From yesterday's SMH,

"Trouble erupted last year when the plans were submitted for the development showing the mosque would have three levels of underground parking and two levels above ground, including two prayer rooms for a total of 78 worshippers and two classrooms to accommodate 45 people."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/south-hurstville-mosque-debate-hijacked-by-right-wing-groups-20160108-gm25pj.html#ixzz3wswFE0WI

Seems a big building for so few people.

Dear Is Mise,

Build it and they will come.

Why stop at one? Why not build half a dozen in Hurstville? There are usually several churches in every suburb of Sydney so why not get blanket approval from NSW government to build several mosques in every suburb. Especially Cronulla which needs all the mosques it can get.

It's bigger than integration: it's cultural synthesis in an ethnic based segregated Australia. It's so obvious that we should have thought of it sooner. It's just what every Australian neighbourhood needs - a towering mosque with a Muslim cleric on top screeching out something or other at the top of his voice at 4 o'clock in the morning.

Let's do it! (And just as long as I never have to live in Hurstville I'm all for it).

Foxy,

That seems to be one of the anticipated problems.

As much as resident feminist/regressives hate to admit they are a lot safer in Sydney walking past Hillsong than they are mosques. Still idiotic comparisons will be made. Suddenly many refugees in Germany are now rapeugess. Can't say they were not warned.

Dear runner,

I can only speak on my experiences regarding the
modern mosque in out city. Walking past it presents no problem
what so ever. Of course I have no idea what the mosques in
the Sydney suburbs are like. Our suburbs here in Melbourne
appear to be quite safe. That's probably true of all
churches - depending on the areas they're located. As we know
some areas are poorer, with high unemployment, alcohol
and drug abuse, presenting different kinds of problems - and
of course police presence. I would not walk in those areas.

Runner,
This video shows what the women of Cologne actually endured, calling it groping and touching is playing it down.
http://www.facebook.com/OCEANSIDEGANGBUSTER/videos/809874159122841/
If that footage upsets people too bad, you need to be upset because censorship blinded the Germans to the truth about the "refugees", lies and pathological altruism led to the rapes.

Will anyone be surprised if we see a pogrom against Middle Eastern refugees by German vigilantes in the not too distant future? Allowing so many refugees into the country shows one how stupid and shortsighted Germany's politicians and policy makers are. Germany has a history of violence which can be traced back to early medieval times and it only needs something like the recent rape jihads in Cologne to spark the German citizens into rioting against all Muslims in the communities across Germany. Let's keep our fingers crossed and hope that we don't see any acts of rape jihad by Muslims in Australia.

Jay Of Melbourne,

As commented in another place, given their past 'form', there would be no surprise at all if the sexual offences being committed against women are only the tip of an iceberg. They would also be preying on easier targets - grooming children, including use of drugs and child trafficking.

Merkel has a lot to answer for.

It is impossible that Merkel and her advisors did not know in advance what would happen as a direct result of her policies, but ideology ruled. Now she refuses to be held accountable for her social experimentation.

OTB,
Merkel and her left wing allies are devoting all their energy to suppressing and covering up the reports of criminal activity by migrants, another Police whistleblower has appeared on German TV to explain that his commanders have a policy of not passing on immigrant crime reports to the media or posting them on their own websites.
German vigilantes are already carrying out reprisals in Cologne, last night seven migrants were attacked and hospitalised, this is going get really rough as migrants of longer tenure and German born Muslims are forced to take a side.
We know what Europeans can do when their blood is up, we know from recent experience in the Middle East that typically in a fight with non Europeans our kill ratio is about 2,500 to one. The result of the "compassion" of the European elites is a foregone conclusion, all the security services can do is delay it and the longer it bubbles away in tit for tat fighting the more resentment and hatred will build and the more bloody the final battles.
I remember at the beginning of the year a German Facebook friend of mine said of Merkel "She's importing civil war".
See Merkel thought she was going to be able to palm most of these imported criminals off on poor Eastern European countries, increase their public debt and cosolidate the German hold on the EU economy.
The plan didn't work, now she's stuck with over a million unemployable, illiterate, low IQ men with over 3,000 more arriving each day.

