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Northern Territory Domestic Violence Unacceptable.

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Not sure what you are saying Beach, is it "black people bash people" because its in their DNA to do so. Are you suggesting women are not the predominant victims of DV? Are the numbers deliberately distorted by those with a secret agenda. What is your take on domestic violence, I see it as a growing problem within society, the numbers quoted for the NT alone are horrific.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 25 September 2016 6:57:40 AM
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Paul,

I heard on RN (ABC) radio, from a woman aboriginal leader in NSW that DV incidents were 36x higher, but that in most cases offenders or those that breached orders were given slaps on the wrist and returned to re offend. She was calling for harsher treatment of DV abusers to at least levels that non indigenous offenders faced.

This is the conundrum that the left face. There is a huge push to reduce indigenous incarceration which is 10x higher than the rest of the population, yet calls to the police for DV and other crimes are 10x higher than other population groups. You cannot reduce DV incidents without punishing the abusers.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 25 September 2016 7:08:14 AM
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Shadow, "You cannot reduce DV incidents without punishing the abusers" of course you can, through reform and education, prevention is the key, but you still have to punish the offenders. In a typical conservative response you concentrate on crime and punishment. Did you watch the Four Corners program on the town of Bourke, very interesting. DV is not a calculated crime where the perpetrator gives any consideration to the punishment aspect before doing what he does. Nearly all the DV matters I have every had anything to do with have involved alcohol or other drugs, or both.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 25 September 2016 10:55:02 AM
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"You cannot reduce DV incidents without punishing the abusers."

That's an interesting 'opinion'.

I would love to see research, studies, stats, and proof "punishment reduces DV" is true and is more effective than:
drug/alcohol addiction services,
psychological therapy,
education,
ongoing counselling,
family support services
and poverty alleviation
eg productive well paid work.

Is there any?

(not a rhetorical question)

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Looking for the answer, try Google Scholar because intelligent highly trained and informed people are 'cleverer'!
https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=domestic+violence+solutions+reduce&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5

"among the handful of quasi-and true experiments there is fairly consistent evidence that treatment works and that the effect of treatment is substantial. "
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J012v10n02_05

"No significant differences were found between the experimental and control groups" - it was all 'punishment' with one 'counselling option' - flaky study imo.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07418820200095271?src=recsys

"Overall results suggest that therapeutic treatment for batterers may reduce domestic violence among convicted batterers who agree to this sentence."
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07418820100094861?src=recsys

Hitting Home - Sarah Ferguson
(lot's of refs to research to answer the question above)
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/programs/hitting-home/
http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/nov/24/abcs-sarah-ferguson-on-hitting-home-all-domestic-violence-begins-with-control
http://insidestory.org.au/the-enemy-within

Can violent men ever change? And can their families ever forgive them?
http://www.aww.com.au/latest-news/news-stories/inside-family-violence-rehab-1-23225

Q&A Indigenous People June 2016
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4463066.htm

Fact Check Verdict - The available evidence on domestic and family violence suggest Marcia Langton is broadly correct.
http://www.swinburne.edu.au/news/latest-news/2016/07/factcheck-indigenous-women-and-domestic-violence.php

http://www.oneinthree.com.au/news/2015/2/16/abc-tv-qa-family-violence-special-mon-feb-23-join-the-studio.html

http://australianmensrights.com/Domestic_Violence_Statistics-Child_Abuse_Australia/Men_as_Victims_of_Domestic_Violence-United_States_20-20_TV.aspx

Florida “Taking Action Against Domestic Violence” campaign
http://www.abcactionnews.com/taking-action/taadv

http://www.amazon.co.uk/ABC-Domestic-Sexual-Violence/dp/1118482182

So a reminder: Is there any studies that prove "punishment reduces DV?"
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Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Sunday, 25 September 2016 11:28:06 AM
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Surely it is the base psychology and beliefs of the Authoritarian Right Minded people (at all levels of income) that is a precursor / driving force behind all Domestic and Family Violence?

Anyone who has born into a family with a military father or touched by institutional perpetrators of child sexual abuse would agree with this, wouldn't they?

Linguist and Cognitive Scientist George Lakoff:
There two kinds of 'Idealised Families' - Nurturing Parent Families and the Strict Father Family
http://youtu.be/jCXxc_M9EmE?t=23m37s

Reason is 98% Subconscious Metaphor in Frames & CULTural Narratives
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm0R1du1GqA

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Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Sunday, 25 September 2016 11:48:06 AM
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@Paul1405, there is a related article with many comments which maybe worth reviewing how inter-connected it is to your thread theme here.

An open letter to my aboriginal compatriots : By Rodney Crisp
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=18533&page=1

Best
Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Sunday, 25 September 2016 12:19:53 PM
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