changing cultural family needs. ….................... I suggest one reason why year 325 Roman rulers adopted a desert nomad Jewish religion was that desert dwellers eat goats, that goats were primarily limited to eating a limited supply of green foliage, grown within deserts dwelling environments, that desert nomad goat herders that eat goats, that tribal leaders used animal sacrifice ceremonies, limiting tribal consumption of goats according to tribal numbers, sustainable goat herding and long term tribal population growth. Nomad goat herd leaders kept in mind whether long term pastures were sustainable over future years considering varying pasture moisture content. Tribal populations were ever increasing, goat herd tribes fort with neighbouring goat herd tribes, goat herd tribal leaders having an understanding with other neighbouring tribal leaders in their willingness to participate. That hidden religious text meanings were built into religious text, leaders were aware of religious text human sacrifice true meanings. That to be part of a goat herding tribe, tribal members must partake of religious sacrificial rituals as described by Jesus dying on the cross. Middle East goat herding ended after the First World War ended, when new borders restricted Middle Eastern tribal population from moving goat herds into new pastures following summer and winter seasonal weather. What thousands of years had created, in one decision to create borders, Middle Eastern populations have caused problems several thousand years managed to solve. Posted by steve101, Saturday, 7 January 2017 9:28:27 AM
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Political policy laws on terminally ill elderly people being refuse legal rights to legally commit suicide, shows the unwillingness for politicians to make difficult choices. Political leaders wanting to be seen defending life to life's full potential, as religion is mistakenly believed to most poorly educated citizenry.
Issues of 2050 predicted 9 billion people aren't in their political time frame in political office. USA rich class corporate leaders whom control the political decisions, may commission vague meaning Hollywood movies: Hunger Games; etc... yet words fail to suggest third world over population could result in realistic events. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1535108/ Average working class citizenry due to years of irrelevant education and indifferent media stories are eager to simplify life and self-medicate: alcohol; feel good drugs; religion; sports... self-medicating mentally stressful education and employment work, living for present moment. To consider that most present problems are caused by third world population pressures and will no doubt worsen, such ideas are distracted by media. As Australian media occasionally and/or vaguely mention newly arrived immigrant cultural differences, Middle East war news and war images seems to silence Australian complaints. Australia becomes too morally intellectually intelligent, politically correct, for our own good, rather than being outspoken. Australians wait and listen for what media shock jocks state. As Europe takes in African and Middle Eastern refugees straining their own resources, the space left vacant in Africa and the Middle East will soon be taken up by more wonderful children, leaving the problem to continue. The more bombs dropped on cities like Aleppo, the more gun violence, the more the word spreads that Western countries are taking in refugees, the more refugees are fleeing to countries willing to take refugees. As Europeans complain, European leaders will ask Australia to take in more refugees. Australian leaders believing in their own moral good guy propaganda, concerned with their own short term in office, will see an opportunity to build more high rise city dwellings, keeping GDP figures up. Posted by steve101, Saturday, 7 January 2017 9:33:52 AM
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10 and 20 years in the future, avoided decisions not made now will haunt Australia as Middle Eastern wars continue, infecting Australia as Middle Eastern wars with religious cultural differences infect Europe now.
