For those interested, there is a report on the Pickering Post today of a speech given by Senate Candidate Bernard Gaynor at a Gold Coast gathering.

ttbn, the ALA Party, is that a misprint? the pick your nose post, and Bernard whats his name, are about as interesting as watching the grass grow, and paint dry.
Possibly if you explain to readers who or what the for-mentioned are they might want to comment, you never know.

Or does this post end the discussion?

Paul 1405
ALA are a collective of Likudniks, Neo Cons and "Far Right" Christians, the politics is "Israel first".

ALA is anti Muslim and should be declared a terrorist organization. They are far right sympathizers and idiots. There specialty is violent demonstrations.

Unfortunately, or fortunately a party such as the ALA will find support in mature Liberal voters who see their party moving towards leftist policies under the helm of Turnbull. It will also attract nationalists who want the needs of Ausralia put before the needs of the globe........I might take a close look at them myself given neither Liberal or Labor represent my views.

Yeah comrad 579, I would wait for the ALA to murder civillians in the name of the ALA and until they call for the countries system of governamce to be thrown out, like the Islamist do, before I would class them as a terrorist organization.

With the exception of sonofgloin, the usual uneducated louts have uneccesarily demonstrated their ingrained stupidity, hatred of democracy and dedication to the counter-culture and nilihism. Not satisfied with just ignoring something they are not interested in, they feel the need to denigrate that which they know nothing about and that which threatens their ignorant arrogance and non-beliefs. Your fear is palpable, boys.

I don't know much about Major Bernie Gaynor retd. Some other here seem to know far less, but are quick to damn him, sight unseen.

However, from what I found in a quick search, such as this article by a Paul Sheehan who is an experienced, senior journalist for the Sydney Morning Herald, the Melbourne Age and in this case the Canberra Times, Major Gaynor would be a 'commitment politician', who can be trusted to do what he believes is best for Australia. To his great credit, he works within the law and uses the democratic processes.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/christian-army-officer-bernie-gaynor-pays-the-price-for-marching-out-of-step-with-top-generals-20140709-zt1iq.html

So, I'm up for freedom of speech and good on him for having the courage and commitment to try politics. Whether he survives in that croc-infested swamp is in the lap of the gods. He is not a slimy, self-interested yes-man as so many politicians are, which is good but it will sure make his life more difficult, but more rewarding one would hope.

'ALA is anti Muslim and should be declared a terrorist organization.'

never heard ALA but surely they could not be as hateful, bigotted and violent as the socialist alliance.

Thank you fellow posters, mow let me see if I have got this right, extreme right in fact, I don't want to be left out on this. The ALA is not the ALP or the DLP, they are not even the ABC. They know who they are and its not the ANC.

They are well known to anyone who reads Larry's Pick'n His Nose Post, all three of them. Run by Bernard I forgot his name, who is Party president, chief cook and bottle washer, and the organisations general dog's body, who incidentally is considered an appealing spunk by old ladies who once voted Liberal and now think Malcolm T is the new Joe Stalin.
How am I going.

They are a Muslim party, keen on Israel, along with ham and spam, now that's something new. Me thinks Bernard would have problems winning a chook raffle, even holding all the tickets, no chance in the senate. LOL

Paul, I have never heard of the ALA before this thread, so I looked up the background of Bernard Gaynor.

He graduated from Duntroon Military Acedemy as an officer in the Auistralian army. He served in Aghanistan and in Iraq in 2006, 2008, and 2009 as an intelligence officer. He studied Arabic culture and received the meritorious sevice medal from the United States government. He has a BA in history and a certificate in Civil Engineering........and he believes that Islam is a threat to Australian democracy.

Yeah you are right Paul, what a loser with no concept or hands on experience of what he believes in..........whats your track record Paul?......what credibility, credentials, or hands on experience do you bring to your comments, excepting the ability to use a computer key board.

The workers who supported Labor in the past and have had it up to the back teeth with the direction Labor has taken under leaders like Gillard and Shorten will vote for this decorated soldier and family man who means what he says and does't bend over for the political correctness that has destroyed family values and is destroying Australia..

For those posters that can read, here is the manifesto of ALA

http://australianlibertyalliance.org/downloads/ALA_MANIFESTO_OG14001R1.pdf

reads like common sense to me.

For those further interested here is Bernard's speech at the launch of the party.

http://pickeringpost.com/story/-ala-senate-candidate-struts-his-stuff/5620

This also makes sense to me.

sonofgloin, don't get your nickers in a knot, I like you have no problem with the bloke running for the senate, that is democracy in action. I found it amusing the way the first few posts seemed to be all over the shop when it comes to this new ALA Party and Bernard Gaynor. Of course he will appeal to some within the community, whether that translates into enough votes, with preferences, to win a senate seat, it hard to say.
According to you the bloke has a strong military background, that is true. It is also a fact he previously ran as a candidate for Bob Katter's party. Its also fact that his controversial opinions led to his dismal from the ADF by army chief General David Hurley.

