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Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 1 February 2016 10:31:09 PM
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Hi Foxy, I can only point you to the Roberto Curti case. By examining the facts in this case, and given the outcome, any reasonable person would come to the conclusion that there was a miscarriage of justice and several police officers should have gone to jail.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/police-used-excessive-unnecessary-unlawful-force-on-brazilian-student-roberto-curti-court-hears-20141117-11o3tr.html Hi o sung wu, thanks for putting the human side to this. What so many do not understand is when someone (a person with feelings) kills another human being, regardless of the circumstances, there are no winners only losers. I posted that earlier. I am pleased to hear that in your long service with the police you never had to use you weapon against another human being, which fortunately is the case for the vast majority of officers, lets hope it stays that way. Maybe there is also the human element in good people, a bit more than simply worrying about the bad publicity afterwords as to why they don't shoot when they feel justified in doing so. There are many in society who want to load the gun, but don't want to pull the trigger. Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 4:18:41 AM
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Steel,
"I do hope you were aware the person in the second video did not have a gun nor was he committing an armed robbery. He did though sequentially [bit by bit?] die of his wounds." The report said that he had a gun and his right hand is not visible, but if you have any info then a reference would be handy. "Here is the thing though. Over 30% of armed robberies pre the gun buyback involved a firearm. The figure is now about 10%. The likelihood of a victim dying in armed holdups has dropped dramatically." Reference? "Why then are you seeking to dilute our gun laws or do you care for gun rights more than victim rights?" I only seek to remove the stupid parts of our gun laws and I care for victims rights, I care that people in Australia are denied any means of self defence. Do you realize that to carry a stick to ward off a savage dog is unlawful as is having an umbrella for the purpose of protecting one's head from nesting magpies? Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 7:50:21 AM
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Paul,
No winners? Utter rubbish. The hostages were winners because they are alive and it is undeniable that it is better to be alive, with a few bad memories than dead with none. I know/knew dozens of men and one woman who had killed numerous times and didn't have one regret and never thought about it except for a laugh or two on Anzac Day. The woman was the late Nancy Wake, a distant relative that I met a few times. She killed more men than any other woman in Australian history including one German soldier with her bare hands, no regrets at all. Winners? Australia and France. I have a friend who shot criminals in a New Guinea night club; the crims held the place up and murdered the security guard and ordered everyone to lay on the floor. Fearing for the safety of his pregnant wife and others he drew his pistol and shot five of the criminal murderers dead. Hasn't lost any sleep over the incident. Winners? His wife and the rest of the night club patrons and staff and New Guinea in general. Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 9:14:26 AM
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Hi there PAUL1405...
Indeed, for any copper to shoot and kill another, whatever the circumstances, is most certainly a career defining moment. In all Australian jurisdictions the judiciary are always very suspicious of taking a human life. Even in circumstances which have shown police have acted in a correct, lawful, and even in a heroic manner. And as I said earlier, I consider myself very fortunate indeed not to have been placed in a position where it was necessary to shoot another person. I came quite close on a few occasions, but fortunately it never actually happened? A half century on, I still have negative reminiscence from my military days. I need only hear the familiar sound of 'rotor wash' to cause a very stifling response. An adverse sensation of a type, I'd never wish it, to revisit me, especially when a copper. Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 2:44:01 PM
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Dear Is Mise,
You wrote; “The report said that he had a gun and his right hand is not visible,” What report? As an aside; American suffers a horrific mass shooting in a cinema. In order to defend himself against such an attack a man arms himself with a pistol to go watch a movie. Man accidentally shoots woman in the back in the cinema. Who are the winners in this? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/01/26/man-who-feared-mass-shootings-brings-gun-to-movie-theater-accidentally-shoots-woman/ This is what you would want for Australia? Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 2 February 2016 3:28:20 PM
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Pleasant videos mate and you say you there are plenty more on youtube. Well if that is how you fill your evenings and get your kicks who are we to judge.
I do hope you were aware the person in the second video did not have a gun nor was he committing an armed robbery. He did though sequentially die of his wounds.
Here is the thing though. Over 30% of armed robberies pre the gun buyback involved a firearm. The figure is now about 10%. The likelihood of a victim dying in armed holdups has dropped dramatically.
Why then are you seeking to dilute our gun laws or do you care for gun rights more than victim rights?