Religious extremism (a belief in the afterlife) is the worst form of manipulation which can be used to attack non-religious believers. As religion is used to play Islamic sets off against each other as a population control, I could predict as I have often stated humans influenced by self-gratifying quick to believe emotional rewards, most humans easily believe what they are told believe. Islamic religious extremism will get worse, spilling over into Western countries. The more Muslims entering Western countries, the spilling over Islamic extremism will occur. If we fail to act now, we risk repeating and/or playing out in the future all those war movie predictions that so often entertain us. steve101 Posted by steve101, Saturday, 7 January 2017 9:39:59 AM
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Dear steve101,
Here is a video of a TED talk done over 6 years ago by Hans Rosling on the question of population growth. Perhaps it may assuage some of your concerns. Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 7 January 2017 4:59:10 PM
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Returning to the rich taking over the political system:
The most developed country being the USA, a country other countries can copy. The war on drugs in the USA has been criticised in rarely seen by myself documentaries shown in Australia. The most resent is Adam Ruins Everything, plus a second part to be seen on SBS2 now called Viceland Tuesday evening of January 10 at 8 PM. In part one, Adam blames 1990s pharmaceutical companies for pushing doctors to prescribe Oxycondin to patients, than government withdrawing easy access to pharmaceutical drug Oxycondin, illegal cheap heroin drug pushers stepped in. http://www.drugs.com/oxycontin.html Concerned readers should watch Adam Ruins Everything at least on drugs and part two US prison system. Richard Nixon declared war on drugs. Reagan and Both Bush administrations declared war on illegal drugs. The CIA gets accused of getting US Vietnam soldiers addicted to illegal drugs. Government inquires on CIA illegal drugs, fails to find credible evidence. Google: “adam ruins everything war on drugs” to get and more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcAkAyI985U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXPOw2unxy0 A history mentioned in another documentary, stated in the mid 1800s California was undergoing pressure from European white skinned workers to restrict Asian workers from competitive wage employment. The local political system couldn't arrest and/or harass Asian works. As Asian workers smoked opium, California government made smoking opium illegal. I am saying, by getting US citizens addicted to illegal drugs, addicted citizenry are not going to complain about decreasing employment and/or unfair treatment in fear of being harassed and/or arrested over illegal drugs. A war on illegal drugs justifies increasing local police forces to harass people. People addicted to drugs are less likely to hold employment for long periods, reducing government and corporate socially desired obligations to provide unnecessary employment, blaming workers for their own inability rather than a lack of employment opportunities. Illegal drugs allows a political system of elected candidates campaigns financed by a political system's rich mates to do what the rich want. Posted by steve101, Monday, 9 January 2017 1:12:49 PM
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Bad education's primary school repressed intelligence, guiding children onto sports fields, lunchtime hyperactive play followed by whatever years of high school mental stress, and if that hasn't turned humans into mentally stressed zombies, college and/or university may... encouraging teenager alcoholic consumption, a percentage of teenager leading to illegal drug consumption. To ensure teenagers take up drugs as a choice, increasing the price of cigarettes on health claims, increases addictive drugs usage.
Illegal drugs allows the rich class to easily control society, reducing competitive complaining influences. Communist influences of the 1950s are unheard of in resent times, as both school education and media merely express society in its worst behaviours as to show how society behaves, excluding economic influences. As commercials advertise consumer products, often without entertaining influences. Society's constant media news on illegal drugs, influences troubled poor thinking teenagers to venture into the untried. As Adam expresses, school education has not stopped teenagers from trying illegal drugs, and could have educated teenagers on preferred choice. I suggest, the reasons why Australia's drug problem reportedly worsens, is because the political system wants to maintain the status quo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo Regardless how much media presents the US drug war as a health issue, the main stream political system will use non-prescribed drug use as a threat to society's law and order to justify using non-prescribed drug use as a harassing threat against a working class, in the US, primarily focused at Negroes. Posted by steve101, Monday, 9 January 2017 1:16:14 PM
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Allowing government to control school educational curriculum, is a mistake. Even though most people believe education is good, a poor undesirable learning experience by students, education can be worse than no education at all. Merely learning to read, perform maths is easy for aged older than 5 and 6 years children not suffering from anxiety performance issues and/or hurrying hyperactive tendencies. Too much time spent on easy to do performing tasks and not enough time spent on calm try for effect decision making behaviours, human decision making becomes confused emotions, drawing human behaviour towards instant self-gratifying feel good drug consumption to overcome hurrying work task anxiety. Even when humans stop to rest, anxiety to hurry doesn't stop as well.
As mentioned on Adam Ruins Everything, politicians don't like to hear “canibus is not bad”. Similar comments that government authority want non-prescribed drugs made illegal to justify government funding. Police want illegal drugs laws to justify continued employment. US State governments confiscate personal property based on accusations of supposed income from illegal drugs, financing local police forces. Corporate run jails would want non-prescribed drugs made illegal to increase prisoner numbers to increase profits. Resent media statement that US jailed prisoners manufacture products at cheaper costs than Mexican workers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Industries Posted by steve101, Monday, 9 January 2017 1:18:03 PM
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Even as Adam states drugs are cheap and plentiful to buy, I suggest the idea is to allow people to easily consume illegal drugs, to believe they can be arrested for having consumed illegal drugs.