“Defence can confirm it has made a final decision to terminate the service of Army Reserve member Major Bernard Gaynor as a result of conduct that demonstrates repeated behaviour inconsistent with Army and Defence policies,”

The bloke is obviously controversial with his strong religions based views. As I said that will appeal to some, possibly including you sonofgloin.

As I said Paul, until today I had not known of the ALA or Gaynor. From what I can find his commission was revoked because of his views that the army is not taking into account the obvious agenda of the Islamists.

To be direct, I have had the same opinion since last week when the army changed the motto on the badge that their padres wear because a newly appointed Imam to some committee said it harked back to the crusades of seven hundred years ago, and it offended Moslems........lay down all you like Paul, but I will not.

"conduct that demonstrates repeated behaviour inconsistent with Army and Defence policies"

He didn't go with the PC swing,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wc-AQJ2MYo

We rallied in Melbourne today and not one "Far Right" supporter showed up to support us, so it was 35 UPF against 120 Socialists,Greens and Anarchists. We were all bare faced, they were mostly masked, they were so violent and out of control we had to be escorted all the time by Police and officers had to see some of the women to their cars as we dispersed. The inspector in charge instructed us on what to do if the Police line was broken, it was scary at the start because there were only about ten of us and those pricks in the bandanas and Guy Fawkes mask were closing in.
http://www.facebook.com/unitedpatriotsfront/videos/202482553419538/

thanks for the post Banjo. I will seriously consider voting for this man's party if given the opportunity

The ALA will appeal to the far right extremists in society. This has come about all because of Abbott. They are a disruptive organization and dangerous. Demonstration laws will need to be run with permits and regulations.

The amount of resources this mob takes up is in no ones interest. Another Pauline Hanson type of party.

Their style of negotiation will attract wombats and idiots alike, and be just as popular as Hanson.

Comrade 579, anyone short of a Fabian is slandered with "far right" from the likes of yourself. This ridiculous fabrication was more than evident when the rallies against Gillard’s Carbon tax were taking place. At two rallies I attended the vast vast majority of protesters were pensioner types........but the lefty press described them as right wing activists........lolololol.......activists that needed a dose of prunes to get them running. I see your spoon fed lefty propaganda has not waned in my absence.

'We were all bare faced, they were mostly masked, they were so violent and out of control we had to be escorted all the time by Police and officers had to see some of the women to their cars as we dispersed. '

why the surprise Jay.The left have always been the most arrogant and violent and even worse self righteous. They are unable to debate which is why the abc usually only have one consersative in order to mock on their luv fests like Q&A. They have much more in common with Islam than with democratic freedom and the free speach.

The Australian Liberty Alliance is NOT a 'far-right' party. It is most likely made up of neoconservatives sick of illiberal socialists, and conservatives, who cling to the status quo, too timid to defend the values they are supposed to hold. So scared of them is the Coalition government, that they held up Geert Wilders visa for as long as they thought they could get away with it. Wilders merely addressed the opening of the new party. He has nothing else to do with it, being a foreigner. ALA could be the answer for those of us who are sick of Turnbull's relativism and weasel words; refusing, or too cowardly, to admit and announce the Islam IS the problem - not lone wolf weirdos. He ignores the clear messages in the Koran. He is an arch-relativist because he wants Muslim votes,to the detriment of the country that it is his PRIME duty to defend. Instead, he is acting as a PR guy, genuflecting to the enemy. With a stronger Family First party, and the ALA (no connection with the demonstrating Reclaim Australia mob)we might be able to save our country and way of life from the barbarians at the gate.

PS Unlike all current Western politicians, the ALA seems able to distinguish between our friends and our foes.

runner,
No problem, the more that get to read some common sense the better.

I think ALA will only be contesting the Senate, so I will vote for a minor party in the Lower House (One Nation if poss) to deny either major party the $2 for the primary vote. Then for ALA in the Senate.

We very badly need a government that will act in the best interests of Australia. Abbott should have stopped muslim immigration and buried multiculturalism forever. Now the present PM is starting to show his true colours with his welcome back to Trigg.

You know why Abbott got the boot. His agenda is no different than those of the ALA.
Geert wilders.
I have the right to a fair trial. That is why I am here.
Not to ask you a favor. But to ask you what I am entitled to.
A fair trial. And the right to defend myself in the best possible way.
If you do not give me that chance then this trial will be a farce.
During the first meeting, the investigative judge told to me, "You should have a fair chance; the law will be interpreted broadly." But the opposite has happened. All my 39 requests, all the requests from the defendant have been rejected.
Apparently, I am not allowed an adequate defense.
The investigative judge is uncritically following the Public Prosecutor. The Chamber agreed with the Public Prosecutor to reject the first twelve requests. Hopefully, that will not be the case for the 27 rejections that you must decide on now. Because if all reasonable requests are rejected, then I cannot defend myself, and I apparently have to be sentenced at all costs.
I am taken to court for what I have said. But I have said nothing wrong.
Fewer Moroccans, fewer Syrians, fewer Mexicans, fewer Russians, I do not see why stating that is punishable. However, when Turkish members of the Dutch parliament call me a tumor that must be fought and when they compare me to Hitler, then there is no consternation, no massive complaints on pre-printed forms, no prime minister who speaks shame of it and no Public Prosecutor to come into action.
Good for dummies of the far right.

