Dear david f,

My four degrees are in engineering, anthropology, sociology, and history.

Also engaging with Shadow Minister's subsequent comments I would like to offer the following definitions:

Mathematics is the system used to calculate and measure our world or universe.

Physics is the science used to understand how our world or universe works.

Engineering is just a vocational degree (like medicine, architecture, law, etc.) with the singular purpose of training people for specific jobs.

Dear Mr Opinion,

You defined mathematics as 'the system used to calculate and measure our world or universe.'

Your definition of mathematics is limited since it does not cover all the branches of mathematics. Calculating and measuring are only two of the functions of mathematics. Topology and number theory neither calculate nor measure but are branches of mathematics.

A definition from the net is:

the abstract science of number, quantity, and space. Mathematics may be studied in its own right (pure mathematics), or as it is applied to other disciplines such as physics and engineering (applied mathematics).

Dear david f,

I'll stick with my definition of mathematics. It may be simplistic but it is a good basis for understanding the origin of mathematics amongst the ancients and it's subsequent evolution toward modernity.

I definitely do not agree that physics is applied mathematics and thus some sub-branch of mathematics. Physics stands by itself as the branch of science that studies and analyses the way the world or universe works.

Engineering definitely is not an applied mathematics. For me engineering is only a trade or profession that in many respects can exist independently of mathematics. I think engineering faculties complicate the study of engineering with an overuse of mathematics in order to elevate what they do to the intellectual level enjoyed by the Sciences and Arts.

Dear Mr Opinion,

You wrote "I'll stick with my definition of mathematics. It may be simplistic but it is a good basis for understanding the origin of mathematics amongst the ancients and it's subsequent evolution toward modernity."

A definition of mathematics should define mathematics. Your definition doesn't. However, 'it's' is an abbreviation of 'it is'. The possessive case of it is its. English, unlike mathematics, is not logical

Dear david f,

Oops! Thanks for pointing out my typing mistake. I should check my typing before uploading my comments.

Dear Mr Opinion,

I appreciate your polite response to my criticism. It makes it pleasant to argue and/or discuss matters with you.