Runner, 'Hillsong', is that the same 'Hillsong' fronted by the mega rich Brian Houston, who was exposed at the Child Sex Abuse Royal Commisson for not reporting his pedophilic father Frank Houston to the police. You say its safe to walk past Hillsong, seems it was not so safe inside for some children!
Are you a devotee? I wouldn't put up that money grabbing mob as a shining example of anything good.

Paul, I would suggest there is a huge difference between a paedophile and a Muslim committing rape as one is an illness, while the other is considered by the offender as a given right.

The plain simple fact is that everywhere these people have gone members from within have caused trouble, even chaos, yet we as a nation are not clever enough to realize this and by some form of a miracle we expect a different result.

Are we waiting for more attacks on innocent people to be planned in their secret hiding places. Utter stupidity!

Butch, as an atheists I condemn the perverse aspects of all religions including Islam and Christianity, their track record speaks for itself. On balance all religions are a negative for society, a mosque in Huntsville, or a church in Jerusalem, all based on superstitious nonsense. This mosque is only the outward sign, other that the practical problems in itself as a building, it presents no more of a harm than a new pub would in the area.
Religion gives people a focal point, and no matter how much the moderates within denounce the extremists, as not being "us", they are always, by default, associated with that extreme element, as they are part of the same organisation, with its flawed teachings and superstitions.

Paul,

By what Book would the pub be run?
Would it encourage the enslavement of non-drinkers if they didn't convert to alcoholic beverages?

Is Mise, as an ex-copper, you should realise pubs are often a focal point for "trouble" in the community. The excessive consumption of alcohol being a contributing factor to violence and other antisocial behavior, including road carnage. The community has genuine concerns about the building of this mosque in Hurstville, and those peoples concerns need to be addressed.
I do not seek to justify Islam, as I said, I oppose all organised religions on the grounds that, not only are they based mostly on nonsense and superstition, but they are down right harmful. However the religious nutters of all persuasions will tell you otherwise.

Paul 1405
Most Muslims take their faith about as seriously as most Christians, Mosques are only ever full on two days a year, Eid and the Prophet's birthday.
The only people who attend the Mosque five times a day are the unemployed, the elderly or religious nuts who live off a combination of welfare and charity.
Paul given that there is no data available on the criminal trends among migrants or their economic performance can you blame residents for being concerned about an influx of people who, anecdotally have the worst of reputations?
The bad reputation of Muslims is not undeserved, I've seen gross acts of violence, intimidation and intolerance on their part with my own eyes, the difference between their offending and that of Whites is that in something like 80% of cases White violence is accompanied by intoxication by alchohol or drugs, teetotalling Arabs, Africans and West Asians are on a hair trigger all the time.
Arabs, Africans and West Asians are biologically different not only to each other but to the larger ethnic groups in Australian society, the structure of their brains, their hormone levels, their low cognitive abilities are easily explained by the latest scientific research into genetics.
The Muslim faith is merely a system of living devised by seventh century Arab chieftans to control irrational, violent, low IQ men and to unite them in order to plunder other civilisations. When the plunder runs out, Islam withers away as it has in Iran where only an estimated 2% of people attend Friday prayers.
If the Australian government stopped supporting and promoting Islam it'd fade away in this country too and be nothing but an eccentric, irrelevant and innocuous pastime for a small handful of people.
The Australian government spends literally billons every year bringing in Islamic migrants,promoting the Islamic faith and setting up well funded interfaith and Anti Racism groups to defend the programme, there may be a separation of church and state but there's no separation of religion and state.
As an atheist and a Socialist how does this sit with you?

I don't know about Paul, Jay of Melbourne, but I don't think I have ever read such an obviously racist rant before on this forum.
What has skin colour got to do with this debate? Why are you obsessed with 'white' people? Where do you stand on white Muslims?

For a start, I am sure our Government does not 'promote' Islam, quite the opposite I would suggest. Any building of religious structures should be totally funded by that religion, and not have anything to do with the government at all.

All religious organizations should not get one cent from the government for anything at all. If a religious group wants to do 'good deeds' for others then they should not expect monetary rewards, as surely their God will repay them?

South Hurstville Muslims should be able to have a Mosque built there if all other religions already have their own structures built there. That is only fair in a multicultural country like Australia. Personally, I think community halls used by anyone should be enough space for religious gatherings, without special buildings needed to worship unproved gods.

