How can you claim something has been stolen from you when you stole it in the first place.

History suggests that many strong indigenous tribes over powered weaker tribes and not only took their claims, but also brutally killed the others off.

So, given there is a huge push by the indigenous community, suggesting that white man stole their land, was it actually theirs to be stolen or, was it just overtaken by yet a more powerful force.

The Maori people ate some of the first people of NZ and yet still managed to make claims on land. Its called leftist logic. Dogma one is to demonise the whites. Dogma two is to glorify cultures that have very barbaric aspects to it.

Butch...human history repeating itself mate, that's all. But hey while you're on a good thing let's keep on saying "sorry" forever and insisting that you were hard done by and demanding a payout for every ill inflicted upon you, your father, his father and his fathers father ad nauseum. As my Grandad once said: "I'm sorry, sorry that my Grandad and his Grandad didn't have enough black-powder and lead to finish the job..."

I've written as posted on OLO a few weeks ago, to the British Government & to HM QEII asking for compensation for my Scots and Irish ancestors being kicked off their lands, shot at by troops, police and whoever. That and to ask atonement on behalf of my other relatives who were kidnapped and shipped out to government homes to be raped, buggered and brutalised by the churches here in Australia. Guess what ? I didn't even get a reply, let alone a "sorry" or sixpence for a cup of hot tea.

But the even funnier thing is, in 2003 my aunt was doing the ancestry dot com and genealogy research thing to find that my grandfather himself was of "aboriginal heritage". Seems around 1820 there was a liaison with my great-great-great grandfather and a young Dharruk woman from around Emu Plains (NSW).

I remember him in 1968, just prior to us leaving to go and live in PNG, standing in tears outside the Wreck Bay (south coast NSW) community with me and my cousins in the car. He was a big man, well over 6' in the old measurement and I'd never seen him get emotional before then. Poppa pointing at the dozen or so houses he had recently built, saying: "Look at this, 6 weeks ago I handed these houses over to the community, and now there's not even a window or a floor board left inside...just burnt out shells. That's the thanks I get from black fellas...!"

Many years later we find out that he himself was actually a "black fella".

60,000 years I seem to recall is the length of time of occupancy evidenced by carbon dating in at least one location if I do not misrecall.

Even if the Original Australians did wipe out a pre-existing group (which I have never heard to be the case and is probably discounted by what we already understand from the genetics) the length of time since then is not an unreasonable basis for a claim of "ownership."

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I don't see that as the issue though. The problem is, that the happiest times of our lives are when we are children and retired, and arguably, some people at least are better off being on a pension than they otherwise would be as members of the so called "working poor."

But I would suggest to you that it is not the fault of the Original People (many of whom reject you lot outright and I for one do not blame them for that) that the "working poor" are not paid more.

So, short version is is if some people are to get more, other people are to get less. So, who is going to get less? (and do any of them ever want to talk about who gets less when they are talking about who gets more?)

I would say, as I have said before, that there is a gross excess of non-essential personal being paid 100's of dollars per hour on the public purse whose contributions in no shape or form constitute "a fair days pay for a fair days work," nor do the business practices here come close to best practice when it comes to Free Markets. In fact a lot of so called business people are little more than glorified pencil fiddlers for the guvment all for a living wage ++

I want to see the PM in budgey smugglers in a LGBT Salon, front on, inflicting the first stroke of the shears to his own head with his own hand (thereafter he can hand over to the best of professionals) and give the overpaid a big correction.

50 years ago, the dominant theory of Australian pre-history was the tri hybrid theory, which suggested that Aboriginal people are the third people to inhabit mainland Australia. Few Australians currently seem aware of this and it is unclear if this reflects political correctness or weight of scientific evidence. Whatever the case, the matter is far from resolved. That being the case, we should not be inserting preambles into the constitution with unproven claims and we should be wary of handing human remains to Aboriginal groups who currently inhabit an area, as they might not allow the remains to be studied.

Hairy Scottish tribes made Saxon haggis from testicles ( or "pom poms") of poms filled with burnt copies of Magna Carta boiled in cannon fodder. The Scots poachers were shipped to Botany bay and their bandicoot whisky was grabbed by organised Aboriginal land dealers who stole a generation of High Court Judges. China took the lot.