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"Sam Dastyari must resign from parliament"
Surely this man is a traitor to the country in who's parliament he sits.
We may not be in a shooting war with China at the moment but we will be one
day and this man's support for a policy diametrically opposed to our own can
only be one step short of wearing the enemies uniform.
Dismiss him from the parliament.
Discredit him and lock him up.
Posted by chrisgaff1000, Thursday, 8 September 2016 10:58:54 PM
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Get yer hand off it.

The Liars party have been taking way more cash from the Chinese than Dastyari. Not to mention selling them any asset they can get their grubby little hands on.

Anyway they are not donations at all they are BRIBES!
Posted by mikk, Friday, 9 September 2016 12:02:39 PM
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<Senator Dastyari's poor judgment open to more questions

For a man many believe to be highly intelligent, Senator Dastyari shows incredibly bad judgment. But what has not been properly examined yet is the full scope of his involvement with Chinese donors, and some of his questions in Senate Estimates hearings.

Consider his performance on the 27th May, 2014 when he asked a series of highly injudicious questions about national security.

First of all, he publicly probed security arrangements concerning the Prime Minister's close protection detail, and who was responsible for advising on security at particular functions. He persisted in asking questions on this in spite of being told by officials that was not something that should be canvassed in public. In this day and age, that in itself shows very poor judgement.

For Senator Dastyari that was merely a warm up for his main game, which was an extraordinary series of questions about intimate details concerning Australia's national security arrangements. For example, he wanted to know how the Associate Secretary for National Security and International Policy in the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet liaised between the Prime Minister and the Department of Foreign Affairs.

He also wanted to know whether it was the Associate Secretary's role "…to get the national-security-related information together and be the one port, up to the Prime Minister."

This public rummaging in Australian national security matters didn't end there. He then moved on to whether advisors from the National Security and International Policy Group regularly accompanied the Foreign Minister on overseas trips.

Senator Dastyari wanted to know what officials from the National Security and International Policy Group, and the Prime Minister's senior advisor for national security were doing when they attended a follow up meeting in Japan to follow up Tony Abbott's visit to that country.

"Why would someone from the national security team and the Prime Minister's personal staff member with the line item of national security be following up a Prime Minister's visit to Japan? What were the follow-ups about?" he demanded to know.>
tbc..
Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 9 September 2016 2:23:13 PM
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contd..
<At the time, Australia was in negotiations with Japan over possibly purchasing new submarines from that country. Those submarines are one of Australia's most critical defence purchases.

All of this led back to one topic - the South China Sea.

He insisted on knowing whether or not the National Security and International Policy Group was involved in drafting the Trilateral Strategic Dialogue Joint Statement between the US, Japan and Australia. For those who don't know, this was a joint statement critical of China's conduct in the South China Sea and reaffirming the right of freedom of navigation.

Follow the chain - national security; Japan; submarines; South China Sea.

The problem for Senator Dastyari is that these questions came just months after his visit to China in January, 2014, paid for by the Chinese government. There he appears to have met with a company - Huawei - which had already been blocked from investing in the National Broadband Network. He also met with the Yuhu Group, which reportedly paid a legal bill for him.

It really doesn't matter whether it is Labor or Liberal, or the money comes from China, Japan, or the US; politicians should not have their private legal bills paid for by foreigners. It puts their credibility into question.

At the very least, reasonable people might question Senator Dastyari's judgment. Others must be rubbing their heads trying to figure out how someone so clever could ask such sensitive - and stupid - questions about our national security in a public forum.

Senator Dastyari has not yet disclosed all the details of his dealings with Yuhu Group, both overseas and here. How many times have they met, and when, and what was discussed? How exactly was it that they came to pay his personal legal bills? It is now time for him to do so.

As an elected official with incredibly generous foreign friends Senator Dastyari owes the Australian public a full explanation>
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/the-hermit/senator-dastyaris-poor-judgment-open-to-more-questions-20160906-grabue.html
Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 9 September 2016 2:23:47 PM
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Dastyari has proved beyond doubt that he is not to be trusted with anything of any value to the country or it's people.

I wonder what makes Shorten think he can be recycled, as if his dishonesty was not a proven fact. Could he have a swage of votes in his pocket, or campaign funds. If the latter I wonder who from.