I think you're all asking the wrong questions

To what degree is Saudi Arabia funding the building of Mosques and other funding partnerships like Universities and how is this contributing to the rise of 'Wahhabism' in Australia?

Why are our elected leaders allowing this things to occur whilst also playing down the threat of radical Islam?

- Is their some kind of arrangement with Saudi Arabia?

I'm all for moderate Muslims, but how does one tell if a Muslim is moderate?

Paul I see like a good regressive you tell lies to suite your narrative. Hillsong did not exist when Brian Houstens father committed his crimes about 50 years ago in NZ. I suppose with no moral base to draw from its no wonder you make up lies.

btw I am no fan of Hillsong

Paul,

"This mosque is only the outward sign, other that the practical problems in itself as a building, it presents no more of a harm than a new pub would in the area."

"Is Mise, as an ex-copper, you should realise pubs are often a focal point for "trouble" in the community...."

So you think that the mosque, as "it presents no more harm than a new pub", would be a focal point for trouble?

Bye the way, I'm not an ex-policeman although I have had a lot to do with the police.

Suse, then we agree, how about cutting off the disability pensions and Newstart allowances of people under 65 who spend most of the day in houses of worship instead of job hunting or education?
I'm not explaining the White social construct to you again but I'd recommend you do a search for scholarly articles on the reality of race, IQ differences and the biology of behavioural and group traits,the difference of opinion between the hard sciences and the social sciences are as night to day.
Many times I've pointed out the proven frauds of the social sciences like Stephen Jay Gould, Jared Diamond and Richard Lewontin, if people choose to believe liars an pop culture pundits over scientists that's their problem.

Race is a myth that persists in the face of logic.
There is only one race that characterizes us and it's called the human race.
It has variations within it but as all human variants can successfully breed outside their own variation and their offspring can reproduce then they belong to the same race.

Donkey/horse crosses produce mules; lions/tigers produce Ligers; goats/sheep produce geeps etc.
Homo neanderthalensis was of the human race and successfully bred with other variants, and some of their traits are found in today's humans.

Suseonline and others

We - as residents - were able to stop a mosque being built in Penshurst many years ago. Please research.

The application for a mosque in Hurstville is not a viable proposition for any/all residents under Hurstville City Council - refer to current info on Hurstville Council.

Paul 1405 - Is Mise - Suseonline

Suseonline - I believe lives in WA......so far away from the St George area under Hurstville City Council.

I rest my case. If she doesn't live in the St George Area (or in Sydney) and live with our problems, with respect - she has no idea, and maybe should do some research on her own without playing the "race game, when commenting on issues regarding the St George Area.

we should have a zero policy when it comes to mosques being used as secret hiding places to plan terror attacks on our own people as was the case in the callus murder of the police accountant.

For the benefit of the Suze's out there, that's not being racist, its being protective of the rights of our people to go about their daily lives in a safe and peaceful manner.

There is little doubt our relaxed peaceful way of life has forever been compromised and we should put an immediate stop to it.

If Muslims cant control their own, tough titties because prevention is way better than cure and it is they, our invited guests who have brought this so called religion with them, knowing full well of cause the same crap ruined the very place they ran away from. In fact, its borderline criminal to knowingly bring that with them to our country.

They tried, they failed, so now its time to remove the cause, Islam

If you want a mosque, go home and build one.

Rehctub -

Thank you. Our sentiments exactly.

We are not "racist" people - as they purport - we just wish to live in peace.

Saint, I would be all for you going down to Hurstville Council and kicking up a ruckus about a proposed mosque in South Hurdtville, but I don't think it would do any good, because the said mosque is covered by Kogarah Council.

runner, has the leopard changed his spots? The disgusting Frank Houston, a Christian Minister, abused at least 9 boys in Australia and NZ, that is not in dispute by his son Brian Houston, who as leader of 'Hillsong', and according to the Royal Commision was responsible for a cover up of the old mans crimes, again not in dispute. Why did Brian Houston cover up the disgusting activity of his father. It was you who first posted a reference to Hillsong on this thread, as some kind of shining example of moral fortitude, a safe haven, rubbish! I simply point you in the direction of its founder and leader, Brian 'Hillsong' Houston. You try to distance yourself from Hillsong, by saying "btw I am no fan of Hillsong", you were in a previous post, saying they are "safe".
Christianity, like Islam has a lot to answer for.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/23/hillsongs-brian-houston-failed-to-report-abuse-and-had-conflict-of-interest-royal-commission

Suse, Jay admits to being a "Raciest", we should give him a point for that, he may have got his diatribe from 'Mein Kampf', I don't know, I'm sure he's read it, but only he can answer that. Jay 'Mein Kampf' is back in the book stores in Germany for the first time since WWII, what does that tell you?

