Is Mike Baird aiming to turn Sydney into a major holiday resort for tens of millions of Chinese tourists? All the indicators are there that this is his intention.

Is the new airport at Badgerys Creek to be nothing more than a FIFO point connecting Sydney with China? With hundreds of Chinese tourist shuttle buses racing back and forth along the M4 ferrying them to/from their holiday apartments around Sydney Harbour, the beaches and national parks. That would make sense of why Chinese nationals are buying apartments off the plan as investment property: they can rent them as short term accommodation for all of those Chinese holiday makers.

Just image Sydney as equivalent to the Gold Coast during the vacation season. At its peak 80% of the population of Sydney would probably be Chinese. There's a popular saying amongst the Chinese in Australia: 'Aren't Australians dumb?'. I think they've got a point.

A history lesson from post 1987 share market crash. All through 1988 to October 1989, interest rates were extremely low compared to many years earlier. Many Queensland holiday developments were built. Street names were in Japanese. Japanese retirees were coming to Queensland.
After Paul Keating gave Australia the recession we had to have. All those Japanese retirees disappeared. Several years later it turned out that during 1980, The Nikki share market reached 40,000, suddenly crashing to 20,000. ABC television Lateline stories told how retirees were encouraged by bank managers to invest in bank shares. The resulting Nikki crash of 20,000 were mostly due to bank shares. Japanese retiree savings were lost, sending retirees back work, to support themselves.

If you have faith in Capitalism as I do, to steal people wealth. Time will change investors wealth outcomes.

I am concluding, capitalist boom dust cycles are intentional ways to encourage speculative development. Chinese are known for their gambling behaviours. Bigger the gamblers the bigger the losses.

Another assumption might be that media love scaring readers with invasion/immigration stories, "foreigners taking over the country", distracting readers from self-concerning intelligent understandings skilful thought.

Hi steve101,

So what's your point? (PS I don't believe too much in conspiracy theories. Things do happen because of human agency but not to the extent that capitalist fiends are creating every outcome. Conspiracy theories belong in the movies and spy novels).

I'm glad you mentioned that Chinese are big gamblers. That begins to make sense of the new international casino going into Barangaroo. I can just see those thousands of Chinese tourists heading for a night out at the casino after frolicking around Sydney all day. You can start to see just how much money Baird's tourist resort is capable of pulling in from all those wealthy Chinese tourists.

I reckon there will also be about six luxury cruise ships docked in Sydney Harbour every day of the year and another two dozen ships doing their two-week rounds of the South Pacific islands. All full to the brim with little Fongs.

Be thankful Mr. Opinion, because the downturn of mining and the economy in Australia may very well lead us to almost totally depending on tourism for our survival.

The bus loads of peaceful, polite, big-spending Chinese and other tourists equal big money for our economy.
Racism, leading to less tourists and investments here, won't give you the Australian lifestyle you are used to, money will...

Dear Suseonline,

I'm just pointing out that it looks as if Mike Baird's singular purpose in office is to turn Sydney into a gigantic holiday resort for Chinese tourists. But unlike you, I don't think any financial benefit will flow onto the locals unless they happen to be Chinese. The Chinese are extremely nationalistic and believe they are a superior race belonging to the world's oldest surviving civilisation. Haven't you ever wondered what the central purpose of the Chinese New Year is?

Don't expect to get treated nicely by the Chinese when Baird's holiday resort is up and running. Anybody who is not Chinese will be despised by the Chinese in just the same way the British settlers in Australia despised the Aborigines. And you can bet anything that the lion's share of profits from Baird's holiday resort will be channeled straight back to China. I think the Chinese will take great pleasure in dishing out the same sort of treatment that they received from foreigners during the later Qing dynasty.

Mr Opinion, unless all those Chinese tourists can find only Chinese-owned shops, accommodation and tourist spots in Sydney, then how on earth will they not spend money for the Australian economy's good?

You are not making any sense at all.
We need tourism badly, so get used to it.

Dear Suseonline,

For you to say 'unless all those Chinese tourists can find only Chinese-owned shops, accommodation and tourist spots in Sydney, then how on earth will they not spend money for the Australian economy's good?' indicates to me that you are from outside of Sydney.

At present, Chinese general businesses like shops, franchises, etc practically dominate Sydney and the Chinese have being buying up almost every new apartment complex for the past ten years as investment properties. Believe me when I say that Chinese business will absolutely dominate the Chinese-related tourist side of Baird's holiday resort and all the profits will be channeled back to China. If you ever visit Sydney you will notice that a lot of Chinese operated small businesses a trading on a cash only basis, employing only Chinese workers, and I've heard a rumour that their workers are being paid cash in hand. In other words, no benefits will trickle down into the Australian community.