579,
Thanks for posting what is obviously an extract from a Geert Wilders speech to the court or parliament.

It reminds me of the Abbott/Beattie conspiracy to railroad Pauline Hanson to prison on trumpt up charges. Incidently, They have never repaid the money for votes ON received to Pauline (about $1 million) after she was aquitted on appeal, nor compensated her for wrongful imprisonment.

This made Pauline our first political prisoner, which subsequently was dismissed on appeal.

I was hoping that Pauline would emerge from jail fighting mad and strongly contest the next election. But this was not to be as it took a long time for her to recover and still is not the person she once was. So much for our democracy.

The need for change in Aus should be obvious to all.

579,

"The ALA will appeal to the far right extremists in society. This has come about all because of Abbott. They are a disruptive organization and dangerous. Demonstration laws will need to be run with permits and regulations.

The amount of resources this mob takes up is in no ones interest. Another Pauline Hanson type of party.

Their style of negotiation will attract wombats and idiots alike, and be just as popular as Hanson."

Who, btw, makes a nice little income in garnering just enough votes every election to be paid some bickies - which is a nice little earner for her and guarantees she'll pop her head up every now and then to stir up a little racism...it's her brand!

Banjo,

"I was hoping that Pauline would emerge from jail fighting mad and strongly contest the next election. But this was not to be as it took a long time for her to recover and still is not the person she once was. So much for our democracy."

The hilarious thing is that it was all the doing of Abbott and his then team. All because the Libs wanted to pinch Pauline's agenda, and then to neutalise her politically....very dodgy of course, but then Abbott appears to be a hero around here. He dog-whistled far more impressively than even dear Pauline.

Banjo, I'm sure Hanson was "fighting mad" but she's not the brightest spark in the room, and really had nowhere to go once the big boys squashed her. Let's face it, all she's good at is mouthing off her ignorance and bigotry - which, as is evident on forums such as this, goes down a treat with folks who think as she does.

Banjo,

"This made Pauline our first political prisoner, which subsequently was dismissed on appeal"

She was not our first political prisoner, that distinction belongs among the convicts, particularly with Michael Dwyer "The Chief of Wicklow" in 1806 or so and the "Tolpuddle Martyrs", around 1834.
If there is objection to them (or others around the same time) having the honour because they were sentenced in Great Britain, then I'll put forward
"On Monday, 17 June 1918, Albert Dryer and six other INA [Irish National Association] office-bearers were arrested under emergency war-time regulations, and imprisoned without trial. Apart from Dryer they were Thomas Fitzgerald, secretary of the Brisbane branch, Maurice Dalton and Frank McGeown of the Melbourne branch, and Edmund McSweeney, Michael McGing and William McGuinness of the Sydney branch. The seven were accused of membership of the Irish Republican Brotherhood, and were held in Sydney's Darlinghurst Gaol for several months. Six were released on 19 December 1918, but Albert Dryer was held until 11 February 1919."

Political prisoners, no charges proven and no trial; Pauline misses out by a long shot.

Poirot>>Let's face it, all she's good at is mouthing off her ignorance and bigotry - which, as is evident on forums such as this, goes down a treat with folks who think as she does.<<

Ignorance and bigotry evident on forums such as this Poirot?

Tell me at what point would you consider the influx of an alien culture excessive.

1. When we have no go areas for non Muslims such as they have in all European nations.
2. When any religion other than Islam is not tolerated.
3. When existing cultural practices are outlawed because they offend Muslims.
4. When Sharia law is enacted because of a numerical advantage.

Well Poirot are any of these possibilities at a point to consider sanctions to protect the existing cohesive society that Australia grew into. A society that boast ethnic residents from over 50 nations and 6 major religions.

Is Mse,
I acknowledge your obviously superior historical knowledge.

I withdraw the statement and say, 'This made Pauline a political prisoner and the charges against her were dismissed on appeal'.

The trial of Pauline Hanson is a clear example of how the major parties will operate when it suits them. One Nation gave the major parties one hell of a shock and showed what can happen if parties take voters for granted. The same could happen again if the present PM continues his 'love in' with muslims and the general population object to that. The public think a bit deeper than politicians and have the welfare of their kids and grandkids to be concerned about.

sonofgloin,

"Ignorance and bigotry evident on forums such as this Poirot?"

Yup - wall to wall some days.

We watch as you all feed upon each others' fears and prejudices and work yourselves up into a lather of loathing disproportionate to the situation in which you live.

