Craig

" I would be extremely surprised if any scientist anywhere has used the expression "the science is settled" with respect to some interpretation of evidence. "

Well you be wrong. Here's but one example of myriad others. Note that Mann lists all those scientific organisations that say that it is settled.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ2cCPRS-Q8

Strangely, although you don't think anything's settled, you do think there is a map showing where we're going!!

mhaze,
Ah, now I see the confusion: you think that because these people have come to a conclusion that the climate is inevitably going to change, based on the indisputable facts we discussed earlier, that this means they are behaving unscientifically.

Nothing could be further from the truth. For example, I can reliably predict that if I puncture my tire, then it will eventually become unusable, even if I can't predict exactly when and where. Therefore, if I find a nail stuck in the tread, it's in my own best interest to fix it as soon as possible rather than driving on, hoping to blind luck that it hasn't penetrated sufficiently far to cause problems.

Sometimes maps can be very vague indeed and still give us useful guidance. An early map based on vague descriptions and observations of effects might label a part of the vast unknown with "here be dragons", representing a part which is unknown in detail, but which is known to be dangerous based on the fact that those who travel there don't return.

Climate science has a map with some quite well-defined "dragons" that should be regarded as definitively dangerous, but still needing exploration. In other words, we know where NOT to go, which is down the path of continuing reliance on fossil fuels. The fact that these are problematic is "settled", even if there are details to be properly understood.

And all of this is a red herring, because whether the climate is changing or not, it makes economic sense to move to a source of energy that doesn't involve digging a limited and finite supply of valuable highly reduced carbon out of the ground and burning it.

The region around Kalgoorlie, which is now a patchwork of scrubby saltmarshes and semi-desert was a heavily wooded plain back in the 1900s? It was all cleared to make fuel and props for the mines. Kalgoorlie still exists because the mining industry recognised it needed to find a new technology.

Those who can't adapt to change die out.

A way to describe how a scientific community are paid not to correct probable lies are to examine other scientific lies.
My argument why there are no space probes mentioned on news media.

Space probes landing on Mars, probes taking pictures while passing solar system planets… Pluto 7.5 billion miles from Earth, radio wave transmitted to Earth, is ridiculous. Space probe news stories are all lies to entertain believe what their told Neanderthals; Propaganda for badly educated emotionally driven simpletons moving society forward advancing science.

Viking I&II probes sent out into space, said after passing planets to continue travelling out into space never to return, probes are defying the Sun’s gravity, pulling mass towards the Sun. Hayley’s Comet returns roughly every 70 years orbiting the Sun going back out into outer regions of the Solar System. Earth technology has not overcome gravity.

Government prescribed curriculum schools by government law, take in aged 5 years children whom are using Neanderthal emotional intelligence decision making capabilities, that children “could have” over many years eventually guided their human brains onto a pathway of advancing Homo-Sapient intelligent learning. What school teachers forced curriculum education gives society are dog like emotional ball chasing football loving low level specialised to perform limited behaviours intelligence Neanderthals.

Government curriculum prescribed schools are stopping children’s human intelligence from progressing into rationalising information that affects their lives. Young adults having recently left education systems that guide themselves onto addictive substance abuse: alcohol; medicating drugs; illegal drugs. Young adults have an irrational desire to feel stimulated pleasure on participating in and/or watching ball chasing/hitting/kicking games should highlight the intelligence capability for real intelligent people to realise the poor intelligence of a large percentage portion of human society.

I soon made associations with information most people are aware of, yet to place all the information into one realisation that space probes are lies, for most people is very difficult. For me to express to traumatised by education listeners using above and below information that space probes never existed, listeners become defensive, often angry as though they were resistant to learning something more difficult to understand than previously understood. Also resistant to being proven to have been wrong in what had been felt to be believed.

Earth travels around the Sun at around 67,000 Miles-Per-Hour. Any probe being sent out into space moving away from the Sun at speeds fast enough not to be pulled back towards the Sun by the Sun’s gravity. Probes must exceed 67,000 mph, add said to be 26,000 mph to leave Earth’s gravity. Sending space probes out into space using Earth’s 67,000 mph direction Earth is travelling around the Sun speed. Space probes travelling away from the Sun could be estimate to be traveling at 93,000 mph.