Mr. Opinion, I am not from Sydney, but I would imagine that if there are all these Chinese people and businesses taking over Sydney, I might have heard about it?

Even if these people are paid cash, they still have to eat and live in Australia, so that money is even partly spent here of course.

In any case, most of the posters on this site think we are being over-run by Muslim people who are hell-bent on being terrorists.
So Chinese people mightn't be so bad....

Dear Suseonline,

Don't wait to hear about it. You should visit Sydney and have a look for yourself. You will be absolutely amazed at how many Chinese are in Sydney. In the CBD itself the ratio is about 2 in every 3 people who are Chinese. And there are a handful of very large suburbs where the count could be as high as 9 in 10.

Believe me, you really need to see it. When the Chinese move into an area everyone else sells up and heads for the bush. I reckon when Baird's Chinese holiday resort is up and running at full speed the ratio will be about 4 in 5 people in Sydney will be Chinese.

Mr Opinion,

Can you actually tell by looking whether someone is Chinese rather than Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Lao, Cambodian, Thai, Malaysian or Indonesian? Or even just Australian with oriental ancestry?

Indonesia is a chain of islands off the Chinese Spratley territory and Australia is within the 500km Mineral Exploration Zone of People's Chinese Indonesia. The RAAF is warned not to fly over the sensitive Pilbara iron-import asset of Peaceful People's Peking Property.

Mr Opinion.

Firstly during the Dudd and Dillard reign they let in over 50,000 so called refugees in a 5 year period more of them contributed to raising the crime rate and did Millions of dollars damage to infrastructure, than Chinese visitors have done over the whole of the time they have been visiting Australia as tourists or buying these high priced houses you claim they are buying.

People you claim move out of areas that Chinese live in, not all do but they I would bet feel safer than the people who live in or around the areas where a lot of the middle eastern gangs and criminals live.

Media in Australia can't go more than a few days without reporting crimes committed by the middle eastern immigrants, shootings stabbings and gang rapes. This is also an escalating statistic coming from African refugees who are only recent arrivals.
Now you are good if you can find more than one or two crimes committed by Chinese in Australia per month. (these nationalities are a danger to Australians not Chinese)

Seems to me you have an ulterior motive by you post or you have a grudge against Chinese people, maybe if you say what you problem with them is it might help others understand.

Dear Aidan,

My answer to your question is YES.

'Australian' is no longer a nationality. It is just a stamp on a passport. You loss your claim to being a nation when multiculturalism was introduced.

Dear nickname,

You're an absolute prophet of things that are most likely to be.

Dear Philip S,

I'm not taking sides. I'm only pointing out what I see as a demographic consequence of mike Baird's ambition to turn Sydney into a gigantic holiday resort for millions of Chinese tourists. If you have a beef with Islamic peoples then I suggest you take it up with our future Australian prime minister Salim Mahajer.

Dearest Mr Opinion
It's written in the Confucian Profits that all things come to pass.
My honourable ancestors were Irish Dalriada in Pictland which is Scotland but it's Britain, you see, the kingdom of Australia with Queen's English in always will be Aboriginal country. A nation of down-unders.

Dear Mr Opinion,

What is the distinctive feature of Chinese people that enables you to identify them as such?

And WTF do you think a nation is?

Dear Aidan,

Race is the principal indicator I use to identify a Chinese person.

A nation is a group of people within a defined territory who share a common history, common language and common culture.

I hope you enjoyed the lesson. Do you have any more questions you need to know the answers to?

The answer is the correct one to express your form of history.
Or :
Certainly by 1818, Mak Sai Ying (also known as John Shying) had arrived and after a period of farming became, in 1829, the publican of The Lion in Parramatta. John Macarthur, a prominent pastoralist, employed three Chinese people on his properties in the 1820s and records may well have neglected others. Another way ethnic Chinese made it to Australia was from the new British possessions of Malaysia and Singapore.

Mr Opinion,

How do you determine race?
Can you identify a Chinese person if they're not Han Chinese?
Do you regard China as a nation?

Dear Aidan,

I think one of the two of us flunked Anthropology 101. And I know for sure that it wasn't me.

How about Introduction to Labor Leader in the Senate 101?