Dear Poirot, why will you not answer my question to you. Is it because at some point in the scenarios I proffered you would say enough is enough. Or am I completely wrong and you would not allow a freedom of speech such as this forum to come under the control of a zealot religious cult such as Islam.

If Sharia comes in you will end up dressed in a sack..............lololololol

sonofgloin,

"If Sharia comes in you will end up dressed in a sack..............lololololol"

Yep...that's about the class of debate around here. This is the sort of immature claptrap that is regurgitated on forums like this day in and day out.

You are welcome to your freedom of speech, sonofgloin - that it comes over as if you're about fifteen years-old and attempting to impress your oafish mates on facebook is beside the point, I reckon : )

Banjo,

You're talking sense and I agree with what you say, but I just had to get that in about Dr.Albert Dryer, he was a good friend of my Irish grandfather and my father and I first met him in about 1953.

Poirot,
Yes it was Abbott who was after Pauline, trying to find dirt. This was after the Labor Mayor of Brisbane (forgot his name) had a go.

But Abbott and Beattie colluded to have her charged and it was Beattie that decided not to reimburse her the electoral funding and not compensate for her wrongful jailing and legal costs.

I have had little time for Abbott because of this and have never supported him personally. The only thing I have said is that he did prevent us from an ETS by standing against Turnbull and maybe that is worth some brownie points. But he should have stopped muslim immigration and rejected multiculturalism outright.

The major parties leave much to be desired, particularly in the best interests for Australia. Turnbull will give Aus to the muslims by increasing their influence.

We need other parties like ALA to hold the majors in check. Our grandkids future is at stake here.

Banjo,

Yes, I surmise that both majors were a little shell-shocked at Hanson's meteoric political rise.

Strangely, it seems I can converse with you even though we hold opposing views - good eh!

So you might be interested in this article on why the radical right has failed to take hold in Australia thus far:

Quite an interesting analysis.

"Why the radical right has failed in Australia

A Liberal-One Nation coalition government wouldn't be a fantasy if Australia had taken a similar path to Europe towards the radical right."

"Australians these days think of Hanson as a blip, but at the time she was a major threat to the mainstream. The reasons her party failed were many, but bad organisation was one. Another was the reaction of the Liberal Party that (after some hesitation) condemned the messenger while incorporating part of her message."

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/why-the-radical-right-has-failed-in-australia-20151120-gl3o4q.html#ixzz3srqDg1t9

Poirot>> Yep...that's about the class of debate around here.<<

Dear Poirot, what debate? I gave you four scenarios and asked if they were acceptable..........no answer in your first response.........no answer in your second response. Nothing except an oafish ad hom....Then you add a passive aggressive rebuke in your post to Banjo in the form of "Strangely, it seems I can converse with you even though we hold opposing views - good eh!"

Don't move from your intellectual comfort zone with interlocutors that do not question your basis for your stance. I know your arguments are mimic Fabian propaganda meant to psychologically placate your sense of individuality. There is nothing wrong with following if you have no direction of your own. Safety in the security of the gaggle.

Alternately answer my questions.

sonofgloin,

"Dear Poirot, what debate? I gave you four scenarios and asked if they were acceptable..."

Just because you put questions to other posters on this forum, doesn't mean they have to buy into your puerile narrative.

If you want to go clucking up and down forums like chicken little because we have a 2% Muslim population, that's up to you. If you want to toss up scenarios that have no pertinence to our society - again that's entirely your prerogative.

I'm not beholden to play along.

And when I decline to join you in your song and dance, the only thing you have to offer is:

"If Sharia comes in you will end up dressed in a sack..............lololololol"

And the fella who is crying woe betide us, the aliens are coming!...finishes by tossing this put-down to me:

"There is nothing wrong with following if you have no direction of your own. Safety in the security of the gaggle"

It would seem that sentiment is more applicable to your stance than it is to mine, sonofgloin.

Dear Poirot, I agree with some of your last post. I just wish you would have told me that you were not interested in buying into my puerile narrative rather than not addressing it at all........thanks.

ALA and the far right what a pair, I can’t happen to think that someone has stolen Abbott’s thunder. He should be the head of the ALA it’s right up his alley.
What a pack of dingo’s, Hasbeen will be no one member. Disruptive and violent that is their platform. First WA and now QLD who will be next. Geek wilders is in trouble in his own country.
With the Liberal govt; with it’s best leader in history, but that is not rouge enough for you lot, it has to be extremist. Turnbull and bill have got the game sown up for years and years, so there is nothing to worry about

It is amazing how Turnbull has the left singing his praises while he splits Liberal voters.
Regarding Shorten...........I am expecting this comment from Bill in the near future, "I don't know what Malcolm said but I support it fully.".......absurd directionless union mouse. I say mouse because that may be the next creature with a pulse he wants to give the vote to.....

