Hi Thomas,

Sorry, I misquoted you: so, when you wrote on Saturday, 24 September 2016 6:10:09 PM, second last paragraph, that "DV is not only a aboriginal problem is an Aust wide crisis..... ", you misquoted yourself ?

But thanks for the advice. Sorry, you'll what ? What, you and your mother ? How is she, by the way ? And your sister ? Being a gentleman, I'll say no more about them, except to say that if they can punch as well as ........

Anyway, more important issues for the sane rest of us: since Paul is a bit busy right now, others of us will have to make suggestions about what should be done. It's easy enough to say how and why a situation comes about, but as Marx pointed out, what can be done about it ? [Thesis 11, Thomas]

If DV perpetrators in remote 'communities' were all treated equally before the law, no BS 'cultural' leeway whatsoever [what the hell sort of society are we to allow some people to get the sh!t beaten out of them since they are, after all, Aboriginal ?! Despicable] then any bloke committing DV would do equal time for it. Repeat offenders likewise. If the penal system tried that for a decade or so, we might see some difference. We certainly would see some peace and quiet, and a few women - and kids too - survive a bit longer.

What, you thought there was no connection between increased rates of DV and increased rates of murder ? Of both wives/girlfriends AND children ?

So Rule # 1: Do the crime, do the time.

Ideally, some will use the time to get a better education. If not, they do the full time. Who cares ? Although you'd think that fifty thousand years of wife-beating might teach people something. Maybe not.

Rule # 2: come out and do the crime again, you do twice the time.

Rule # 3: And so on.

[TBC]

[continued]

And another thing.

Alternatively, create compulsory men's 'refuges', where violent men can be locked away from 'communities' until they are able to live sanely. I've never understood why women should have to be locked away from violent men, who then have completely free reign of the streets. Why should that be ? Bloody absurd.

'Men's 'refuges', a bit like refuges for wild animals, wouldn't have to be elaborate, just a strong fence and lockable gate, half an acre or so a mile out of town, maybe some straw mattresses. Everything else would, of course, be destroyed, so why bother ? If a number of blokes were locked up simultaneously and beat the daylights out of each other, well, that's self-determination. They could be served a meal in the morning, say Weetbix and water, like their kids are having; it could be slipped under the gate.

Problem solved :)

Joe

THIS:

"DV is not only a aboriginal problem is an Aust wide crisis..... "

DOES NOT EQUAL THIS:

"Thomas may be right"

WITH

"that DV is common across all sections of Australian society"

DOES NOT EQUAL THIS:

"Thomas may be right"

WITH

'go down any street in Mosman or Toorak or Springfield on a Friday night and you'll hear the screams and thumps and women getting thrown against a wall or down stairs, or belted with bricks or star-pickets, just like on any un-named remote 'community'. Mosman is brutal on a Friday night."

If you wish to state something, express and opinion, or quote facts, or just make a statement then SAY IT - LEAVE ME OUT OF IT.

Stop lying about what I said, stop putting WORDS into MY mouth! Losers do that!

Got it?

Clear enough yet LOUDMOUTH?

Or should I also post a hard copy in Braille?

Because clearly you are having great difficulty computing "pixels" into accurate truthful statements when they come back out of your mind via your fingers to the keyboard.

And you do not only do it to me but everyone you 'disagree' with no matter how puerile and wrong you are about what they really wrote and the context of that.

I am calling out on it big time, and will continue to do so if you persist.

Here's a nickle - use it to start off a Crowd Funding Appeal for new glasses and/or remedial reading lessons?

I do not care what you believe or say on any subject - but STOP misrepresenting what I said and spreading LIES about it publicly.

Like big deal Loudmouth, you can go online and RIDICULE PEOPLE and VERBAL them anytime you want.

Wow, what a hero, what a big man you are. Everyone on OLO who has a different view than you must be literally shaking in their boots man, worrying you'll abuse them too.

Get a life - as in a worthwhile one - not built on rubbishing everyone you meet on OLO and every other place you may infest.

Plonk!

Hi Thomas,

So, when you write, "DV is not only a aboriginal problem is an Aust wide crisis", you don't mean that DV is common across all sections of Australian society ? Note, I'm not quoting you there, simply paraphrasing, or re-phrasing what you actually wrote.

I was probably channelling Philip Adams in that bit about Mosman and Toorak. He made the comparison some time ago, in trying to make light of DV in Aboriginal (sorry, Paul, un-named) 'communities'.

Just to correct you on an elementary point: you assert that "I do not care what you believe or say on any subject .... " but it's not a matter of what I or you or anybody believes or asserts, but on what they can demonstrate, on what they have evidence for. Can you understand that ?

I'll keep trying :)

Cheers,

Joe

Joe, the figures of 75,000 and 60,000 were those of the Northern Territory Police Commissioner Reece Kershaw, not mine. you can disagree with them if you wish. Your sarcasm with reference to the affluent burbs of Mosman (try Point Piper Turnbull territory) or Toorak or Springfield (I only know it from the Simpson's), whilst those suburbs might not suffer from a great deal of physical DV they do have levels of verbal violence which results in family breakdown, high levels of divorce, might indicate that, single parent families. Maybe if you look behind the Range Rovers and the serenity of Friday nights, you may see not so nice things happening in those burbs as well. Wealth and education help cushion the impact of relationship breakup amoung the more affluent.
Please explain the bit about the "un-named ethnic group" I only refereed to the general population, and the Aboriginal population.

Hassy, are you registered with the Beenleigh Centrelink, tip get there early, say 8.30am, and avoid the feral's, most of whom don't get a move on until about 10 or 11.

Shadow, I agree with what you say, and it is an interesting and factual report, every MP should be aware of it, and take notes. However, at the moment we are tinkering at the edges of the problem and not do nearly enough to tackle the root causes of DV. Police and judicial intervention will not stop DV, although I agree it is absolutely necessary. Where are the girls on this? Poirot, Suse anyone, I feel like a bloke giving a group of expectant mums a lecture on 'My practical experience dealing with pregnancy'. So my favorite posters, you know who you are, if you read this, how about throwing something in. I would welcome it.

Thomas, welcome to the club, how was it in the naughty boys corner, haven't been there since the beginning of the year when Shadow and myself spent a week in the cooler. Shadow, have you got Tom's brief You didn't get us off!

Paul,

I don't have all the answers, but sending repeat offenders home is not the answer, as all you are doing is traumatising the children and repeating the cycle of abuse.