shadow minister
Thank you for the link,I found all needed to read.I suggest you read the section on temporary entry of business persons to Australia. After you have thought about it, perhaps you can explain how any Australian based company or business can possibly compete when their competitor does not have to pay Australian taxes, for any staff they need.

I am guessing you think this is a good deal so that you can invest in other countries covered by this deal.However for the poor sods who have to pay tax in Australia, they are going to be really up against it when competing against say a Vietnamese machinery builder who does not.
Chris

Lefty,

Having read the section you mention, the bringing of people in applies to high level managers and technical specialists, not trades or labourers, and from experience they are not normally cheaper than people from here.

However, if you are looking at competing at manufacturing with a factory in Vietnam, the TPP is not going to change anything.

Dear SM,

«However, if you are looking at competing at manufacturing with a factory in Vietnam, the TPP is not going to change anything»

True, but it would lock in the existing situation.

Manufacturing and agriculture are essential for keeping our bodies alive. We are already losing our skills and ability to provide for ourselves and once, not 'if' but 'when', the totally-mad and unsupported world-economy collapses, we are going to have hunger and strife in this land and millions will probably die.

Instead of remaining self-sufficient, we try to balance the books by providing airy-fairy services, including financial. educational and electronic, as well as mining-exports that would no longer be needed once world-population shrinks and global transportation also is no longer there.

America will fall, Europe and China probably too: why do we want to fall with them?

Another problem with the TPP, not mentioned so far, I believe, is that it forces the Australian regime to legislate all sorts of restrictive laws, which must remain even if the people of Australia, through a newly-democratically-elected government, wish to kick them out.

Anyway, I think that this discussion is only useless whining: the Australian government is signing this agreement with a gun pointed at their head, not because they like it. They probably would have liked to tell us that they have no choice, but they are not allowed to.

shadow minister
You really do need to pay more attention and read more thoroughly than you do.It includes trades people, that means fitters, plumbers, carpenters, welders,and machinists.It also means they will be paid by these companies from Vietnam and pay taxes there not in Australia.

So I hope you have your overseas investment port folio all sorted out so you wont have to worry, but any of your neighbors who are going to have to compete will be in deep trouble.

So I would suggest you don't talk to load at the next barby that you attend, about how wonderful you think this deal is as you are likely to get ostracized or worse.

lefty,

Time and again you make wild accusations about the TPP that prove to be hugely incorrect. I have read the portion to which you refer, and see nothing of "It includes trades people, that means fitters, plumbers, carpenters, welders,and machinists.It also means they will be paid by these companies from Vietnam and pay taxes there not in Australia."

Perhaps you could enlighten us with a reference to a part of the TPP that all of us have missed.

Shadow minister
I tried to cut and paste 12-A. Australia from the section regarding the temporary entry of business persons, but I was unable. If you read the part marked 12.4 you will perhaps see what I am talking about
Please look at A,B,D, and E .Some of the staff mentioned are installers, and warranty workers whose financial support comes from outside Australia. So these trades’ people could be fitters, welders, plumbers, and mechanics, as all these trades are involved in this kind of work. If they are under contract to a foreign company, and they are not resident then Australian tax would not apply.

If somebody decides to import kit set houses from Vietnam then, please show me the clause that says they could not use Vietnamese skilled labor on that project.

I am happy to acknowledge if I am wrong, however my concern is that this agreement is so vague in certain clauses that any competent lawyer could drive bus threw it. I am not trying to get at you personally, its just I think that too many people such as your self are so focused on the bit that is good for them, that they happily sign on to the other thousands of page of clauses and sub clauses that they have been told by experts that this in the interests of every one.

Remember the sales job that was done on collateralized debt obligations and chaos that that caused just a few years ago. If we don’t remain vigilant it will be done to us again, until there is nothing left to steal.
Chris