579, you are a BS artist !
There has NEVER been a ALA demonstration, peaceful or violent.
You just simply made that up as a Goebbels style LIE !

They just do not go in for things like that.
As far as Jay of Bleak City is concerned he obviously does not have a clue.
Is this Jay the same as ARJay ?
I have had that thought previously.

The only ones that Turnbull has alienated is the Conservative voters that are infiltrators in the once great Liberal party. A breath of fresh air as Julia says.
Hanson Latham and Abbott now there is a combo if ever there was one. All of you stooges could be their disciples.
UPF and ALA are two of a kind, and they are working on one in each state.
Anti-government extremists known as "sovereign citizens" have been identified as a potential terrorism threat in Australia by a NSW Police report.
What are sovereign citizens?
• Sovereign citizens don't accept Australia's legal framework or government
• They consider themselves outside the law
• Counter terror command warns they should be considered "a potential terrorist threat"
• In NSW, police estimate there are about 300 sovereign citizens
• The FBI considers them domestic terrorists
The NSW Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics command assessment — obtained by 7.30 — suggests there are as many as 300 sovereign citizens in the state, and that their numbers are growing.

Paul1405: It’s also fact that his controversial opinions led to his dismal from the ADF by army chief General David Hurley.

The controversial opinion was, he voiced an opposition to the Australian Army marching in the Sydney Gay Mardi Gra in Uniform. Engaging in Political Activities in uniform is against Australian Military Law. He brought this to the notice of the Chief of General Staff of the Army, for that, his Commission was revoked & he was dismissed from the Army.

Apparently, nowadays, to be in the Army you have to be Gay or a Transvestite.

579: The ALA will appeal to the far right extremists in society. They are a disruptive organization and dangerous.

& I suppose moslims, greenies, & left wing (99, 100 change handers) ain’t?

Sonofgloin: Dear Poirot, why will you not answer my question to you.

Poirot doesn’t answer questions because his answers would make him look like a fool. He prefers to deflect. See: And the fella who is crying woe betide us, the aliens are coming! finishes by tossing this put-down to me>

"There is nothing wrong with following if you have no direction of your own. Safety in the security of the gaggle"

Poirot: "Australians these days think of Hanson as a blip, but at the time she was a major threat to the mainstream.

The major political parties cannot stand the “people” dictating to them. Besides they would lose their lucrative jobs. & Yes they did condemned the messenger while incorporating part of her message."

Bazz: Is this Jay the same as ARJay ? I have had that thought previously.

Hmmmm... You too?

These day the left has become very violent and anti free speach.
Even the Human Rights Commissioner thinks Australia is more anti rights
than Saudi Arabia !
Saudi Arabia is not even a signatory to the UN Human Rights Treaty, yet
they are appointed to the UN Human Rights Committee !
Saudi beheads more people than China executes.
Gauwd, the hypocrisy of the left is staggering.

ABC News today. A report of the Islamic conference in Parramatta has
stated that moslems are subject to more harassment, taunting,
discrimination and such like than other Australians.

I wonder why ?

579.

Are you incapable of reading anything? The ALA will appeal to a wide range of people who are sick and tired of the current shower. You are just a ranter without any ability to learn and with nothing useful to say.

As a young girl Rahila Haidary defied the Afghan Taliban by dressing up as a boy to attend school. Now settled in Australia, this is the story of what happened when she confronted the far right United Patriots Front.
When anti-Islam movement Reclaim Australia held rallies across Australia on 22 November, Ms Haidary had planned to meet friends at the Perth counter-rally.
She never made it. Instead, she took a detour on the way over to find out what "the other side" had against her religion.
"I was just trying to make a point," she says. "As a Muslim I went there to tell people that not every Muslim is a strict Muslim. I'm not that person they think I am."
The Reclaim Australia protest movement is made up of loosely affiliated groups united by a deep suspicion of Islam and out of 200 people present on the day, those she ended up speaking to happened to be the core leadership of the United Patriots Front.

There is a big difference in free speech and radical hate mobs. A terrorist organization, and rightly so. Anyone that has a hatred for a particular breed of human being is a terrorist. I am very comfortable with that. To bundle a whole race of people as the same is stupid. More people are being killed on our roads and no one gives a dam. One act of terrorism and the world falls apart, it does for like-minded citizens that is.

579

'To bundle a whole race of people as the same is stupid' When r u going to understand that Islam is not a race. If you can't get that right you have little chance of getting anything else right.

It is true that anti Islamist will and does attrack ratbags. Their hatred is only surpassed by the islamist themselves and the socialist alliance. Start with facts and you will reach a more rational conclusion.

579.

