Syria has a Civil War because refugee camps were a hot bed of terrorist activity.
Palestinian refugees having walked away from Israel now want to thieve murder and rape their way through Syria.
ISIS has thousands of followers, even some from Australia in Syria.
In Australia the response to a few under aged radicals was quick and over the top.
Imagine if the Australian Government had to deal with thousands of armed terrorists as Assad had.
We must be so thankful that the Kurds and Russians are doing our fighting.

You are right, he does need to stay in Syria, preferably in a box.

Is Mise,

What has Assad done to deserve your comment on this thread?
What has Bashar al-Assad been convicted of?
What do you know for sure that he did wrong?
Do you think Assad would gas his own people after he saw what happened to Saddam Hussein for allegedly gassing his people?
Assad is not an idiot.

JF,

Sorry to have replied, I thought that you were joking.

Consider how many innocent people have been killed because of the weapons of mass destruction lies.

Then properly consider reason for the present bloodshed in Syria.

Why not reply in view of the bloodshed, Is Mise, with reasonable answer to the questions I have asked?

I predict that this will be a dead thread.

JF Aus,

"What has Bashar al-Assad been convicted of?"
There's no procedure to bring him to justice, therefore he hasn't been convicted of anything.

"What do you know for sure that he did wrong?"
There's overwhelming evidence that he ordered false flag terrorist actions against his own people.

"Do you think Assad would gas his own people after he saw what happened to Saddam Hussein for allegedly gassing his people?
Assad is not an idiot."
He would and he did. Saddam did gas his own people (that's not merely an accusation; it's a well documented fact. It happened in the 1980s, and did not trigger a war).

What Assad learned from Iraq was that he needed Russia on his side. And that worked: he used chemical weapons against civilians in areas controlled by his opponents, and Russian support prevented America from responding.

Is Mise,
You apparently think let Syrian people continue dying.
Make this a go nowhere thread and just let the carnage continue, eh.

Typical "weapons of mass destruction" type of disgusting unproven accusation is yet again interfering in another countries politics while civilians die.

Why don't you answer the questions, Is Mise?
You apparently do not believe in "innocent until proven guilty".

Aidan,
I can agree Hussein was convicted and put to death as penalty.
How can you possibly think Assad would be stupid enough to gas his people, while knowing full well of that fatal penalty?

I think Russia was already helping Assad before the alleged gassing took place. So why would Assad gas people to get help from Russia?

War and killing civilian men women and children surely must stop.
To say nothing about the long lasting impact of carnage witnessed by children.

America and Russia should be working together like they are in the international space station.

"I can agree Hussein was convicted and put to death as penalty.
How can you possibly think Assad would be stupid enough to gas his people, while knowing full well of that fatal penalty?"
Because he's already committed more than enough abominable crimes that his people would execute him if they could ever manage to bring him to justice. His only hope is to ensure they never do.

"I think Russia was already helping Assad before the alleged gassing took place. So why would Assad gas people to get help from Russia?"
He didn't; the idea is so ridiculous that it didn't occur to me that my words could give that imoression, My point is he wouldn't've gassed those people if he didn't have Russian support.

"War and killing civilian men women and children surely must stop.
To say nothing about the long lasting impact of carnage witnessed by children."
The trouble is the killing started before the war, and there doesn't seem to be a way of ending the war that would be effective in ending the killing.

"America and Russia should be working together like they are in the international space station."
In the international space station they have a common objective. It's far more difficult to get countries to cooperate when they have different objectives — especially in Syria when some of their objectives are mutually exclusive.

I maintain Assad is not so stupid to gas anyone following what he saw was done to Saddam Hussein.

And I think if western allies joined with Russia is helping Assad to regain control and peace, the killing and exodus of people into other over-burdened countries would stop.

Otherwise, Aidan, I think you best try to show some evidence of the "abominable crimes" you say Assad has committed.

And remember the accusation of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was a total lie.

I have thought for years, since Putin has been in power,
That we should make Russia a Western Allie,

I think it could work very well.

