This NSW Greens politician is allegedly using Facebook to reveal police drug dog operations.

<David Shoebridge Uses Facebook To Thwart [Police] Drug Dogs

..It's safe to say NSW Greens MP David Shoebridge doesn't like drug detection dogs. The otherwise adorable labradors are routinely deployed by NSW Police in licensed venues, at sporting or entertainment events and along public transport routes, looking to sniff out traces of illicit drugs -- amphetamines, cannabis, cocaine, ecstasy, heroin and methamphetamines -- in crowds before officers search the people indicated by the dogs' keen sense of smell.

[Shoebridge], "These dogs are getting it wrong between 60 and 80 per cent of the time.

[The]Facebook page regularly warns followers of the location of sniffer dog operations.>
Huffington Post Australia, 24Nov2015

However, drug dogs very rarely 'get it wrong', if ever. The alleged 60-80% 'wrong' detections could be expressed as 20-40% caught with the drugs on them. The remainder of 'false positives' had already consumed their drugs (getting ready for a big night), had dropped their stash earlier or had been in the presence of drugs, so the dogs are right again.

OTB,

We should see this in a positive light; surely it is a good thing that a prominent Green is displaying the Australian Value of helping one's mates.
He is perhaps following the example of the former national leader of his party, Bob Brown who was well known for looking after his mates.

Hi there, Beach old Buddy,

What a laugh, HA HA! When you can't dredge up some garbage you believe will embarrass The Greens, you simply INVENT IT, like this bit of scintillating fiction you've posted, HA,HA! Note folks, no evidence presented just a bit of "its alleged" alleged by who? Beach and your folk hero, party leader Jim Saleam, HA, HA! You and Jim defiantly have to get out more, and stop spending so much time in that dingy basement that doubles as party HQ, in Tempe, its affecting your thinking, not that you though all that much before, it must be that damp basement that's doing it. HA, HA!

When no one responds to a Beachy beat up, you can always rely on good old Constable Clod to chime in with some incisive comment. Like some kind of Don Quixote's faithful side kick Sancho Panza, Is Mise is there for his forum buddy Beach! They are truly the forums dynamic duo! Durrrr!

Is Mise,

How about a comment on you man Bob Ballsup from the NSW Shooters and Hooters Party and the way he slagged off the Liberal Mayor of Liverpool using Parliamentary Privilege. I have given you plenty of opportunities over the past couple of weeks to comment, but so far NOTHING!

If you two want to get some real dirt on The Greens try this link.

http://madam-zelda.blogspot.com.au/2011/12/fortune-teller.html

Then you didn't read my reply.

Paul1405, 'fiction'

You are in denial as usual. I gave the source and date of publication. You claim to be a best buddy of Shoebridge's, go ask him yourself.

I was being kind when I said it was alleged. The news article cited in the OP was definite, saying, "David Shoebridge Uses Facebook To Thwart [Police] Drug Dogs".

I didn't post the link form the news article that gave NSW Greens MP David Shoebridge's Facebook page, because to do so would be to give this Greens human headline the publicity he seeks and at the same time help him to frustrate police operations.

Beach, I am not familiar with that particular publication of yours, the Kalamazoo Chronicle or whatever its name is, are you the editor-in-chief, by any chance? Or do you leave all the tough stuff to Jimbo, like writing stories. Of course you would not make reference to Dave's Facebook page, there is no dirt there for you to use, HA,HA!

Is Mise, I must have missed your comment on Bob Ballsup and his pathetic use pf parliamentary privilege to slag off the Mayor of Liverpool. Possibly your one line comment was sandwiched between two of Beachy boys 350 word diatribes, that only you can be bothered reading, no one else, and I missed it.

Paul1405,

Despite the evidence given in the OP you denied Greens David Shoebridge is using Facebook to thwart [Police] drug sniffer dogs.

Confronted with the evidence a second time, you stick your head in the sand, claiming you are "not familiar with that particular publication".

You make up stories to besmirch the character of the OP, the humble messenger and to poison the well against him (me).

The Greens have no credibility and no ethics. It is all about protests, headlines and getting those comfy seats in Parliament and the entitlements that go with it. NO contributions of any worth, just tiresome protests and wasting the taxpayer's dollars in the process.