Obviously honesty & trustworthiness are not valued by the left.

We have seen that union bosses don't give a damn about the wellbeing of their members, & I guess it is only a continuation of this that approves of the likes of Shorten & Dastyari
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 9 September 2016 3:31:53 PM
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The only people who think Dastyari is "highly intelligent" are his Labor mates and others like him. What person who cannot pay a $1,600 bill is intelligent, particularly one even on a back bencher's salary? What intelligent person even asks anybody, particularly a foreigner, to pay his bill? Intelligence has never been in abundance among the political class, and a dead dog would have more of it than Dastyari. In time of conflict, he would definitely be a traitor, but in peacetime, he and the other tools can get get away with anything beacause they are all up to funny business.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 9 September 2016 5:55:21 PM
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I think that you are all being mean, what he poor bloke needs is some moral support and a rise in pay; obviously his expense account didn't cover the amount that he owed and he had to fund it another way.

Dastyari showed initiative in bludging off someone for the dosh, sure;y no one expected him to pay a private expense with his own money?
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 10 September 2016 9:06:57 AM
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With the greatest respect, I think some commenters here are missing the point: yes, Barry O'Farrell may have stood down as NSW Premier over a single bottle of wine, while Chine companies with close ties to the Communist Party pay Dastyari's $ 40,000 and $ 1670 bills. Common or garden corruption. Yours is bigger than mine.

But Dastyari then spruiks for the Chinese Government over its aggression in the South China Sea, and flouting of international guidelines on the building of structures on reefs and shoals [structures ?! Military bases ? Airfields ? Naval bases ?] and claims all the enclosed waters its own.

How many reefs and shoals are there around the world ? A million ? How easy it would be for, say, the Yanks to get busy setting up a thousand naval bases around the world on shoals near the coastline of other countries ? Then claim the waters between them and the US as its own ?

Example: it's now forgotten but New Zealand used to be administered from New South wales. Al those reefs and shoals around New Zealand were once part of our beloved homeland. And now the New Zealanders are despoiling them, polluting the waterways - OUR historic waterways - and neglecting their potential. If the Australian government had the courage to decide to rehabilitate what was once clearly ours, lands and seas that we still dearly love, and perhaps build 'research stations' on some of those shoals, what would be wrong with that ? And claim the whole of the Tasman Sea as our own domestic, internal waterway into the bargain ? Clearly, the New Zealanders don't intend to do anything constructive with those shoals, OUR shoals, or the Tasman Sea, so why not take them back ?

All bullsh!t of course, but that's the logic that Dastyari seems to be ready to prostitute himself for.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 10 September 2016 12:08:21 PM
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Politicians by and by are nothing more than rats in Armani suits. Depending on the 'weave and colour' of the material that each suit is made from, will determine if the wearer is a Labor, Liberal, Green or other variety of rat.

Another factor is the amount of money they can siphon, divert, collect or launder through various means. Did we not hear a mention of Malcolm Turnbull's name in the so called Panama Papers recently...what happened there ? Where did the question of Tony Abbott's "UK Citizenship" go ?

Sure, what Dastardly Sam has been caught out on is very dodgy...quite possibly unconstitutional, but what about the last 20 or so years of "donations" for every other rat at local council level, developers influencing planning re-zones, state parliamentarians getting sweeteners from mining companies (Adani & Halliburton in Qld) etc ? Where did all the $Zillions go from the mining boom ?

Keep voting for these rats and you will certainly wake up post election day with a rat nest to deal with. Otherwise, keep postulating, hypothesising, and moaning year and year out, or wake up and exercise your constitutional right by expressing your will in a letter to your local, state & federal representative.

See: http://www.peoplesmandate.iinet.net.au/your_will_be_done.pdf
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Sunday, 11 September 2016 11:05:26 AM
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Ratyari (thanks, Albie) was only allowed on the opposition front bench if he agreed not to get front bench pay. Some deal they did to ensure that the far left senator Carr ('saviour' of the car industry) got back into the senate. Perhaps Ratyari thought that his agreement entitled him to pick up a few bob on the side - as good a theory as any, seeing we will never know the truth, which would be sure to redden the cheeks of all politicians.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 11 September 2016 1:11:59 PM
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Where Dastyari is concerned it goes beyond obvious, cheap political corruption.