Writing long yarns about an individual doesn't make you any less ignorant. You clearly know nothing about Islam. Many Muslims know nothing about Islam either. They are brought up with it from the minute they are born. It seems natural to them, but they don't understand what a vile, cruel religion Islam is, because their parents, also knowing little about Islam, probably illiterate, only pass down to their children what was passed down to them, originally from a fundamentalist nutbag imam. You need to learn to distinguish between Islam itself, and Muslims who probably wouldn't hurt a fly, and would be horrified if they knew anything about their religion. As a child at Sunday school, I was told, quiet seriously by an old spinster 'teacher' that I would burn in Hell after I let fly with a oath one Sunday morning. She was deadly serious, being an Old Testament type without much schooling. We Christians have moved on to the New Testament, and we have the education to scoff at and ignore the old rubbish. Muslims do not have that freedom. The are deliberately kept ignorant. I feel sorry for the average Muslim who just wants to get on with life. But, the only good Muslim is an ex-Muslim, who faces death for apostasy - so who can blame them for just keeping their heads down? You need to educate yourself, boy; particularly when you seem more concerned about Reclaim Australia buffoons that you do about jihadis who actually slaughter people.

Bazz —
“Even the Human Rights Commissioner thinks Australia is more anti rights
than Saudi Arabia !”

What is your evidence for this extraordinary claim?

ttbn,

"Are you incapable of reading anything? The ALA will appeal to a wide range of people who are sick and tired of the current shower. You are just a ranter without any ability to learn and with nothing useful to say."

I'm a bit concerned about yer ALA party. We've seen the rabble at the Reclaim rallies and noted that many of them, by the look of their scintillating placards, are somewhat challenged in the spelling and grammar department.

There's probably a good chance that many devotees will take one look at "ALA" and think it's Muslim aligned (aka Allah).

...now wouldn't that be tragic!

Lol!

"We've seen the rabble at the Reclaim rallies and noted that many of them, by the look of their scintillating placards, are somewhat challenged in the spelling and grammar department."

So whose fault is that then?
Oh wait, it must be all those fanatical cis/het White male right wingers who've dominated the education system for 45 years and systematically discriminated against working class White kids, especially the boys?

Aiden, the lady, whose name I cannot remember who is chair of the
Human Rights Commission said Australia is not in a position to criticise
Saudi Arabia because of our immigration policies.
It was on TV & in the paper about a week ago. Caused a bit of a stir,
surprised you missed it.

579,

" Anyone that has a hatred for a particular breed of human being is a terrorist. I am very comfortable with that."

Hav' ye nae herd mon, o' th' deep hatred tha' th' MacDonalds hold fa' th' Campbells?
Massacre o' Glencoe an' a that1
But th' MacDonalds hav'nt physically attacked th' Campbells an' vice versa for over 150 years. Clan Donald are no terrorists!!

Bazz, I can't recall that being on TV or in the papers, but I'm pretty sure she didn't mean we were worse than Saudi. More likely she meant we were giving then an excuse to ignore all the criticism we make.

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Is Mise, how did you get this site to accept multiple exclamation marks? It's always rejected them whenever I've tried.

The difference between a Muslim and Islam.

• Islam : the meaning comes from the Arabic verbal noun (like a gerund) s-l-m. When appropriate vowel markers are added the word Islam appears. The etymology of s-l-m is to submit, accept, or surrender. From this comes Islam’s conventional definition of surrender to God.
• Muslim : also has its roots in the s-l-m verb. It is a participle of the verb and refers to a person who engages in the act of submission, acceptance, or surrender. Therefore a Muslim is a person who submits to the will of God, or a follower of Islam.

Extremism is rife in Australia and needs to be treated the same as terrorists that do not like our way of life, and will do us harm. The far right ideology is dangerous and without a conscious direction. Abbott was a perfect example of an out of control mind. He could not see past his own ideology at any cost.
These actions have awoken a group of like-minded Australian citizens with out of control intent, they need to be found and handled with caution, or shot on site. This is far worse than any other situation in Australia today.

579,
The whole 'sovereign citizen' agenda is a load of crap.
Its hegelian dialectic - problem, reaction, solution - to justify domestic spying.

Look at this article, they are just repeating US talking points.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-30/australias-sovereign-citizen-terrorism-threat/6981114

'People that make home-made number plates'
That's as pathetic as the US saying people who pay in cash are potential terrorists.

The report also states that in 2012, sovereign citizens threatened to burn down the home of a judge and "cause harm with firearms" and had "plans to murder Sheriff Officers if they attempt to seize property".

This is talking about US civil forfeiture which US citizens should stand up against.

Now they want to use some 73 year old man as the poster child for sovereign citizen.
Yes he seems like a bit of a troublemaker, but really??

Then the article mentions the Southern Poverty Law Center.
This is the organisation causing all the race baiting in the US.

The whole article and everything its based upon is an agenda and load of garbage.

Its about scaring people into not standing up or having a say in what they believe in, and to give in to the whole PC crap instead.

Oh Dear, Sovereign citizens, what Next !!
The world has gone stark raving mad.
Give them the option of living on an island with their other sovereigns
and see how long before they have a whole flock of rules to keep the peace.

