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Long Tan and Japan

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2012-" The Northern Territory's new Chief Minister, Terry Mills, says that 70 years after the bombing of Darwin it's time to consider a memorial to also honour the Japanese who died in the battle."
So a squad of Japanese Seld Defence buglers marches into Darwin and raises the Rising Sun flag? And dodges the stones from protesters?
It's "so disappointing" that Vietnam doesn't agree with the RAR rising sun badge being on parade at Long Tan ,says the oy oy ozzies.
Some threaten to "march over the buggers" ( like premier Askin said to Pres Johnson)... even if it needs conscription to get us there.
Posted by nicknamenick, Thursday, 18 August 2016 7:12:05 AM
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huh?
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 18 August 2016 11:30:38 AM
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nicknamenick, the criminal, Askin said to the war criminal Johnson "Drive over the bastards". A dirty war conducted by equally dirty politicians. I was in Sydney city that day, not to wave government supplied "All The Way With LBJ" placards, but to protest the American war criminals presents in our country.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 18 August 2016 11:46:43 AM
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huh.
Posted by nicknamenick, Thursday, 18 August 2016 11:46:46 AM
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yeah.
( my last post ( good grief , what an expression) was to mhaze and the forum blocked me saying 'huh?').
But amazing, some think they can march over Vietnamese in today's Vietnam. I squirm.
Posted by nicknamenick, Thursday, 18 August 2016 11:50:21 AM
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I seem to think that most people understand we don't have a right to demand that the Vietnamese (or Turks for that matter) allow us to to celebrate our fighting a war on their soil. Particularly when the battle in question resulted in the defeat of the Vietnamese forces and significant loss of life for them.

The grievance is more about them having agreed to allow such a ceremony, only to renege at the 11th hour. Had they told us to piss off a few months ago, I think we'd have understood.

In a roundabout way, we are quite fortunate in that we don't have any local sites where we can commemorate our fallen at the actual place of the action. Few nations have that privilege.
Posted by mhaze, Thursday, 18 August 2016 1:17:48 PM
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The SMH explains it as expecting 50 and getting 3000 triumphant celebrators.

"But up to 3000 visitors have arrived this week in the nearby town of Vung Tau for a series of events, including a gala dinner Thursday evening at the five-star Pullman Hotel, according to Australian businessmen in the town. They have packed the town's bars and restaurants."
Posted by nicknamenick, Thursday, 18 August 2016 1:37:02 PM
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More figures:
The major Japanese bombing of Darwin killed about 140 Australians with around 100 Allied deaths. In total Japan's bombing of Aust killed about 900 in 1942-3 and lost 131 bombers and fighters.
Thus Japan's casualties here were about the same as Oz in Long Tan.
Posted by nicknamenick, Thursday, 18 August 2016 6:38:03 PM
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As someone who spent a bit of time in Cambodia, Laos and North and South Vietnam in the late '60s
I am quite happy to celebrate(?) our worst overall defeat, thanks to the stupidity of the Americans and
their leaders as cited by Paul1405.,here at home.
I prefer to sit on my porch and look out over the property I was told I was defending for the future of our kids (more lies)
What the boys of Long Tan achieved was miraculous in itself but not unexpected as Australians and it is
crap that medals and citations are just now starting to flow.
For the Communist North Vietnam government of which, I am sure their are remnants of their Army still
in power, the 11th. hour rebuttal is just another shock tactic in their still running war chest with the west and Australia.
Walk away tall and proud soldiers of D company,6RAR
Posted by chrisgaff100, Friday, 19 August 2016 1:32:19 PM
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You are OK with Japanese uniforms, music and troop entertainment for 3000 soldiers of the Emperor in Darwin in these days?
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 19 August 2016 4:47:39 PM
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Is it all that difficult to fathom why the Vietnamese might still be somewhat sensitive with matters concerning a war which lasted for 30 years on their home soil, and resulted in the destruction of their country, with over a million of their citizens killed, many of whom were civilians. No celebrations on our part are necessary, rightfully they should be seen as offensive, Save our respect for those killed in all wars for ANZAC Day.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 20 August 2016 10:01:33 PM
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What is needed is a concerted effort by the relatives and supporters of interned Japanese World War 2 prisoners to ask [demand] the Oz govt and RSL facilitate preferential treatment/diplomatic courtesy to allow them to hold large memorial services for the Cowra Japanese POW escape whenever they want to - shock, horror! - I am Australian born of an Australian serviceman [died in New Guinea] and English born mother [both deceased]! The sooner the Great Anzac Spirit and how our brave lads died for their country [and not Yanks paranoid about Communism] in Vietnam is dead and buried the better - Most of the wars fought are self vested interests where both sides try hard to paint the picture that REALLY the Queen, the Emperor, The President, is a more deserving than the other side's head honcho or it is clearly 'In the National Interest' [of 'us lot' and not 'them lot' and dehumanise like the Jews labelled as rats by Nazis and the Viet Cong ad Gooks] The Poms Hallowed Old battle hymn "Land of hope and glory, mother of the free" is not challenged as rubbish still today. Great Britain basically took over half of the world and insisted the ignorant locals were wrong to be free from 'superior' British civilisation and r-e-a-l-l-y the king or queen or the military and politicians were acting in the newly ruled over local peoples' national interest by encouraging them with Christian firepower to agree that the Poms really knew best and that had a 'righter right' to rule over the locals! If, as a Turkish mother in Australia I wish to have myself or my relatives stand in for my son killed at Gallipoli by the invading Anzacs to Turkey in 1918 at 25 April memorial services, etc in Canberra or Sydney, et al cities do you seriously think that this would get a big govt and RSL tick of approval and a respectful friendly hearty slap on the back and "Good on ya Luv, mate' ? Anzac Self interest Reigns Supreme! "We alone know what is right!"
Posted by Citizens Initiated Action, Monday, 22 August 2016 9:34:11 PM
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