<Dastyari does not deny that he told a news conference for Chinese media that Australia should leave China to its own devices in the disputed territory of the South China Sea. He no longer repeats the “dog ate my homework” claims of being misquoted that he had pushed out earlier via favoured journalists.

Examination of his Senate committee appearances shows he has been deliberately exploring the delicate strategic fissures of Chinese expansionism in the South China Sea, the US alliance, international law and our relationship with Japan. His questioning of Defence secretary Dennis Richardson and former Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade secretary Peter Varghese has been naive and clumsy at best, mischievous and subver­sive at worst. His lines certainly didn’t serve Labor’s policy interests or the ­nation’s but would have pleased people (in places such as Beijing) keen to see a change in posture from Australia. In 2014 an agitated Richardson urged Dastyari to “read the ANZUS Treaty” and defence minister David Johnston said the senator’s questions were “not in our national ­interest”. Last year a similar ­exchange with Varghese met with similar resistance.

Dastyari was playing with serious issues involving freedom of navigation for most of this ­nation’s resources exports, competing claims of sovereignty in East Asia, potential military flashpoints, our alliance obligations under ANZUS and our continuing trade and strategic relationships with China, Japan and other ­regional players. Why? There is nothing in his background to suggest interest in foreign ­affairs. His short but steep career previously showed little aptitude for anything other than factional deals, campaigning, political fundraising and media stunts.

Yet the man who has just ­resigned as consumer affairs spokesman has been meddling with Labor’s bipartisan support for regional stability, the rule of law and the US alliance as expressed through our stand on the South China Sea. Why?>
[The Australian]
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 11 September 2016 1:24:05 PM
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The man is a traitor.
He was and is acting against the sovereign policies of Australia.
He needs to be removed from the parliament.
His bosses surely must see his treachery.
Or does he hold some private sway over them.
This bloke who avowedly hates Australia is still allowed
to sit in parliament and make decisions that affect us all.
Bring on the revolution.
Posted by chrisgaff1000, Sunday, 11 September 2016 10:03:24 PM
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Sam was one of abc's favourite sons.
Posted by runner, Monday, 12 September 2016 11:52:23 AM
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Notwithstanding the incredible stupidity of accepting a loan that could easily have been obtained on a credit card, are these comments meant to imply that Australian citizens and especially parliamentarians should not probe and challenge foreign policy?
Posted by EmperorJulian, Monday, 12 September 2016 12:10:03 PM
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http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/christopher-pyne-blows-up-over-political-donations-on-today-show/news-story/8bdf446c4af4ece1f9b40e118ef1c13d
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 12 September 2016 1:57:03 PM
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Forget about the "submarines"...the RAN can't find enough crew to man the ones we already have. DMO can't recruit, retain or keep enough skilled tradespeople to maintain & repair the torpedo systems.

The whole show is, to paraphrase former Defence Minister Johnston..."not fit to build canoes...".

Along with a lame duck F35 programme (also yet to be delivered), the new submarines may as well have the optional flyscreens fitted for 'tropical operations' for all they are worth.

As usual, the sailor, soldier or airman tasked to operate these overpriced POS will do their job in newly made Chinese manufactured boots and uniforms...what a joke the past 20 years of Australian governments have been.
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Monday, 12 September 2016 8:33:16 PM
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Something stinks real bad with that defence contract.
I read that DNS is building 6 nuclear submarines for someone else (can't remember who) for just over 20billion.
70 for 12 diesel electrics doesn't add up and all they are is an extension of US foreign policy.
What do we need intelligence subs for?

We need missile defense systems like the S-400 / S-500 and tactical nuclear deterrent capabilities and that's about it.

I'd tell the US to give us 6 Virginia class nuclear subs for free, or they can take all their military stuff on our shores and get the hell out.
Then I'd consider asking Russia if they want a base on our north-western shores in return for giving us missile defense capabilities.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 12 September 2016 8:58:32 PM
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If we must allow the Chinese to have land, at least restrict it to 20 years leases. Australia cattle and sheep stations are all leases they continue on.