As a Sydney resident close to the inner city action on this. My observations; The catch cry of the state government is "Sydney's population to grow by one million in 10 years." you see this announcement on buses and trains. The Sydney property market has been fueled largely by o/s demand, seeing average prices of around $1 million, Inner Sydney, closer to &1.5 million, well beyond the reach of first home buyers, rents have gone the same way. The home market demand is cooling, but prices are still very high. There is massive unit development taking place around Inner Sydney, as old factories and warehouses etc are undergoing urban renewal. This renewal is proving a financial godsend for the likes of Harry Triguboff head of Meriton Apartments, making them billions. The Baird State Government is picking up the tab for infrastructure, which is being financed by the 'electricity asset sale', developers contribute nothing towards infrastructure. Much of the hidden costs, rubbish, minor roads storm water control etc, is being pushed onto ratepayers, through local councils, Baird's solution to this is to amalgamate councils into super councils. Infrastructure such as schools, hospitals, daycare etc is being ignored, things that are going to be needed at a huge cost. Baird's only answer to public transport demand in the area is a good, but limited, light rail from the CBD to Kingsford. Plus a hand full of new buses at Port Botany Deport, the second largest in the state.
The huge new road, Westconnx, being built from Western Sydney to the inner city provided such a backlash it handed the seat of Newtown to the Greens. Its simply unplanned, ad hoc development that will create a host of new problems and a few new billionaires, for the city.

If pollies ruled their way , the Opera House and Gardens would be flats and the harbour edge also. Beaches would be US style private and there would be slums up the Blue Mountain gullies.
(come back in a century and check it out..)

Dear Paul1405,

I concur with your assessment.

Do you think my observations on the number of Chinese in Sydney is correct? I have been criticised in the past for overestimating the numbers. Elsewhere, mhaze has criticised my assessment, stating that he has ABS statistics to show that only about 3 in 100 people on the average are Chinese in Sydney.

Do you think Mike Baird might be trying to turn Sydney into a giant holiday resort for Chinese tourists at the expense of the city's citizens?

Mr Opinion, at the moment the inner city is attracting a lot of Chinese investment, largely two types, the young professionals, lawyers, accountants working in the CBD and wanting to live close, often married with their first child. The other group are students attending UTS or UNSW, apartment livers usually renters or living in a o/s mum and dad owned apartment. the older Chinese, business people tend to live right in the CBD.
The younger group, particularly the young professionals, are very westernized, always speak excellent English, kids go to private schools, they are well off, the older group tend to be more Chinese but very wealthy. The middle class Chinese who have settled here recently are very keen for their children to succeed, eg send them to English school, after regular school at about $4,000 year for one 4 hour lesson on a Saturday another night lesson during the week. The older ones are very much into owing businesses both here and o/s.
We met recently a young Singapore Chinese girl, a fully qualified lawyer, still under 30, living in the CBD, parents still in Singapore, helping her buy her apartment, wants to find a decent bloke, she don't care if he is Chinese or Aussie, just decent, she's as Aussie as as we are. We went for dinner, we said you pick, okay her favorite restaurant, Italian! says something, not a chop stick in sight.
p/s On the bloke front, "C" has had a few boyfriends, but all crap, irony the best was an Italian bloke 25, but she thinks his parents didn't approve of her, and he was too much of a mummy's boy anyway, too possessive, still living at home.

Dear Paul 1405,

That's nice to hear about your friends but do you think that my assessment of the numbers of Chinese in Sydney is accurate?

Yes Mr Opinion, Barangaroo Casino is going to be a 'high rollers' establishment, attracting a lot of wealthy Asians, who love to gamble. Not all Chinese, but Asians will make up the bulk of punters. The airport is not being built just to get more Australian off to Bali, now is it. 80% of the population at Star City is Asian, Wealthy Asians see Australia as a very safe place to invest, and to holiday in. Our property ownership laws are very free and easy, so its not difficult to buy into Australia, be an absentee landlord or living here. Honk Kong investors own a good number of the smaller shopping centers around town now, they have been buying them up for a while, with an eye to redevelopments, shops on the ground, units above. One, HK Kingston Developments, got a slap for donating $340k to the Liberal Party, who when it comes to development, would approve a plutonium plant in Pitt Street if the price was right.
Small changes are happening to the law, like it will only require 75% of owners in a strata block to approve its sale, not 100%, sounds a small change, but why, stop the old biddies who reside from holding out against the developers. even with less than 75%, a court action could still see development approval given.

Mr Opinion

In just 1 event on the weekend the Africans as a gang did more criminal activity than the Chinese you are so afraid of.

Anyone with half a brain would be more concerned about gangs roaming around with swords, baseball bats and machetes like the Africans in the following story than some Chinese people buying a houses.

One man stabbed, 12 arrested in vicious Melbourne brawl

A man is in hospital with life-threatening wounds after being stabbed repeatedly during a brawl outside a train station in Melbourne's southeast.