Any desperate association even if its 50 years ago of another man will do Paul. You can count on secularism producing and encouraging more kiddie fiddlers than many other world views. You have no moral base to draw from which explains your lies and twisting of things that have been said. The blind eye that your bbc/abc mob gave to the likes of Jimmy Saville says it all. In the secularist eyes artist taking nude shots of teenage girl is art while to others it is porn.

Suddenly you believe in absolutes by claiming Christianity has a lot to answer for. Wow a secularist believing in absolutes. What a hypocrite.

Seventh-Day Adventists build temples with
Community Centres, and Schools, and
residences, and once they move in they
pester the neighbourhood door to door.
But they are white and they look like us.
Should we protest? They not only look like us,
they talk like us, they dress like us, and
they pray like us. So tell me what should
the neighbourhood do?

What about Scientology?

They have temples in Australian major cities.

How peaceful are they?

But I'm told they are nice people.

And looking from a religious point of view (not terrorists)
Muslims are also nice people.

BTW: The local councils set the building and planning
rules and give permits in the interests of the local
development and communities. They also control
irregular noise pollution and traffic conjestion.

On that very note - two doors down from our house
in a private residence - the Buddhist Community
had established a Temple and a Community Center.
This did not comply with local planning regulations.

Due to noise, and traffic conjestion and disregard for
building regulations - the council closed the center down.

Foxy,

When was the last time that a Seventh Day Adventist strapped on a bomb and blew up himself and some innocent tourists?
A Muslim did it yesterday, one of them might do the same today and it's sure that one of them will blow up some more innocents in the near future.
Do the SDAs have a book that tells them that it's OK to lie to non-SDAs?
That it's OK to beat their wives?

Fox, "Seventh-Day Adventists build temples..But they are white"

It's those damned 'Whites' again, eh Fox? That hated mob from the UK (US too?).

You and some others here are so Ageing 'Boomer' faux leftist in your simplistic world view and attitudes.

You really need to move on from the tiresome leftist self-loathing cultural cringe of Phillip Adams and other faux left moral BS artists who were fashionable with the ABC and had such a bearing on your early adolescence. It was always very safe protesting, but it is time to get out of the rut. You do know that Phillip is a gentleman farmer living high on the hog and that the faux leftist stuff has been kind to him?

Dearest Foxy,

Somebody got in before me, to point out that, so far, no SDA or JW has blown himself up during one if his neighbourly visits.

A nice old gentleman visits my place every couple of months to drop off his little booklets, and tell me about the value of living forever and, by doing certain rituals, guaranteeing that it will happen. I listen politely, sometimes we discuss, in a desultory fashion, about the Flood or evolution or the goodness of his god, and then he goes on his way, while I bin his pamphlets.

When I see him suddenly plump, or with a suspicious long package on his back, I will start worrying. If I hear of SDAs or JWs or Mormons being implicated in a bombing or shooting elsewhere in the world, anywhere in the world, I will start worrying. But until then, I won't worry about them, but I WILL mildly worry about any Muslims knocking on my door.

This week: bombs in Istanbul, a stabbing in France, and charges of rape and sexual assault in various parts of Europe. SDA, JW, M bombs: none. Stabbings: none. Sexual assaults: none that I've heard of.

Love always,

Joe

PS. You're a good person. Have you told your husband lately that he is a lucky man. Remind him constantly :)

NSW Labor pushed another self destruct button today; Party General Secretary Jamie Clements, has been forced to give a written undertaking to keep away from Labor staffer Stefanie Jones for 12 months. Jones accused Clements of pushing her against a wall and trying to kiss her last June. What about Labor leader Luke Foley, who no doubt owes Clements a few favors, Foley refused to call for Clements resignation, not a good look Luke, not a good look at all.

Onthebeach, why have a go at Foxy mentioning white people, when your good comrade Jay of Melbourne can't write a post without mentioning his favorite colour?