One Mars year is 686.93 Earth days, 1.88 Earth years. At Earth’s closest distance to Mars, 55 million kilometres, Sun’s light takes 10 minutes longer to reach Mars after light has passed Earth. Radio waves travel at the speed of light 186,000 miles per second.

I conclude Mars and Earth planets travelling around the Sun, periods of 1.7 Earth years between closest distances for both planets to come to that 10 minute light distance apart from each other. Periods where Earth and Mars are not within close distance from each other… the Sun’s charged particle noise increases as radio waves travelling between transmitters and receivers need to pass closer to the Sun.

Probes travelling to Mars would need to reach Mars after traveling for media reported said 7 months on 2016 October 20 probe reaching Mars. Probes arrive at Mars at the correct orbiting speed to hold orbit around Mars. If no orbiting was used, probes would need to slow down in Mars unknown atmosphere, deploy a parachute, slowly descending on Mars.

Probes travelling through space speed after leaving Earth on the way to Mars would be difficult to calculate over 7 months while travelling to Mars point of entering Mars orbit. Space has no atmosphere to allow rocket engines to have significant thrust to slow and/or speed up probes to arrive at planned location at the correct time planets and comets are speeding through space at many thousands of miles per hour. Every calculation pertaining to everything has a percentage of error. Sending probes towards far away planets and smaller comets at speeds to reach planned destinations having the smallest miscalculation which I say would be impossible to calculate correctly. Believing media animation presentations on space probe missions succeeding or failing, never happened.

Radio waves do not travel long distances outside Earth’s magnetic field in space. Sun’s charged particles noise will destroy radio waves after transmitted radio waves drop blow low decibel levels into noise decibel levels. The millions of miles of Sun’s magnetic field charged particles noise radio waves need to travel through to be received on Earth will further destroy transmitted radio waves.

Large parabolic dishes supposedly receiving billions of miles away space probe radio waves are more propaganda: convincing HSC leavers to pursue outer space technology university studying; most media news stories are boring to listen to, that many listeners only bother to watch boring murder and political news stories, watchers are waiting for the carrot on the stick, more interesting entertainment, science and technology, driverless motor vehicles reasons for spending time watching news stories. For the same reason selected media consumer product advertising methods sells products, selling boom bust capitalism and poor political democracy corporate laws that failed to safe guard citizens wealth. Advancement in science stories aids public acceptance of life’s lowering standards.

Mobile phone users should be familiar with signal strength bar scales on mobile phones; laptops and computer dongles network icons. Mobile phone towers are more sensitive in receiving radio waves and send out more powerful radio waves than pocket mobile phones. Distances between phone towers and mobile devices are limited to a few kilometres. The distances said photos were being sent back from Pluto are 7.5 billion miles.

When radio decibel levels fall under static noise decibel levels, radio waves are soon destroyed by static charged particle noise. Radio waves transmitted as a focused beam will merely spread as though a bull horn speaker was used.

Large parabolic dishes on Earth will not be able to receive radio waves within any significant distance from Earth.

22,000 miles above Earth’s surface, Clark Orbit satellites sends television radio wave signals to wide footprint areas using focused parabolic dishes. At 3 gigahertz frequencies, large parabolic dishes are used to overcome static noise. At 12 gigahertz, dishes need only use smaller dishes as 12 gigahertz is above a stated 10 gigahertz end of static noise, lower static noise decibels reduces parabolic dish size. Down side technical issues with transmitting at higher frequencies are that higher frequencies decline decibel levels over shorter distances radio waves will travel, the more power to transmit higher frequency radio waves will be required to make up the lost short distance high frequency radio wave travel.

Animated space probes seen as small in size often have no significant transmitting devices seen.

I have placed a similar post on a website many months ago. One reply post suggested NASA technology would overcome all problems. Well if NASA was overcoming all problems, NASA must be having help from a magical god. NASA could be getting help from the Devil.