As Adam says, “the US illegal drug market estimate consumes US$109 billion a year”. That's US$109 billion not spent on US legally obtained manufactured goods. Stated “drug cartel has as many as 100,000 employees”. Sheriff of King County Washington states over the last few decades, US spent over US$1 trillion on the war on drugs... I suggest, hence an economy subsidised by another unproductive war excuse. To think the establishment rich aren't taking a cut of the US$cash cow turnover is naïve, being naïve places school education as reason why children are “Science of Stupid” and “World's Craziest Fools” educated. As many working class: become unproductive; die of drug overdose; commit suicide; become homeless due to drug habits; become violent on ice... there becomes employment openings for Middle Eastern and African migrants to take their place. steve101 Posted by steve101, Monday, 9 January 2017 1:21:15 PM
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The overpopulations are driving the war and poverty. in Africa and led to the attempted
revolution in Syria. Europe needs to understand that they have no obligation to let these overpopulated countries, fleeing from conflicts caused by that overpopulation, flood into European countries. Lets hear the United Nations, condem the overpopulation driving these wars in the middle East and Africa instead of the usual blame Europe and America for the neverending crisis in these countries and these particular populations. Posted by CHERFUL, Monday, 9 January 2017 10:09:49 PM
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Fake News: comic strip character Superman to my earliest memories, as far back as early US Black and White television... Clark Kent was a news paper reporter.
Clark Kent's newspaper head editor referred to as the chief was constantly putting pressure on reporters to bring in news stories. In biblical tradition, bible stories are meant to be parable stories, stories having a moral and/or idea. That script writers are writing into stories hidden messages only a limited number of people can understand. I believe mild mannered newspaper reporter Clark Kent parable meaning is newspaper reporters create their own news, describing events as it happened. As Clark Kent was Superman, Clark Kent can certainly create news stories. Like old European fairy-tales, stories exampling Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, action scenes keep readers and listeners dumb, child curiosity is directed onto enjoyable to read and/or hear serious murder stories. Often, everyday news report stories are about politics. My fake news stories accusations are that all politicians, including D.T. are creating political drama to allow news reporters to bring to readers and listeners rolled over fake dummying intellectual thought news stories. Bringing topic back to 9 billion world population in 2050, citizenry curiosity for news story distractions, citizenry are fed stories which are dummying down intellectual development using dramatised character fairytale political scandals and correct democratic procedures, which I personally believe and argue by the amount of continuous news stories, myself having no other evidence other than pointing to the never ending rolled over scandals are faked news stories. Real long term scary third world population growth concerns are rarely brought to citizenry attentions... unless you count growing food on Mars, Hollywood movies. Global Climate Change conferences, where are the Global Third World Population Growth conferences? Their is really only one solution option, that option is the military option, which I believe is hidden in excuses of Global Terrorism. I suggest, terrorism is more increased distraction from problem awareness than optimal solutions. Posted by steve101, Monday, 16 January 2017 11:04:57 AM
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Remember James Foley, dressed in orange overalls as though he resembled a US jailed prisoner. Extremely calm beyond belief (to my memory) British journalist James Foley was about to be executed by a man dressed in black. I considered back then, the orange overalls and James Foley's calm composure, having no other ISIS supporters seen in the background, indicated to me the scene was faked.