Do you even know what faux means? It means false or pretend.
You rant about so-called 'boomer faux leftists' , so are you saying they are actually from the raving mad 'righties' camp then....the one you belong to?

Are all people who believe in multiculturalism and are not racist, from the 'boomer' years, only ever watched the ABC, and pretend to be 'leftists' then?

ROFL!

Suseonline,

Ok, since you want attention too, you are another from the same mold.

Fair dinkum, you both need to climb out of that faux-leftist cultural-cringing, anti-'White' moral BS of yesteryear.

Yesteryear? Hmm, make that last Millenium and thirty, forty plus freaking years ago.

runner, an example of perverted Christianity; Jonestown, Guyana, November 1978, 918 members of the Christian cult the Peoples Temple are murdered or comit suiside on the orders of cult leader Jimmy Joness.

1993; The Branch Davidians an offshoot of the Seventh Day Adventist Church, were responsible for a 51 day siege in Waco Texas, 87 people died including cult leader David Koresh.

"When was the last time that a Seventh Day Adventist strapped on a bomb and blew up himself and some innocent tourists?"

Is Mise, they don't need too, they carry out sieges where dozen die.

Foxy, that's a very desperate and poor attempt trying to compare the likes of 7Th day Adventists to Muslims.

Apart from annoying the crap out us with the rubbish they go on about, they don't pose a threat to our peaceful way of life.

In my post above that should be 'mould'. The reference to shape or substance is up to the reader. LOL

runner, BTW Frank Houston was committing his disgusting crimes as recently as the 1980's, well within your 50 year statute of limitation, when you forgive and justify all the crimes of Christianity. I wont even mention the Inquisition.

Oh don't worry Onthebeach, correcting your post did not improve its effectiveness at all.
You seem to be grasping at any straw to remain relevant in this conversation now.

As much as I support the rights of anyone believing or not believing in any God or church, I must admit I would be upset at any new large religious building being built near my home...Christian, Muslim or whatever.
But that is mainly because I am an atheist, and see no point in having a special building to worship make-believe gods who are supposed to be 'everywhere' anyway.

Mind you, I fail to see how a multicultural country like Australia can say no to another religious building, if they have already allowed all the other religious groups to build their own. As long as there is the proper space, parking and suitability for the area, then they really can't say no without being seen as racist or being anti-Muslim.

If they said no for no apparently sound reason, then that would be very in-Australian indeed

Watching a TV program on the Ku Klux Klan, who claim to be god fearing Christians at war with the inferior godless blacks, as well as some white supporters. The KKK is big on the Christian symbol of the cross. Between about 1880 and 1920 these god fearing Christians were responsible for the murder of some 4,000 people in the US.

Hi Paul,

You may be onto something - because of Jim Jones and the Branch [branch of what? Disavowed branch?] Davidians, any so-called 'crimes' of ISIS should be overlooked.

Because of crimes committed by someone else, somewhere else, in the past, the so-called 'crimes' of psychopaths under the banner of Islam committed now, should be discounted.

One = the other. It's all the same, only those committed earlier were somehow worse. We can't make judgements now about fascists because of what crackpots did years ago.

Is that it ?

I'm sorry, I'm old, I have got so out of touch with how I'm supposed to think of actions committed, nominally, against the US, actions which must therefore be good and proper. I've forgotten the rule: 'if it's anti-US, it's good.'

The problem with getting older is that you have a store of experience to draw on, and also that some of us read and reflect, we've nothing much to lose by doing so. So we realise that the world is complicated.

I'm sorry, I should remember that it is all supposed to be kept simple:

* US bad, all else good.

* US bad, all else good.

* US bad, all else good.

Got it. I think.

No, it's gone again :(

Curse you, George Orwell !

Joe

//and then he goes on his way, while I bin his pamphlets.//

What a waste. May I have them instead? I love religious leaflets. They're the funniest things not produced by the BBC, people with an irrational fear of muslims and good stand-up comics. It annoys me when people come door knocking, but when they've got one of their stalls in the town square I always stock up on their literature. I scored a free copy of the whole Book of Mormon complete with illustrations - not just some crappy leaflet - just by asking some Mormons nicely. It's hilarious.