Naughty, naughty Beach, telling another one of your porkies! The Facebook site that you conveniently fail to name or link to is 'Sniff Off'. Nothing to do with David Shoebridge or The Greens.

And you claiming; "I (OTB) didn't post the link form the news article that gave NSW Greens MP David Shoebridge's Facebook page, because to do so would be to give this Greens human headline the publicity he seeks and at the same time help him to frustrate police operations."

Liar liar pants on fire Beach!

The reason you did not post a link to David Shoebridge's Facebook page, IS because the article you refereed to ONLY POSTED A LINK TO THE "SNIFF OFF" FACEBOOK PAGE!

Who is Arianna Huffington and her blog page? Yes, part time actor and Greek/Yank, prolific writer of fiction trying to make a buck out of little old Aussie. Not doing too well is Arianna and her Huffpost, not in the top 10 of news blogs in Australia. Well Don Quixote and his faithful side kick Sancho Panza here might have boosted readership by 100%

Beach, you are well known for your support of a crazy police state. Has anyone warmed to your idea of putting school cadets, armed with vintage 303's rifles, on buses and trains to protect commuters from terrorists? I can only assume you will have the sea scouts looking after the ferries, given their nortical experience.
AND you thought I had forgotten about that one!

Paul1405,

You are being devious.

Here is the Huffington Post Australia with the story and a photo of Greens Shoebridge in front of a Greens poster advertising and endorsing the subject site, SniffOff.

Quote, "Shoebridge, with his Sniff Off campaign, is doing his best to thwart them -- and is enlisting the public to help."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2015/11/23/shoebridge-facebook-drug-dog_n_8626386.html

Does not matter how many times they get it wrong.
It is the number of times they get it right that is important.
Those dope heads need more than 24 hours before the drive a car or do
a job driving machinery of some sort.

I would be happier if that can be used to prohibit their driving or working.

Beach, you continue to persevere, offering this, in my opinion, an ultra right foreign blog site as "evidence" of wrong doing on the part of honest Dave in relation to sniffer dogs and some erroneous Facebook page.
Unless you can offer a link to a reputable Aussie publication as evidence, I am afraid I cannot accept what may well be a doctored photo as evidence, we cannot be sure of this, knowing what the mischievous can do with 'cut and paste' these days.
Australian media outlets are subject to stringent controls when it comes to reporting the truth, unfortunately foreign blogs are not. You and Dave, may well be the innocent victims of humbuggery on the part of the unscrupulous! We just don't know!

Is this all part of some police state campaign by the ultra right?

Paul1405,

From your incoherent replies you must have been to another Greens branch meeting.

Watch out for those nice little doggies.

Thanks Beach, I have enjoyed our little discussion on this one. Unfortunately for you, I won, you lost, but that's life.
So see you sometime, somewhere, on another thread, be it about guns for the kiddies or locking up the pensioners, you pick the topic and I'm sure we'll have a verbal spat over it.

Love you big time. Cheers and keep well.

Paul1405,

Your English teacher must have been driven to distraction by your naughty games and poor comprehension.

Here, try reading this again,

<Here is the Huffington Post Australia with the story and a photo of Greens Shoebridge [the 'Human Headline'] in front of a Greens poster advertising and endorsing the subject site, SniffOff.

Quote, "Shoebridge, with his Sniff Off campaign, is doing his best to thwart them -- and is enlisting the public to help."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2015/11/23/shoebridge-facebook-drug-dog_n_8626386.html

Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 26 November 2015 7:40:34 PM>

Beach, just when I thought we had said our tearful goodbyes on this subject, your back again for round two. I must say your nothing if not a game little rooster!

Now, I thought we had agreed that "evidence" from unreliable sources, aka the Huff and Puff blog, would not be accepted full stop. i checked both the Washington Post and the Times of London and they had nothing to say on the subject, obviously not news worthy to such reputable publications.

So once more I will bid you arrivederci, pardon my French, and good night from me and a good night from him. or as the Italians would say au revoir!

Paul,

Was this another false flag event?

http://davidshoebridge.org.au/2015/05/28/drug-detection-dog-repeal-bill/

"Drug Detection Dog Repeal Bill

May 28, 2015 in blog, In the Media, justice, Media, Police
20150528_104918

Today Greens member for Newtown Jenny Leong will give notice of a bill to end the use of drug detection dogs without a warrant on public transport, at festivals, bars and Kings Cross....."

