Craig Minns,

What do you mean, Craig, the "science is settled to the extent.........?
To what actual extent is CO2 or algae causing that SST anomaly?

History is being manipulated and so is science.
BS spin is being applied to science to an extent respect for honest science is dwindling.

There is dire urgent need for properly-adequate resources for genuine science to manage the entire water ecosystem of our planet and the weather and climate. Oceans dominate influence on weather and climate.

Presently available MEAGRE resources for genuine science are being used up by BS science.

I think I am on the leading edge side of history by coming forward with evidence of substance indicating nutrient pollution fed algae is overly warming areas of ocean and waterways.

To help back up relevant evidence, 4 days ago I bought a digital multimeter with a temperature PROBE, costing about $50 from Jaycar.

At about 2pm for the past 3 days, measurements in water and in algae in a 300 sq mm area of a pond showed warmth in algae plant matter.
Warmth in different algae species was a about half of one degree or up to one whole degree warmer than just the water, on those 3 slightly cloudy days.

I just went outside in drizzle to get you, Craig, the following practical measurement. You have observed my view on those OLO/ Marohasy threads and I now add this.

Today 23.10.2016 at Sydney there is low dense cloud linked to weather coming from the NW coast of Western Australia and the Indian Ocean.
Measurement of the same pond algae at 12.15pm today shows warmth of .2 of one degree C above the plain water temperature.

According to “settled” science, Is there categorically no warmth in algae matter that is inundating seas and ocean ecosystems?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/02/100305-baltic-sea-algae-dead-zones-water/

There is need for genuine science to speak up under protection FROM a Royal Commission.

Ad hominem intimidation stifling or gagging climate evidence and cutting off resources for genuine scientists should be investigated and challenged.

Craig,

So you agree that it has nothing to do with the environment?

Irrelevant, JF Aus, the carbon resources are sufficiently valuable to make every effort to preserve them without any other justification required.

Hi ttbn,
I agree that Naomi Klein was correct in pointing out that the "debate" about climate change is a red herring and that the real problem is the short-term thinking of a few crony capitalists.

The smart capital has already backed renewables, in a clear example of evolution in action in the market.

Craig Minns

Your opinion of irrelevant posted there is an outright distraction from what I said.

There is much more present day value in real science human resources, if for example applied to harnessing sewage nutrient to viably produce algae for biofuel.

Is that also irrelevant?

I suggest drop the carbon rhetoric and act on reality and truth.
Right in front of me right now is a media report headed BITTER HARVEST.

The report refers to small scale farming and global food security that could be devastated by climate change.

Well evidence indicates natural food supply ecosystems of this planet are now already devastated but not because of carbon or CO2.
Such devastation does not have to be worldwide all at the same time as AGW implies.

Take a look at seafood dependent coastal people including at Haiti.

Marine animals are starving to death en-masse, the "canary in the coal mine" that proves ocean food devastation exists already.

Sewage and land use nutrient overload pollution is feeding algae that is already devastating world seafood and fertilizer supply and also ocean ecosystems linked climate of this planet.

The problem is not carbon.

Craig,

Fair enough, but did you read what Otto said? And, the real fuss is about carbon dioxide CO2, not carbon C.

The idea, though, is to rip money off the capitalists, and give it to the poor, which has always been the theme of the Left. It has never worked and it never will - except for the 'progressives', who will have all of us equally poor and beholden to them. Even totalitarian China is building more cheap, coal powered energy that is bringing more prosperity to dirt poor citizens. So is India. They are doing what we used to, but now seem ashamed of doing. The 'Tyranny of Guilt' I suppose. I'm no capitalist myself: always a wage-slave, but I never felt envious of the rich, nor guilty for what I was able to accumulate with the help of the capitalists.

JF,
All of those things are undoubtedly important, nobody would claim otherwise, but sorting those things out is not mutually incompatible with minimising the use of a scarce carbon resource. In fact, it would probably make it easier.

Hi ttbn,
carbon C is a very valuable resource. Making highly reduced carbon takes a lot of energy, which is why it releases a lot of energy when it oxidises. The C is an extremely valuable industrial resource. Would we burn gold or silver or copper?

The Chinese are preparing for a large population increase, I suspect. Increasing prosperity will inevitably lead to more demand for power. They're also building more renewable capacity than anyone else. They get it.

Nobody is trying to blame the capitalist class, ttbn, they're our best hope for the future. They just need to do more thinking about long-term rather than short-term plans and we need to let them.