Police arrested 12 men, aged between 19 and 32, following the brawl outside Kananook Railway Station in Seaford on Sunday evening and were still questioning them early on Monday.

A 23-year-old man who suffered stab wounds to his abdomen was dropped off by unknown men at Frankston Hospital where he remains in a critical condition, police said.

Officers searched three vehicles after the brawl and seized weapons including baseball bats, a samurai sword and a machete.

The men arrested came from the Melbourne suburbs of West Sunshine, Carlton, Taylors Hill, Deer Park, Truganina, Melton, Collingwood, Dandenong and Ardeer.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/30413646/man-stabbed-in-melbourne-brawl/

Photos clearly show African thugs. When is the last time Chinese did this in Australia?

Dear Philip S,

You have misunderstood what I am saying. I'm not criticising the Chinese, I'm just pointing out that Mike Baird is turning Sydney into a giant holiday resort for millions of Chinese tourists and that in the near future the Chinese will make up about 80% of the population of Sydney. In fact I'm all for migration from China and think that Australia can help take the population pressure off China by bringing more Chinese into Australia. Australia is a big country and I think it could easily accept about 50 million Chinese migrants over the next ten years.

Dear Suseonline,

You have misunderstood what I have said. I have not said that I am against Baird turning Sydney into a gigantic holiday resort for millions of Chinese tourists. I haven't said it's right or wrong. I've just pointed out what Sydney will look like in the near future.

I have said elsewhere that Australia is heading towards being a Sino-Australian nation with a Chinese majority population. So my retort to you is: 'You get used to it'. It's your grandchildren and great-grandchildren who will be put to work as the waiters, taxi drivers, housemaids, nannies, etc., to serve their Chinese masters. That's the Australia you - and what the Chinese in Australia refer to as the dumb Aussies - are bequeathing to your descendants. And if they complain about it to you just tell them to 'Get used to it!'.

Mr Opinion,

If the Chinese ever come here in anything like the numbers you envisage, the grandchildren and greatgrandchildren of the people already here are more likely than not to have Chinese ethnicity themselves.

Meanwhile China is just one of many sources of immigrants for Australia. It's not even the biggest source: in terms of arrivals it's behind India, and in terms of the number of people here it's behind Britain.

Dear Aidan,

I gather from your comment that you are expecting that the Chinese plan to breed us out of existence. Well they do breed like rabbits so you might definitely have a good point there.

I see Zimbabwe has adopted the Chinese yuan as its currency. I think this is another indicator of how rapidly China is expanding its territories around the globe. Soon it will possess territories in every continent. The Chinese in Australia are probably saying to themselves 'Those dumb Aussies think we will give Port Darwin back to them in 99 years. Aren't they in for a surprise!'

Dear Mr Opinion,

"I gather from your comment that you are expecting that the Chinese plan to breed us out of existence"
No — firstly because there's no plan, and secondly because I don't share your sense of Us and Them. Chinese ancestry's increasingly like Irish ancestry: lots of people have it, but it's insignificant except for one day each year.

"I see Zimbabwe has adopted the Chinese yuan as its currency."
not quite — when Zimbabwe abandoned its own currency, any major currency became usable instead, including the yuan and the Aussie dollar.

" I think this is another indicator of how rapidly China is expanding its territories around the globe. Soon it will possess territories in every continent. The Chinese in Australia are probably saying to themselves 'Those dumb Aussies think we will give Port Darwin back to them in 99 years."
Australia retains its sovereignty over Port Darwin (it's not like Hong Kong despite the length of the lease). And the Chinese would lose much more than they could possibly gain if they tried to seize it at the end.

Dear Mr Opinion,

There's no denying the fact that the Chinese are becoming
a dominant element in our major cities. However how this
will affect our children or grandchildren is difficult to
predict. As history has shown, immigrants have contributed
much to the enrichment of this country. We can hope and trust
that this will continue into the future for our children
and grandchildren.

Welcome back Foxy, been off the forum for a couple of months, looking forward to your continuing excellent contributions, happy holidays to you and your family.

"However how this will affect our children or grandchildren is difficult to predict"

The ramped-up property prices, which continue unabated in capitals like Sydney, haven't been noted by the leftist collective?

<<which continue unabated in capitals like Sydney>> Beach you are obviously not familiar with the Sydney property market. In fact over the past couple of months there has been a cooling off of prices in Sydney. Many have feared that the bubble may burst, resulting in falling prices, this has not been the case, but unsustainable annual growth of 15%-20% seems to have evaporated.