//But until then, I won't worry about them, but I WILL mildly worry about any Muslims knocking on my door.//

They've started door knocking now? Well that is concerning. Thankfully I have a truly awful driveway and worse front steps which dissuades all but the most committed door knockers. They will be greeted in one of two ways, depending on whether or not they disturb my rest: if I am disturbed I shall answer the door in naught but my boxer shorts. That usually sends them packing. If I'm alert and active I'll invite them in for tea and fruitcake and try to swindle them out of as much hilarious evangelical literature as I can.

Paul,

"Is Mise, they don't need too, they carry out sieges where dozen die"

Where did they carry out a siege?

//Where did they carry out a siege?//

http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=waco+texas

http://tinyurl.com/hya2fm2

I note the Christian apologists on the forum don't mention the elephant in the room, the Catholic Church, the biggest user and abuser of all times. They though it was safe to throw up a couple of non-descripts, with runner its Hillsong, and Is Mise the Seventh Day Adventists. One a money grabbing bunch who's leader and mega rich founder was exposed as covering up the actions of his disgusting pedophilic father! The other mob were easily exposed as the wacko's from Waco. A couple of sorry examples fellas, you'll have to do better.

Hi Joe, my position is ALL religions are off the planet, including Islam, by their very nature they attract crazy people. When it comes to religion Americans can be as loony as the best of them. In 1997, 39 members of the Heaven's Gate Christian Cult committed suicide because they believed there was an alien space craft following the comet Hale–Bopp, and they were going to get on board and fly to heaven. Jay pointed out that its only say 2% that attend the mosque, and we can apply that to the church as well, regularly. Lets thank the nonexistent god for that.

Doesn't seem to be getting across, so I'll repeat.

"Is Mise, they don't need too, they carry out sieges where dozen die"

Where did the SDAs carry out a siege?

I'd really like to know.

Hi Paul,

There are no gods. Gods don't create ethical systems, societies do, and then sanctify them through religion. But ethical systems can't be completely controlled: hence all manner of splits and schisms and sects - and notions which might build on one of those ethical principles, but go off in a non-religious direction, despite efforts by religious authorities to control them. In other words, ethics can involve power as well as religion, but can evolve away from those reactionary bases.

MY point was that, like it or not, our ethical principles (I presume you have some?) aren't just dreamed up from nothing: they have origins, indirect and very attenuated as they may be, with some earlier ethical bases, in and amongst the various strands of our histories. I mentioned the Greeks, Romans (they DID do something for us), the Judaic traditions on which Christianity was partly based, the Indians, Phoenicians, the tribal nature of pre-Christian Europe.

They all contributed to our civilisation as it is now, and to its many ethical strands, via the slowly and painfully-constructed Enlightenment values, what one may call Enlightenment ethics.

All those ethical bases, worked and re-worked during the last five hundred especially, contributed. But of course, many ethical principles, of justice, freedom, love and equality, have severed their dependence on any religious links long, long ago.

To get BTT: the ethical bases of Islam are also varied, but from many quite different sources: Arab desert-tribal organisation, Persian, Indian, north African and Central Asian influences, absolutism, rigid attention to one written source, misogyny, brutal 'evangelism', and a casual attitude to human life. Those basic principles may be justified by religion but also throw up, among others, the fascist version of Islam known as Salafism, which is not necessarily religious, rather than about the raw and violent seizure of power. Not much justice, freedom, love and equality there.

As an atheist and ex-Marxist, I'm comfortable with acknowledging that much of Western ethics derive indirectly from the sources I mentioned above, often with violent opposition from religious authorities. That's history for you :)

Cheers,

Joe

Hi Joe,

Thanks for that, its a good account of what is so. Despite the good positives in religion, and there is much in the way of that in religious people, I find it difficult, on balance to say religion in general has been a plus for mankind. I believe much of what has been achieved in the name of religion would have came about simply by the inherent goodness of man. The vast majority of people do not commit murder not because it is against the law, or against the teaching of religion, but because they believe it to be morally wrong to do so.

Sorry, Is Mise you'll have to talk to runner on that one he's got all the haps on those sorts of things. Yep, no question about it Branch Davidians, aka The Seventh Day Adventist, were the wacko's at Waco and involved in a siege and shoot out. In this case I do believe they were on the receiving end. Is there a Seventh Day Adventist Church in your area, what's it like on the inside? Do you attend regular, or only for hatch n' match n' and dispatch n'?

I'd really like to know!

