Referring to Parents as 'Mum' and 'Dad' Banned Under School Guidelines.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/mum-dad-banned-under-school-guidelines/news-story/da5a31c4c6b15c16c4ee41a339655eac

Transcript from Media Watch on articles printed in
The Daily Telegraph:

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4507191.htm

This paper is not known for factual information.
Just the fact that Miranda Devine writes for them says it all.

Dear david f,

You have a point there about the difference between the function of a Chaplain/Counsellor in “live-in” institutes like prisons, and at public schools where the affected student’s parents can seek counselling (unless a professional psychiatrist is required) according to their worldview preferences.

As for the “LGBT community’s” pressure, I can only repeat that I have learned to distinguish between ordinary workers and the Party claiming to speak for them. I sense a similar difference between ordinary people with a minority sexual orientation (whether or not they have a problem with it) and activists from the “LGBT community” who exert all sorts of pressure (see e.g the controversies about the right of a man who says he is a woman to use women’s toilets and locker rooms in the US) on the general public thus creating new aversions that keep the activists in business.

So after all, government support for school chaplaincy should be subject to the same rule that I outlined above for (Christian) RE: Keep it as long as it is perceived as being of benefit for both the school and the wishes of the (majority of?) students, i.e. their parents.

For instance, here in Germany the Government pays for Muslim counsellors (imams) in prisons, and as the number of Muslims grows, it is about to pay for the teaching of religious education for Muslims in public schools, provided it can find the Muslim organisation (of which there are many) whose supervision of the teaching will be acceptable not only to the Government but also to the variety of Muslim organisations. If Catholic or Protestant RE is not offered at a particular school it is not because “state demands that public schools be religiously neutral” (i.e. atheist) but because of lack of sufficient interest among parents. One does not observe this lack of interest in religious education among Muslim parents, but for now it is still being left to the imams teaching at Centres around mosques.

After all, it is this civilisation, successor of Christendom, that is demographically in decline, not Islam.

@Fox, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 3:43:41 PM, re Media Watch

What you conveniently ignore is that Media Watch itself omitted (censored?) more recent details. Also, why was it so careful to avoid checking for influence of the already discredited Safe Schools program?

See here for a lengthy and detailed follow-up by Miranda Devine, who you obviously hugely dislike and make a point of sledging, suggesting that you are taking a partisan position anyhow, which is no better than what you are accusing her of doing,

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/girls-who-are-girls-but-not-girls--its-time-to-stop-the-safe-schools-subterfuge/news-story/bf3a5633c20dbfee6a6a57596b153cd8

Dear George,

I see no difference between a Marxist state pushing atheism on students in a school and Queensland public schools having classes in which students are told they should believe in a particular religion.

I have no objection to students being told about the belief systems, history and actions concerning a religion or being told about those who have rejected religion without advocating either course.

The first paragraph describes indoctrination. The second describes education.

A school should educate not indoctrinate.

Hi David,

Yes, spot-on. But as a non-believer, I don't have any qualms about schools tracing the development of our current value system back to their Judeo-Christian-Hellenistic roots, and to the historical struggle to initiate and develop the human rights and freedoms that are the formal pillars of society today, through all their twists and turns.

If possible, teachers could familiarise themselves with any similar social developments in Islamic societies and in other societies - to the extent that there has been any such development, so without gilding the lily.

Perhaps schools should be teaching basic logic, values and morals from the beginning, or at least drawing their kids' attention to the logic, values and morals in every story that they read.

Just a thought.

Cheers,

Joe