“…looking at indicators of domestic buyer demand, Sydney house price growth looks set to slow over the next eighteen months. For example, ‘time to buy a dwelling in New South Wales’ fell to its lowest level since 1989 in August, likely reflecting affordability concerns (Figure 2). Combined with macro-prudential measures to limit investor housing credit growth, we expect Sydney house price growth to slow to 7% y/y in 2016, from 18% y/y in 2015.”

The "leftist collective" as you put it, is well aware of the unsustainability of property demand in Sydney. Just as we are aware of the Baird governments pocketing of a windfall $863m extra in property stamp duty, and its failure to put even one extra cent of this windfall into public housing, which is in critical short supply.
The Baird government is continuing with its unplanned ad hoc approach to development, particularly in Sydney and that may well be the biggest failure that future generations are forced to cope with. Grid locked toll roads, a tangle of a public transport system, inadequacy in housing, hospitals and schools etc. Typical conservatives letting the market have its way.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/863m-stamp-duty-windfall-for-nsw-government-on-back-of-asset-sales-and-property-20151214-glmy0u.html

How utterly ridiculous.

Sydney for me was always somewhere to get away from, if one had the chance, like a holiday.

Perhaps the real culprits are the taxing and regulating
activities of Australian Governments?

Dear Hasbeen,

1.5 billion Chinese don't see it as a place to get away from. And the Chinese will be quite happy if the dumb Aussies (an expression among the Chinese in Australia) keep selling pieces of the country to them and allowing them to eventually become the largest Australian ethnic group. Soon, unless you're Chinese, Australia will be become that somewhere to get away from.

Paul1405,

There is no top to what wealthy Chinese and other Asians will pay for those units and there is no quelling the demand. The demand is tied to a whole range of other drives (and not always so honest) of those investors.

Haven't the chai soy latte Hipsters noticed the millionaire apartments that are replacing those previously gentrified(sic) inner city 'burbs so adored by the said Hipsters who vote green to assuage their guilty consciences over their own materialism and consumption?

Mr Opinion,

Why do you think more Chinese people would make Australia somewhere to get away from?

Why do you think being Chinese would prevent people regarding Australia as somewhere to get away from?

Aiden,

The question is, why do you want more Asian investment and migrants in overpopulated and infrastructure-stretched capitals like Sydney?

The ABS has noted that the extent to which migrants settled in urban areas differs by their country of birth. To take some examples, migrants born in nations like China (97%), Vietnam (97%) and India (93%) are highly urbanised.

The ABS says that by contrast, "migrants from New Zealand (78%), the United Kingdom (74%), Germany (72%) and the Netherlands (64%) tended to be less concentrated in major urban areas". "They were still more likely, however, to live in a major urban area than people born in Australia".

Yet for years federal politicians have been peddling the myth that migrants are to fill the so-called vacant areas of Australia.

The host population is being squeezed out of cities while being over-taxed to provide the necessary infrastructure, Medicare and welfare, and as a consequence, are not being able to have the children they (young Aussie couples) planned to have and worked for.

Sorry, that should have been Aidan.

However if you are implying discrimination and it seems you are (against Mr Opinion), in fact any discrimination is against young Aussie couples and against the elderly and low income who are progressively being uprooted to make way for more hugely expensive, walled-off high security apartments, whole blocks and coming 'burbs of them, for cashed up Asians.

"Elsewhere, mhaze has criticised my assessment, stating that he has ABS statistics to show that only about 3 in 100 people on the average are Chinese in Sydney."

Mr O,

Assessment? No assessment. These are mere assertions. Based on precisely nothing.

I don't have ABS statistics, the nation has them. They are a national resource. I showed you how to access them, but, since they tell a truth you'd prefer wasn't so, you chose to ignore them.

Your assertions are based, pure and simple, on paranoid sinophobia - the same impulses that caused the moral panic over the yellow peril all the way back to the 1850s.

" There's a popular saying amongst the Chinese in Australia: 'Aren't Australians dumb?'"

Well, if they've met you, how could they come to any other conclusion?

Mr O - 100% opinion, 0% fact. This is a person who claims to have 3 or 4 university degrees yet rejects irrefutable evidence because it does suit his prejudices. I don't know if that self-deception is funny or sad. Probably both.

onthebeach,

The cities are successful precisely because they have so many people! It makes them very attractive places for businesses to locate.

The stretched infrastructure is mainly due to governments having an irrational fear of debt. Knowing the population will keep rising should give them the confidence they need to invest in infrastructure for the future. That includes high speed rail to make country areas more desirable.

I also favour a gradual shifting of the tax burden off goods and services and onto unimproved land value.

Discrimination seems like too strong a word for Mr Opinion's attitude. 'Tis more an apathetic casual racism.