Persons that think they are above the law, serial pests that think they do not have to pay fines, drive without a license, back-chat police and other authority, fake number plates, Threaten authority when they come to confiscate goods to recover costs, arms, drugs and thieves, and anything else that is illegal.

No regard for the law that protects everybody else. That is not acceptable, and threatens the lives of law abiding citizens.

Smart ass tactics to confuse courts and police as to identity or where they live. Police and courts are a victim of information collecting, without proper ID they are hamstrung. We do not have laws to cover that situation, so they must be classified as terrorists and treated accordingly.
If you think that is not happening here, you are lost or do not care. Just another group that are going to cost us taxpayers plenty, and they would not care or give two hoots, because they are above the law.

579,
I usually ignore your ravings, but your condition is worsening.

You really should not forget to take your medication.

But you do add a little humour to the site. Like the other bloke here who is upset that it is against our law to ride a bike without a helmet.

Once we had to go to the Sydney Domain on Saturday arrvo to listen to the eccentrics or see their chalked messages on footpaths.

You sure do illustrate Labor intellect.

Aidan,

Double exclamation marks are within the limits, three! are out!!

I sometimes have problems with inverted commas or quotation marks and the site won't let me remove them; I take them out but its little brain doesn't see that and keeps telling me to remove them.
Only remedy is to re-post a little later, it seems to have a short though selective memory.

I was tempted to put in a couple of exclamation marks there but I don't want to push my luck, so 2 X exc. mks.

Bazz,

The woman to whom you refer is Jillian Triggs, friend of Malcolm, and barking mad. She does indeed prefer Saudi Arabia to us in the HR stakes, and also rubbished Abbott's border protection and detention policies while saying nothing about Labor luring people to death by drowning while they were in government. She also lied that guards on Nauru where armed, and she believes 'refugees' should be compensated for the treatment they 'have received' - even $300,000 to man who beat his wife to death with a bicycle. In all, she has 'awarded' (governments don't have to take any notice of her) $9.3 billion to illegal entrants. She took tea with Malcolm recently so that he could
assure her he was on her side - part of the shadowy group of lunatic Lefties pulling the strings that has politicians jerking all over the place. A very unsavoury character who the likes of Aidan cannot believe would exist.

Interesting article on Sovereign Citizens. Thanks for that. See, I don't know everything. I can live with that. A day you don't learn something is a day wasted.

I guess our Sovereign Citizens aren't up to the American Standard yet. Still Americans are a strange lot anyway. Luckily Australians are a lot more laid back & don't go blowing or shooting things up just because they disagree with an idea.

Unfortunately Australia is importing, with the blessing & insistence of the Far Left, just that type of persons. The Moderate & Right of Australia are demanding something be done about that & it's happening slowly, too slowly, until it's too late to reverse the trend. We do have some Sovereign Citizens in Australia but they are mostly about fines etc., not Big Government. Then there are the Nutcases on the Far Left & the Far Right. I watched them at Reclaim Demos. A small group of Far Right Radicles & a large group of Far Right Radicles shouting it out. A large group of well behaved Reclaim people doing their thing & listing to speeches & a Small group of Lefties egging their Radicles on from behind.

But that's standard for any Demonstration.

At least the ALA has put forward a reasoned account as to why they object to what's happening in Australia. The Left haven't, just lots of noise & you know what they say about "Empty Vessels."

Jayb>>Sonofgloin: Dear Poirot, why will you not answer my question to you.

Poirot doesn’t answer questions because his answers would make him look like a fool. He prefers to deflect. See: And the fella who is crying woe betide us, the aliens are coming! finishes by tossing this put-down to me<<

Jayb, I always thought Poirot was female....hence the full coverage garb comment...........goes to show you about perceptions.

SOG: Jayb, I always thought Poirot was female.

Maybe a bit of both. It's hard to tell with some people. especially with the full coverage garb. One thing for sure "it" sure supports "the enemies of mankind."

Thanks ttbn;
The really ironic thing is that the Islamic countries refused to sign
the UN Human Rights treaty for a number of reasons and one was because
they do not accept the rights of women in the UN treaty.
Yet they are on the UN Human Rights commission !!

Triggs just cannot see the irony in all that !

ttbn,
I'm going to ask you the same question I asked Bazz: do you have any evidence that Gillian Triggs "does indeed prefer Saudi Arabia to us in the HR stakes"?

The closest I've found so far is where the SMH quotes her as saying: "Gone are the days when we could say, 'How dare Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Libya criticise Australia's human rights record". But that doesn't mean she actually prefers Saudi.

I don't always agree with Gillian Triggs on immigration (I supported Swap The Boats) but there's nothing wrong with taking a strict legal position on the issue, and considering she's from a Law background, it's hardly surprising that she did. Her position is certainly better than the diablical policy of the Abbott government.

And do you really think refugees shouldn't be compensated for crimes committed against them in Australian detention centres.

Aiden: And do you really think refugees shouldn't be compensated for crimes committed against them in Australian detention centres.