Where are you Paul?

"Greens MP and Justice Spokesperson David Shoebridge said:

"When a police drug dog indicates somebody possesses drugs, the fact is they are getting it wrong between two thirds and three quarters of the time.

"Despite drug dogs being wrong most of the time, thousands of people on public transport, at bars and festivals are subjected to humiliating public searches each year.

"Even when police do find drugs, it is usually a small amount for personal consumption. Only 2% of searches result in a supply conviction.

"The drug dog regime does not target high-level drug dealers or suppliers. It targets young people, the poor and Aboriginal communities," Mr Shoebridge said.".

"Drug sniffer dogs do not work. In fact they are wrong 64-72% of the time. When they do find drugs, it is normally a small amount for personal use - only 2% of searches result in a supply conviction.

The police use of drug dogs disproportionately affects the poor, Aboriginal and queer communities. Young people just trying to have a good time at festivals and bars are subject to police harassment including strip searches.

Police might try to ruin our good times, but we won't go down without a fight. We are holding our own party to protest the drug dog regime.

Sniff Off is the NSW Greens against the use of drug dogs without a warrant. Like us on Facebook or go to our website.

There's limited capacity so order your tickets here beforehand so you don't miss out!"

Both quotes are from the NSW Greens web site.
http://nsw.greens.org.au/news/nsw/drug-detection-dog-repeal-bill-launch-feat-internationally-renowned-musicians

Is Mise, I have a low tolerance for drug use.

In your conservative black and white world, drugs are bad, people who take drugs are bad, sniffer dogs are good, coppers are good. Coppers with dogs arrest bad drug users, A very simple and ordered scenario which suits your comfortable middle class existence. We are not going to change that.

Is there anything you disagree with in your own post? I'ts all very factual. I personally have been subjected to the sniff dog test many times at both Newtown and Redfern train stations, I frequently use both stations, the coppers with their dogs are there all the time. They detain mostly young people, and subject therm to a frisk, usually turning up nothing, and if they do its invariably the kids own weed that he smokes.

Its my understanding the coppers target both Newtown and Redfern, yet are rarely or never seen at say Strathfield or Chatswood train stations, along with Bondi Junction station, equally as big stations populated by middle class school kids, morning and evening. Why? Do some of them have drugs on em', hummm! Headline; 'Judges Son Caught Selling Drugs At Bondi Station' bad news, we don't want to see such bad news do we.

The big question for you is how much are the sniffer dogs costing society, both financially and socially and for what result. I suggest the sniffers would be better employed sniffing around containers at nearby Port Botany, and not sniffing up the asses of school kids and the disadvantaged at Newtown and Redfern train stations.

Paul,

All that you now post is probably true but you denied that Shoebridge was advising where the sniffer dogs are likely to be, yet on the Greens web site there are the links to Sniff Off which you denied existed.
OTB was right.

No, no, no. Is Mise, I never denied the existence of a Facebook page called 'Sniff Off' or David Shoebridge's involvement. The original post from a foreign blog site I considered not creditable evidence. I am not going to make the case for the prosecution, with a biased story from a conservative right web site, I'll leave that to you blokes.

http://davidshoebridge.org.au/sniffoff/

Sniffer dogs are a valuable tool in the detection of drugs, but they must be used properly, target dealers/suppliers, not a bunch of disadvantaged schoolies and others around Newtown and Redfern. Fact, you are 100 times more likely to find a sniffer dog on Redfern Station than you are on Chatswood (leafy north shore) Station, Why? Sure the coppers have to be proactive in the fight against drugs, but don't just aim at the "soft" targets, like kids on train stations, go after the Mr Big. I would much prefer to see one drug dealer behind bars, even if it means 100 users go free.