Paul 1405,
Who said the Catholic Church is the biggest user and abuser of all time? Compared to what? Can you cite some comparisons, perhaps with the Islamic Madrassa system in Asia or the Jewish Yeshivahs?
Are Catholic schools more of a rip off than Islamic or Jewish ones? Which religion bilks more out of it's followers and which returns the highest percentage of tithes and donations as charity?

Paul,

Having comprehension problems again I see.
The besieged are not the ones carrying out the siege, the ones carrying besieging are the ones carrying out the siege.

So when did the SDAs carry out a siege?
You're the one that said that they did so you're the one who ought to give a reference.

On another point the crimes carried out by Christians are totally irrelevant when compared to those committed and being committed by Muslims.
The Christians are in defiance of their founder's teachings, the Muslims are following their founder's teachings; therin lies the peril.

Paul 1405
You said - Saint, I would be all for you going down to Hurstville Council and kicking up a ruckus about a proposed mosque in South Hurstville, but I don't think it would do any good, because the said mosque is covered by Kogarah Council.

Response - and if/when said Councils (Hurstville/Kogarah/Rockdale(?) merge? .....issues remain the same, if not greater impact on all residents.

Paul 1045

If you had researched King Georges Road - particularly 849 King Georges Road - one would be aware of how busy King Georges Road is, and more particularly the length of road - and Councils such road would include, including current demographic of area/s.

I welcome any discussion.

In Victoria the State Government approved the wearing of a dagger by Sikhs.The sect requires men to wear the turban and the dagger.
The purpose of the dagger is to kill Muslims,who may attack them.
In Melton, Victoria the Sikh community were approved a temple.
Now the local council objected to the construction of a mosque but this was overturned by the State Government.
We now have Sikh men walking around with a large dagger on display.
Welcome to Victoria.2016.

Nice try for a stir Brock, but you must try to do better, do a bit of research before launching.
Firstly Sikhism is not a sect but a religion, in fact the fifth largest religion in the world.
The Kirpan (knife or sword) is carried for religious purposes and is not a dagger, it is not carried to kill Muslims and is not particularly well designed as a knife (its usual form outside India) and is often not sharpened at all.

One can understand a council approving a Sikh Temple and refusing approval for a Mosque; Sikhs, unlike Muslims, do not have a Holy Book that approves of lying, beating wives and forcing conversion on non-members of one's religion.

Brock

You obviously still don't get it... do you?

No Aussie wishes to kill a Muslim! Most Aussies have Muslim friends, who are neighbours and respect one another, we live in harmony – or is that your alleged issue? – that Aussies show respect for one another, no matter what colour, creed or religious beliefs they hold.

So I pose a question to you - with all migration of peoples to Australia for many generations, no matter their ethnicity, colour or religious beliefs - said generations, have all lived in peace and assimilated with their new country. Why is it that “terrorist” attacks against Australians are being committed by “our youth” – yes, that’s correct - Australia’s young citizens?

The proposed Mosque for King Georges Road is being opposed due to “demographic” of area. So do suggest some further research required by you, as maybe you live in Victoria and proposed Mosque being built in Sydney.

If you have any further comment, am most welcome to discuss.

Is Mise

Thanks for your post.

Proposed Mosque is being opposed due to demographic issues of area. King Georges Road currently bounds three Coucils, Canterbury, Hurstville and Kogarah... and has "no parking" restrictions at various times of day..... King Georges Road is the "heart beat" for police, ambulance and fire brigades to areas and suburbs along this route.

I could certainly write a book about the History of King Georges Road, maybe book should contain the fact that through Beverly Hills (King Georges Road) Hurstville Council built and planted "palm trees" along strip. Now Police, Ambulance, and Fire Brigades are unable to access "other side of road" in any emergency - as in the past, due to building a brick wall with "palm trees" ..so what value do you put on any "life" when time to get to patient, accident is critical....but hey - we don't matter. Council wanted the "Beverly Hills" Hollywood effect.

Is Mise and BROCK

I note no response has been made to my last post from BROCK.

I wish you and your family a very Happy Australia Day, a day I have spent with my neighbours, in a street of all colours, creeds and religions - all united in enjoying the "freedom" that life in Australia affords in living in peace, harmony, aspiration and life goals.

So what is wrong with this picture BROCK?