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Black Lives Matter, - Apparently not!

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What do we have here, a clear case of 'blame the victims', and no one can deny that Negro people in America have not been victims of oppression ever since the day the first of them were dragged in chains from their native Africa to be made slaves to work the white mans plantations. The radical right take the opportunity to post links to sites offering unsubstantiated, if not dodgy statistics on black murders. Implying in some way cops killing innocent unarmed black men prevents others from suffering the same fate. They would describe police actions as positive crime prevention! Can't buy it Shadow.

In the latest outrage an unarmed black motorist Terence Crutcher was shot dead by a white female police officer Betty Shelby while his hands were up. Terence's car had broken down and he was set upon by a hoard of coppers, which resulted in Shelby shooting the man dead in what appears to be cold blood!
Can the raid right put their usual spin on this and show haw it is actually a positive for African Americans to yet again see one of their own shot dead in cold blood by a white copper?

Over to you Shadow.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 22 September 2016 9:07:57 AM
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Paul,

We can always count on you to completely miss the point. Unless you consider the vastly increased deaths of black Americans OK as long as they weren't kill by white policemen.

BLM is not just calling for the incidents to be prosecuted and the guilty punished, but for the police to be banned from random searches etc, which were instrumental in preventing crime and shootings.

The numbers that you are calling dodgy are also cited in the New York times and other respectable left leaning newspapers, and show clearly the increased loss of lives (predominately black) as a result of the BLM protests.

Of course those with an IQ above that of a squirrel were warning of the potential consequences back in the days of the Ferguson riots, and were called racists. It's time for the left whingers to eat humble pie.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 22 September 2016 3:34:58 PM
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What is making the white cops so nervously ready to shoot and
ask questions later around black suspects.

I suspect it is the horrific number of murders by gun, committed by
the blacks themselves that make the white police nervous of being shot when they pull
them over.

The black bloke in that last shooting acted strangely in leaning against the window of his car instead of staying in clear sight with his hands up.

The female police officer from where she was standing had no way of seeing that
the window was wound up.

Black gun rule and murders is the cause of at least some of these black deaths by
white piolice,

If the blacks knew how to behave as decent citizens instead of having a reputation for
murder the police mught be more inclined to feel safer and more trusting around them.
Posted by CHERFUL, Thursday, 22 September 2016 9:47:43 PM
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Shadow,

What has precipitated this reaction, all stems from what appears to be the indiscriminate killing of black men by police. The BLM movements aim is to show these killings and the subsequent apparent injustice of a failure to prosecute police will not be tolerated. A balance between what you refer to as "vigorous enforcement of the law" and the rights of the individual is paramount. Unless you like Beach and others of the extreme right support a police state, All you are arguing is give police extreme powers of search, detention and arrest and the crime rate will diminish, of course it will, but a lot of innocent people will suffer as a consequence.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 22 September 2016 10:52:51 PM
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CHERFUL,

Good post.

To add, what is being deliberately missed by the PC stirrers is that it was the deliberate, repeated decisions and actions by the offender that limited the choices and alternatives open to the police in close proximity to him.

There are protocols formed through risk analysis and the learning from actual experience on the ground. The police officer is charged with protecting the public, her colleagues and herself. She and others would very likely have been following the available protocols, step by step.

In Australia, there is concern that the political correctness of senior police hampered them and produced poor outcomes in the Martin Place terrorist siege. Or was it that incredibly, the available protocols were ineffective because they did not relate to a terrorism situation?

Coming back to the (different) US case, while there is footage the evidence is yet to be gathered and analysed as it must be. However, it is already evident (as in the Martin Place incident in Australia) that where the feckless media are concerned, the facts can never be allowed to get in the road of a good story.
Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 23 September 2016 12:10:30 AM
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Paul,
Once again, what you say is only half the truth.
The perception being spread by the BLM movement is that that there is " indiscriminate killing of black men by police. The BLM movements aim is to show these killings and the subsequent apparent injustice of a failure to prosecute." Unfortunately that is not entirely true, as the BLM movement is demanding that the stop and search regime either at random or of those perceived to be suspicious be stopped.

The reality is that
-Without the stop and search regimes, that were introduced primarily to successfully reduce the levels of violent crime, the rates of violent crime have surged.
-With the proliferation of guns in the US there are roughly 20 000 gun deaths p.a. and more than 50 killings of police on duty p.a. (many times more shot at and wounded) resulting in the requirement for police to assume that anyone they are stopping may be armed, because they frequently are.
-The number of these types of incidents are relatively rare, and occur with white people too (but just don't get the publicity.)
-Black people are between 6-10 times more likely to commit an act of violence than non blacks.

So in a way you are right, there are now many innocent people dying because of the actions by BLM.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 23 September 2016 9:48:10 AM
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