Captured image placed on Youtube supposedly showing James Foley having his head cut off by the man dressed in black using a knife, said to have been quickly taken down soon after. I heard soon after on channel 10 “The Project”, a regular male host stated he had seen the horrifying Youtube scene before the image was taken down. I soon after Googled James Foley to read how the image was a hoax. That there was no beheading seen on the captured image, that the image was ended soon after the man's statements with no indication of throat cutting, yet readings stated that James Foley surely was beheaded soon after. My accusations are that no images existed, that words stating images existed that events were real are mere anecdotal statements. My conclusions that no other ISIS members cheering were seen and that James Foley was exceedingly calm, dressed is orange overalls as though he was a US prisoner, indicates to doubting thinkers and people in the know that the story is fake. Another conclusion is that US leaders wanted US citizenry to support US military involvement against ISIS. By having ISIS seen to be carrying out “fake” executions on western citizenry, western media could focus criticism on ISIS using serious media panel discussions. Posted by steve101, Monday, 16 January 2017 11:13:10 AM
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Another strange quick to be seen image, the first rocket to land on a platform instead of parachuting capsule into an ocean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEr9cPpuAx8 My witnessing a rocket lowering down towards a small platform floating in ocean water is doubtful when the rocket seems to be leaning over to the right by a significant degree. Where the rocket should be falling over, the rocket instead continues to land on the platform. There are noticeable small rockets at the top of one video image, preventing the rocket from falling. There must be very little weight at the top of the rocket to allow the rocket to land, held upright... Smoke and mirrors technology. Myself looking to see how smoke coming from rocket engine(s) moves away from the rocket while landing, smoke moving away from rocket as rocket lands, images seems correct. The short duration of the captured image suggests faked image. I suggest a lot of fuel would be burnt to get to the point the image began showing watchers the landing. …......................................... Even Donald Trump wanting to be seen separate from media, no conspiracies to create fake news, seen accusing selective media of making fake stories about himself. This leads to media stories on ex British MI6 spy stories. Spy stories between USA and Russia allow readers ideas that no conspiracies exist between large military powerful competing countries. I theorise real spying would be difficult, as many misleading stories can't be confirmed until after events happen. What becomes a reliable source of information becomes feed with false information that seriously misleads conclusions on probable important events. I speculate, International Spies are fake stories feeding Hollywood and book writers' pages, alternative to Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, dummying human intellectual development stories. Posted by steve101, Monday, 16 January 2017 11:22:00 AM
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SBS Viceland: “V” being the Roman numeral number for 5, 5 being a similarity reminder with evil pentagram symbols; Tom Hanks, De Vinci Code movie, mentioning “V” symbol of female womb, the Holly Grail, Grail (a girl); “ICE” being dangerous to walk on, dangerous to drive on, seeing cold ice is an indication of extreme cold, often many people die after being exposed to cold weather. I would not bother to state such ideas except “Viceland” is a strange name for a television channel.
January 11, SBS Viceland “The Feed” had a special on young women being influenced by a South Korean religious cult leader sect entited “Inside Providence”. A picture of the religious cult leader who was held in a South Korean jail was shown with a hansom looking image of what was said to be Jesus. http://www.sbs.com.au/news/video/842220099950/The-Feed-Investigates-Inside-Providence Several Australian young women were describing how they were influenced by cult members. One woman stated how she wasted 4 years of her life pursuing the cult. Like several seen SBS produced documentaries, specific worded details seem to me to be vague, spaced out, merely managing to hold listeners curious attention. Posted by steve101, Monday, 16 January 2017 11:25:24 AM
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Soon to end his term as US president, Barack Obama, I suggest has many US Americans influenced by the presidential office importance, “Jesus is important status”. Apparently, everyday the White House has a gallery of news reporters fronting up to the White House to be addressed by the White House press secretary. I'd say “send all news reporters an email”. Having citizenry believing news reporters turn up at the White House, adds to US president's importance.