I also think Putin is reading that situation in Syria much more accurately
Than the Western powers. He knows the history of the Ottoman
Empire and the tribal allegiances formed since then.

Putin should take command of that war, and the stupid United Nations
Need to butt out. It would end much more favourably for Europe
And it would be over much more quickly.

CHERFUL,
I think the same.
Most importantly, less lives would be lost by ending it much more quickly.
The way it is being allowed to continue at present is cruel.

Look, they are Arabs and this is he Middle East.
It is what they do, so bleating about the killing and gassing is quite
irrelevant.
They have been fighting each other over who should have succeeded
Mohammad when he died ever since.
Their genetic problem does not enable them to compromise.
It is a bridge too far for them.

I know it is cruel but perhaps we should should just send them all
back from Europe, place an electronic wall around the Middle East
and let no one in or out.

Being placed in such a dramatic position of compromise or die with
all those immigrants returning may force them to settle on a compromise.
Such a difficult position may cause a mutation of their genome.

Weapons of mass destruction were what Saddam bragged about and he had some germ and chemical weapons so it was not a total lie, anything but!
Assad's Father did the same as his son and the Father's brother tried to usurp Assad Snr back in the 1960's. He fled to London as has lived in luxury ever since. So much for Middle East politics.
Tony Abbott had it spot on "The bad guys against the even worse guys". TA should have ensured we were no part of it and any Australian who went there could never ever come back. Why we allow these filthy scum to infect our country beats me unless it is to make the left feel superior?

I saw Saddam Hussein brag about progress on their nuclear weapon program.
Israel bombed their reactor, so I just do not see how anyone could have
said there were no weapons or how far he had got down the track to a usable weapon.
It was known that they had some centrifuges. It may have not been known
how many they had made.

It was not a gamble anyone wanted to lose.

They killed Hussein because he used gas on his own people. Why would Assad do the same thing? He would have to be stupid to do the same thing. Assad is educated.

Hi JF Aus,

Yes, Saddam murdered thousands of Kurdish women and children using poison gas, back in 1988, and perhaps at other times as well. He was executed for a very wide range of crimes in 2006 by the Iraqi government. Good riddance. But basically, he got away with murdering thousands of people using poison gas, for at least eighteen years.

So Assad has plenty of time to use plenty more poison gas, even if he eventually has to flee Syria. Given the rumours that Putin used poison gas to stop the Moscow Theatre siege (and perhaps at Beslan as well), Assad shouldn't have much trouble, on that score at least, if he seeks asylum in Russia. Birds of a feather ....

As for Putin's venture into the Middle East, he will probably make much use of his Chechen soldiers. But with twenty million Muslims in the North Caucasus, and many millions elsewhere in various 'republics' across Russia, not to mention the central Asian republics, he may find, in this very long war, that he has over-reached, and alienated much of his fiefdom. Given Russia's demographics and economic slump, he may not have much time to defeat a spreading enemy. Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke :)

Joe

Hi Joe,

Innocent until proven guilty is part of democracy.
Many people lay blame as a virtual weapon.

Spread of an enemy as you say, I think that will have devastating outcome if peace is not realized a.s.a.p, more reason why Assad should remain until proven guilty or not.

Natural world food supply from land and oceans is now virtually exhausted, I understand the situation in the world ocean and I think any future world war or civil war worldwide will mean starvation and disease impacting most people.

Mad Max also comes to mind, especially with no oil refinery remaining in Australia.

I think best leave Assad in Syria and concentrate on employment, income, affordable food and peace.

Removing the leaders from Iraq and Libya was a mistake that we will pay for over the coming decades. Removing Assad will compound these mistakes. Thankfully Russia and Iran are standing up for Assad. It does not generate a good feeling with Saudi Arabia (the source of Wahhabi Islam) pushing for Assad’s removal.

Well, the thread liveth even unto four pages.

Is mise
Spare some time to think about solutions to stop the death and destruction.