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Freedom of Speech won this time

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"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Evelyn Beatrice Hall, (1868 – 1956)

In the SMH today,
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/dont-mention-the-war-army-cant-kill-off-troublesome-officer-bernard-gaynor-20151209-glji6j.html

"For much of this year, in the Federal Court of Australia, the extensive resources of the ADF have been pitted against the threadbare resources of a single, sacked Army Reserve officer who the ADF is determined to ostracise, humiliate and terminate.

The ADF has been highly successful in ostracising him, not surprising given the military's long and inglorious record of tolerating hazing, bullying and bastardisation.

But as for terminating this officer, he has proved hard to kill.
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Justice Buchanan found that being sacked for holding personal political views, even in defiance of orders, was too fundamental a right to be quashed in the name of military discipline".
Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 12 December 2015 12:07:29 AM
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OTB,

It may be but a partial victory, the military has a long memory and can carry grudges like battle honours; I wouldn't bet on him ever getting a Colonelcy.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 14 December 2015 10:24:30 AM
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' In the time our Army has been in Afghanistan the number of Muslims in Australia has increased from around 280,000 to 476,000. Anyone who thinks Australia is safer as a result is deluded … While our soldiers have been fighting, taking casualties and dying in Afghanistan to protect Australia's interests and values from violent Islamists our own government has allowed them to take root inside our borders."

sacked for telling the truth. The left are totally intolerant and love lies.
Posted by runner, Monday, 14 December 2015 10:47:34 AM
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//sacked for telling the truth. The left are totally intolerant and love lies.//

And just how many lefties do you think there are amongst the Army's high-ranking brass, runner? My guess would be none. In the media they all come across as pretty conservative; the one brigadier that I have known personally was a lovely gentleman, but still conservative.

Gaynor is a brain-dead clown who gives our noble diggers a bad image. If they can't fire him - which they should be able to, because what is the value of a soldier who won't follow orders? - they should bust him back down to private and set him to digging latrines for the rest of his military career - a fitting end for any soldier who drags the good name of the Army through the mud like Gaynor does. At the very least he should prohibited from ever including his rank when making political statements, to avoid further damage to the good reputation of the Army.

Obligations to an employer aren't the same thing as the legal rights that apply to all citizens. You have a right to be late for work, but don't expect you to keep your job. Similarly, Gaynor had, has and hopefully always will have the right to spout whatever nonsense he likes - but if his employers forbid him from doing so (particularly whilst identifying himself as an employee) then he shouldn't expect to keep his job either. Basically, he's like the guy who shows up late every day but still expects continued employment. Unfortunately, the courts seem to agree with him. The law is an ass.

And if I was his bishop, I'd have him excommunicated in an effort to distance myself from his ludicrous claims that his absurd views are somehow representative of Catholic teaching - they so aren't.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Monday, 14 December 2015 12:24:46 PM
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Does anyone think that Australia is a safer place because of Muslim immigration?

Apart from a few clowns in Government or those on the gravy train.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 14 December 2015 8:09:30 PM
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"Does anyone think that Australia is a safer place because of Muslim immigration?"

No

"Apart from the Left who wanted to rub everyone's nose in diversity, Labor and Greens politicians who want to win marginal seats and those on the gravy train"

There, fixed that for you.

Oz's leftist 'Progressives slavishly followed UK's lead,

"Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser

Labour threw open Britain's borders to mass immigration to help socially engineer a "truly multicultural" country, a former Government adviser has revealed."

The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.

He said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote".

As a result, the public argument for immigration concentrated instead on the economic benefits and need for more migrants.

Critics said the revelations showed a "conspiracy" within Government to impose mass immigration for "cynical" political reasons.>
http://tinyurl.com/2uzb8gj

and,

http://tinyurl.com/zuzcsgb
Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 12:44:35 PM
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