Give me your opinion on this please. My partner "T" was stopped and questioned by two young constables on Friday night outside a pub in Redfern about 10pm while waiting for the bus home. They wanted to know what she was "doing". She had not been to the pub, in fact she had been to a meeting and was waiting for the bus. Given her dark skin, (been swimming a lot lately) and Maori features she could pass for aboriginal. Would a white middle class woman waiting for a bus, say in Mosman at 10pm on a Friday night be asked by two constables "what are you doing?"
p/s They didn't have a sniffer dog with them. LOL. In the end there was noting to it, as "T" is a very friendly person and is inclined to say hello first, even to coppers. I said consider they may have been only concerned for your welfare at that time, next time catch a cab home, don't wait for the bus. "I'm safe there! the bros wont hurt me!" so she says.

Paul1405, "The big question for you is how much are the sniffer dogs costing society, both financially and socially and for what result"

The hit rate is far higher than Random Breath Testing (RBT). However the Human Headline, NSW 'Watermelon' Greens Shoebridge, is not saying anything about that.

Talking about RBT, it is understood that the bigger problem now is the illicit drugs being detected on drivers.

-Count among them those pedestrians the Greens don't want tested, many of whom doubtless mount a motorcycle or drive some other motor vehicle after escaping the density of cbd traffic.

What Paul1405 is silent about is that underlying Shoebridge's attempts to sabotage police efforts to detect drug carriers (and thereby find out the dealers and traffickers) is the Greens belief that manufacturing and trafficking illicit drugs is trivial and using drugs should be legal.

-Remember how the Greens defended those convicted traffickers caught in Bali, saying that the offence was not serious at all. Say what? A million hits for Australian kids, many newbies at concerts and the like, and multi-millions for the criminals and enablers involved.

Is it any wonder the Greens lobby so hard for the bikies who manufacture and deal drugs. -Remember how the Greens and Labor leftists have rolled logs in the way of the State laws to deter gangs, often Middle-Eastern, from trafficking drugs? Together they have managed to 'deep six' the successful Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment Act 2013 (VLAD), an Act of the Parliament of Queensland to "severely punish members of criminal organisations that commit serious offences". The bikies' challenges to the High Court failed, but the leftists did their dirty work for them.

"The hit rate is far higher than Random Breath Testing (RBT)" What is the relevance of that Beach? Unlike sniffer dogs at railway stations RBT is not solely conducted in King Street Newtown, or Botany Road Redfern. If RBT was getting it wrong 64-72% of the time, then we would have to look at the effectiveness of the RBT program, do you not agree. In 2006 the independent ombudsman recommended the sniffer dog program be ended in its random format. This focus on young people and disadvantaged people, what is it achieving? I say very little in the fight against the scourge that is illicit drugs in our community, and all at a substantial cost. It may have more to do with being seen to be doing something, than actually doing something.

As a hard right supporter of a police state I doubt you have much regard for civil liberties, or any sympathy for the rights of the common man. This is just another example of your glowing admiration for all things totalitarian.

I must remind you David Shoebridge was democratically elected by the people of New South Wales to represent them in the States Parliament, concepts that seem alien to you.

Shoebridge is a human headline. The electorate is demanding policing of drugs, a contest that some say is lost.

There is a drug epidemic in NSW and Sydney in particular. Drug use is the Number One problem affecting youth and now students. It is worse in some areas.

If Greens and leftists were at all concerned about youth they would NOT have sabotaged and now torpedoed Queensland's successful Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment Act 2013 (VLAD), an Act of the Parliament to "severely punish members of criminal organisations that commit serious offences" and given a green light by the High Court.

Who do the Greens 'represent'? Obviously not the youth of Australia and their concerned parents and friends.

Who do the Greens 'represent'? Certainly not you Beach, we leave that to the likes of Pauline Hanson and Jim Saleam, along with others from the rabid right.

Roads Minister Duncan Gay announced today a state-wide drug-driving blitz in New South Wales to catch out drug drivers. This in my view is only a start as to what needs to be done to effectively deal with drug drivers. David Shoebridge rightly points out that this kind of testing is limited in its capacity, testing for small amounts of illegal drugs and does not test for driver impairment, which can be caused by legal drugs as well.

David said; "The fundamental problem with the police roadside drug testing is that it has nothing to do with removing drug impaired drivers from the road. The tests detect trace levels of only three illegal drugs and does not check for the most commonly used legal drugs that impair driving such as benzodiazepines, like Valium."

The Greens want to see real action on this and not simply political point scoring with an advertising blitz.