Heard from a last Sunday news story on channel 10, Obama had his final weekly speaking address to the nation. US presidents are and/or becoming cult figures by their constant media attention, creating: popularity, praise, cheering and applause. Obama's leaving office has been a media performance of it's own. Michelle Obama leaving the White House has been a tearful experience for many US Americans. I comment that devoted supporters of Hillary Clinton felt they were supporting comic strip character “Wonder Women”. Voting adults I suggest are reliving childhood comic strip characters in political leaders. If readers find merit in my above today's date theories, that such devoted following behaviours are abnormal. I am going to blame adolescent mental stress: too young to attend schoolings' long hours of boring repetitive tasks in school classrooms. That after each daily schooling, children feel relieved not having to endure classroom tasks, relieved from hurrying tasks, mentally exhausted student sit down at home with reduced symptoms of anxiety, watching: hero figure good verses evil comic strip cartoons, media series; celebrity sports heroes; movie celebrities and/or political leader news stories. The Clintons have been around on the political stage for many years, making use of human brain's emotional stimuli, teenagers are feeling after having left school. That after school cartoon heroes may have much to do with political leader hero worship. Posted by steve101, Monday, 16 January 2017 11:34:33 AM
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Brain Washing: mentally stressing; mentally exhausting memory and judgemental ability with classroom repetitive tasks. Children in need of simple feel good beliefs and simple what happens next curiosity stimulation, latch onto childhood feel good hero worship: celebrity sports performers; music and movies celebrities; religious and political leaders. Where I feel no emotional attraction towards occupational listed celebrities, I suggest many adult human childhood incentive stimuli emotions continue to feel strong attraction towards often mentioned by media occupational listed people.
The power of Adolf Hitler over a generation of adolescent and emotionally persuaded adult news followers, as Adolf Hitler was seen as a strong leader image when previous German political leaders were constantly seen as indecisive. Grown adults behaving as though adults were driven by childhood self-programming, escaping to modern day comic strip heroes distracting entertainments. To quote fake Jesus, “Oh Lord, they know not what they do” Citizenry are so accepting what leaders do, citizenry don't question short term gain, increasing immigration coming from over populating countries. Citizens busyness and directed simple curiosity, allows media discussions to control “beating the drum” political debate well into boredom “no one really cares” mindset. …........... When many people look at things, people see not merely what people want to see, people see images that prompt emotions to conscious awareness. Images associated with boring school uniform classrooms, outside classrooms open air colourful sports fields and gardens, brainwashes emotional stimuli to want to feel rewarded by participating in what feels good. Add to colourful images, sports not known what happens next, satisfies the simplest human curiosity. steve101 Posted by steve101, Monday, 16 January 2017 11:38:30 AM
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I watched on SBS1 a 2015 National Geographic documentary entitled “Mankind From Space” on December 12, 2016, beginning at 3 PM. A time I assume few people were watching.
What made this documentary worth quoting was after the first hour, future population growth estimates were mentioned. The documentary stating: world population increases 200,000 each day; in the last 50 years, earth population has doubled; mid 2015 population was 7.3 billion; 2030 predicted to be 8 billion; 2050 predicted to level off at over 9 billion.“big question is, are we becoming victims of our own success”. With 9 billion people, 7 billion will be living in cities. A seriously good documentary shown at an obscure Wednesday afternoon when few similar documentaries had been shown to encourage a time slot where many documentary watchers check programs for what maybe being shown.
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/jul/29/un-world-population-prospects-the-2015-revision-9-7-billion-2050-fertility
Aleppo in Syria is an example of a city of 4 story buildings which held a large population, in which that population managed to maintain a noticeable increase in children. That a below website statistic states out of 250,000 people trapped in Aleppo, 100,000 are children. The ratio isn't that significant, yet adults live from 18 to 60 years on average while children are aged below 17 years.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/world/middleeast/syria-aleppo-children.html?_r=0
Age statistics of Syrian refugees living outside Syria. Below age 17 years, humans will move into the above aged 17 years adult ages, increasing Syrian refugee population, while fewer numbers of elderly will have passed away.
http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php
From age 0 to 4 years Syrians, the population is 7.2%. Female Syrian refugees are not allowing themselves to be negatively influenced by limited resources and displacement.
The PDF file below suggests in 2100 world population will be 11 billion. Africa being the worst offender.
http://esa.un.org/unpd/wpp/publications/files/key_findings_wpp_2015.pdf
When someone says “don't panic” you should think to panic, as the person saying “don't panic” is merely attempting to calm themselves down.
The below reading suggests a world population of 12 billion in year 2100.
http://www.economist.com/news/international/21619986-un-study-sparks-fears-population-explosion-alarm-misplaced-dont-panic
To be continued...