We should not allow the Chinese to own Australian land. Australian land must be regarded as a key national strategic asset.
Posted by Referundemdrivensocienty, Monday, 12 September 2016 9:19:32 PM
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<Sam Dastyari praises 'incredible work' of Communist Party mouthpiece People's Daily

Former Labor frontbencher Sam Dastyari praised the Chinese Communist Party's official propaganda outlet for its "incredible work" in building relations with Australia.

In a 2015 Chinese New Year message he recorded for People's Daily Online Australia, Senator Dastyari said the state-run newspaper provided a "strong voice" for Chinese Australians>

while,

<A subsiduary of the People's Daily, The Global Times, recently ran an editorial that warned: "If Australia steps into the South China Sea waters, it will be an ideal target for China to warn and strike.">

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/sam-dastyari-praises-incredible-work-of-communist-party-mouthpiece-peoples-daily-20160912-gred5n.html

Shorten still has Dastyari in the Senate on a generous salary and benefits scheme funded by Australian taxpayers. Where he can easily access and demand confidential information from government agencies.

The arrogant, gutless Shorten insulted the electorate by saying that Dastari will be very soon back in a more influential post.

Dastaryi should be out of the Senate, ASAP!
Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 10:54:15 AM
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OMG I thought a hacker must have got into my computer and redirected me to either InfoWars or a David Icke site.

About the only thing going for you chrisgaff1000 is if you are only an intentional low life Troll looking for a bite. Given your ID Nym, seems to be a certainty!

On the other hand, it's also possible you genuinely believe what you say. And if that is the case then I not only believe you are bat-poop crazy psychotic to the nth degree, I know you are!

No wonder there are so many sycophant incompetence loser politicians today, because there are millions of rank idiots like chrisgaff1000 who Vote in Elections.

God help us all if this is the best that humanity can toss up millions of years after the Neanderthals walked the earth.
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Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 1:05:39 PM
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Thomas O'Reilly, thanks for a voice of sanity against this avalanche of McCarthyite drivel.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 1:36:24 PM
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I agree with what Chrisgaff1000 said.
So, TO'R and EJ what are you two going on about? What did I miss?
I'm trying to make sense of it and all I can figure is maybe it's boyfriend, boyfriend and boyfriend.
The two of you and Sam Dastyari.
What the hell is going on here??
Are you Labour Party shills?

Here's an Infowars article. Lol.. You know you want it.
http://www.infowars.com/update-putins-favorite-chauffer-killed-in-accident-exactly-as-former-cia-director-described-on-tv/
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 2:56:04 PM
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The HS reports today that Dastyari "praises communist China's propaganda arm" as that country's ships enter Japanese waters.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 3:13:59 PM
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Yes Chinese and the Japanese are on speaking terms, and Naval ships going to Japan, and soon will be doing Naval exercises in conjuncyt with Russia.

Today or tomorrow Russia and China begin Military exercises in the Sth China Sea even doing attack landing on small atolls and defense against Submarines. Goes for a week I think.

Russia and China have been doing major military exercises across the nth hemisphere for years now. Their entire military services are now intertwined technologically and communications wise. They have the same views on Nth Korea, ie they are mad but they are contained.

Putin had a great meeting with Abe at the G20 and is about to setup major natural gas deals together, goodbye to the NW shelf!. Dawdlers always miss the bus.

China's also offered assistance to East Timor and are on their side regarding the "border disputes" oil/gas fields, and economic development.

China's coal purchases from Oz will progressively drop to next to nothing, in switching to nuclear power plants and alternative energy. India too doesn't need the Adani Coal in Qld.

Putin's still waiting for Abbott to 'shirt front' him.

Germany and France are all kosher with Russia, Ukraine and Crimea a BS story started by US/NATO. Russia is no threat to Europe, period!

Erdogan and Putin had another friendly chat all sorted, Russia continues building nuclear power plants in Iran and more.

US fighter aircraft cannot touch the SU-35. two new US aircraft basically can't even fly properly. The US The Aegis Combat System has been 'cracked' by the Russians.

Russia, Sth Korea, Japan, China, Vietnam and few others are pulling together a new east asia pacific economic co-operation zone.

A Putin economic summit in Russia, 60 to 100 nations show up.

Yeah, Russia and China and just shaking in their boots with the US's saber rattling, NOT!