Fair enough, but those Refugees who damage the Detention Centre facilities should also be charges & hit with a bill for the repairs.

Australian Detention Centres are like Hiltons compared to anything the UN provides Refugees. That's why I say the Refugee Centres should be under the jurisdiction of the UN not Australia. Then let them complain. Australia pays into the UN Fund for Refugees. It's not Australia's problem until they are granted a Visa to enter Australia.

Aidan,

What she said certainly implies that we are as bad as Saudi Arabia. 'Nuance' applies here. You you are too desperate to 'win', Aidan if you are going to split hairs all the time. It's good to see that you at least do not question the fact of her being a proven LIAR and a barking mad Lefty who will pull Malcolm's and the Coalition 'New Labor's' strings.

ttbn,
"What she said certainly implies that we are as bad as Saudi Arabia."
No, what she said merely prompted those who already hated her to infer that she things we are as bad as Saudi Arabia. But no unbiased person who knows about Saudi Arabia could reasonably reach that conclusion.

And hypothetically if she had implied that we are as bad as Saudi Arabia, that doesn't mean she "does indeed prefer Saudi Arabia to us in the HR stakes". So it was an outright lie on your part.

"It's good to see that you at least do not question the fact of her being a proven LIAR and a barking mad Lefty who will pull Malcolm's and the Coalition 'New Labor's' strings."
I don't know enough about the claim to pass judgement on the LIAR claim – so far I only have your word that she said it, and that it was untrue.

But the current immigration detention policy is so evil that I wish she would hurry up and pull Malcolm's strings if she can.

Aidian: But the current immigration detention policy is so evil that I wish she would hurry up and pull Malcolm's strings if she can.

So... let's just hand the Detention Centres over to the rightful caretaker. The U.N. As I said before, it's not Australia's job to look after these people. That's the job of the U.N. Australia's Detention Centres are 100 times better than anything the U.N. has ever provided to refugees. They would be getting a bargain. Take the cost of the facilities off the Aid Budget too. Win-Win for Australia & the U.N.

Hey poirot, any chance of answering any of those questions you owe me. Maybe you could answer them too JOM or ArJ whichever.

Hey Jayb, computers need the right format for questions !

Aiden, stop pontificating, we all know what she meant !

Bazz, if we all know what she meant, why did you accuse her of meaning something else?

Aiden what are you on about ?
She made the comparison, and if you cannot see what everyone else
saw then I am sorry for you.

Bazz,

You and ttbn made the ASSUMPTION that she was making a comparison, and hence reached the ABSURD conclusion that she thought the human rights situation in Saudi Arabia was preferable to that in Australia.

Whereas anyone who didn't make that assumption would come to the sensible conclusion that she was making the point that our ability to criticise countries much worse on human rights issues is damaged by our mistreatment of asylum seekers.

Aidan,

Why don't you simply state your hatred for Australia and all Australians who disagree with you and find somewhere else to live? You are making yourself miserable and everyone else fed up to the back teeth with your incessant whining and carping. I could not bear reading another of your miserable posts, and I will not. You are a serial pest.

ttbn,

There you go sgain making ludicrous assumptions!

I don't hate Australia at all. I made a commitment to Australia when I became an Australian citizen more than twenty years ago, and since then I've never wavered in wanting to see Australia succeed, nor in wanting to make it even better.

And ou seem to be displsying much more hatred to those who disagree with you than I ever did.

If you can't bear aving your delusions shattered then I suggest you avoid this board. But I think my going away and leaving your false claims unchallenged would make Australia a worse place.

As I understand it, at the time of the last election, there were two thousand refugee children in detention. Currently, there are two hundred or less.

Did the noted lawyer, Gillian Triggs, open her mouth back in the days when Labour was in power ? Yes ? No ?

Did she open her mouth well after they were gone ? Yes ? Did she open it to point out the rapid decline in refugee child numbers ? No ?

And do you think that Gillian Triggs would give a moment's thought to living in Saudi Arabia ? Would she jump at the chance ?

But Saudi Arabia's pretty handy as a stick to shove up the government here, I suppose. After all, any stick will do.

I wonder if the pseudo-Left actually has any principles left at all. Of course, in the good old days ....

Joe

Snapshot of Children in Detention:
• There are currently 895 children locked in immigration detention facilities in Australia and offshore (as at 31 July 2014).
• Of these, 331 children are being held in detention on Christmas Island and Nauru.
• More than 70 per cent of people currently in detention have been held for between six and 18 months.
• There are 54 unaccompanied children being held in detention (as at 31 March 2014)
• There were 128 reported incidents of self-harm amongst children in detention from January 2013 to March 2014.
*Statistics taken from Department of Immigration and Australian Human Rights Commission.

So where did those children go from 2014 till now. You know what Abbott said or is that just another final lie.

Hi 579,

It's 6 December 2015. Any change in those numbers after the last eighteen months ?

Joe