So flippant fools on social media in Oz can rave on all they want. No one of importance is paying any attention to you either!
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Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 5:08:40 PM
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otb,

Yes. And the absolute-left Sydney Morning Herald published the story, adding that, while other Australian politicians also presented their little bit for the the Chinese government run paper, Dastyari was the only one to tell the Chinese how good they were.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 6:20:46 PM
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Dastyari certainly needs to be interviewed by the AFP and ASIO. The situation gets worse everday. What have we still not heard?
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 6:24:24 PM
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The Australian: China ire at US swipe on political donations

China has reacted angrily to US ambassador John Berry...China blasted criticism of its actions as “unfounded allegations”.

“We noted that some people always love to give lectures like a preacher about the domestic polit­ics, rules and laws, and foreign policies of other countries,” the Chinese spokesman said.

“We would like to reiterate that the Chinese government has always opposed any country’s ­interference in the internal affairs of other countries. The Chinese side has never and will not use money to influence other countries’ internal affairs.”

The Chinese embassy spokesman said China’s position on the South China Sea and cyber-security were clear and consistent. “The allegations are wholly unfounded, politically motivated, and not in accordance with the facts,” the spokesman said. “It does no help to solve rele­vant issues.”

China had no intention of challenging any country’s position or role and hoped all parties would abandon a “zero-sum ­mentality”, he said.

“The world is facing economic, security and many other realistic challenges. In this situation, every country should say more conducive words to enhance mutual trust, make more contributions to increase mutual benefits, and take various advantages to work ­together in order to find more ­solutions, but not make more troubles and differences.”

Privately, government MPs told The Australian they thought Mr Berry had made an “extraordinary intervention”, leaving the nation in no doubt about America’s concerns over China’s financial influence in domestic politics.

Richard Rigby, the executive director of the Australian National University’s China Institute, said he had more confidence in Australia’s ability to “handle these sensit­ive issues” and conceded that Mr Berry’s comments “raised my eyebrows a little bit”.

“I hope that, in the course of his posting, he would realise that Australia is a firm friend and ally but a country which would continue to pursue an INDEPENDENT FOREIGN POLICY which is in our OWN INTERESTS,” Professor Rigby said.

“Just as Australians have to be careful about saying things about New Zealand without being at all PATRONISING, so too does America when talking about Australia.”
Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Thursday, 15 September 2016 10:11:50 AM
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"What have we still not heard?"

Who knows? What have you forgotten?

ALP powerbroker Mark Arbib has defended his confidential discussions with US officials in which he revealed the inner workings of the government and the parliamentary Labor Party.

Senator Arbib today sought to defuse tensions arising from his naming today as a key political source for the US Embassy, along with Labor colleagues Michael Danby and former minister Bob McMullan.

He argued it WAS NORMAL for federal politicians to hold discussions “with members of the US mission and consulate”.

The revelations, contained in secret embassy cables obtained by WikiLeaks and published by Fairfax, are sure to test internal divisions in the parliamentary Labor Party.

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FEDERAL minister and right-wing Labor powerbroker Mark Arbib has been revealed as a confidential contact of the United States embassy in Canberra, providing inside information and commentary for Washington on the workings of the Australian government and the Labor Party.

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From 1 July 2008 to 30 March 2009, Arbib served on the Senate Committees for Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade, Corporations and Financial Services, and Education, Employment and Workplace Relations.

On 27 February 2012, hours after the ALP leadership ballot, Arbib announced his resignation from the Cabinet from 2 March, and his intention to also resign from the Senate. He cited wanting to spend more time with his family than being a Minister and Senator can allow. He also hoped his resigning would help the Labor Party to heal.

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I was one of perhaps thousands who demanded Arbib be removed from the Senate by the ALP leadership as a result of his willingness to act as an UNETHICAL "Covert Information Mole" for a Foreign Nation from inside the then Government of Australia.

Arbib did not 'resign' for the reasons given, he was pushed very hard upon his own self-important traitorous sword!

So, there is something you "still (have) not heard" and had undoubtedly forgotten.

The US 'shills' are Manipulative Lying Hypocrites. The Public is gullible with very short memories.
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Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Thursday, 15 September 2016 10:29:29 AM
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