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Possible One Million migrants flooding Europe
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Posted by Banjo, Friday, 25 September 2015 1:17:57 PM
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Banjo,
Probably not and I don't think too many "refugees" are going to find their better life in Europe, as the Islamic state grows and takes control of north Africa, the middle east and west Asia a lot of them will return because conditions will be better for them there than in Europe. I obviously read a lot of nationalistic material and communicate with nationalists all over the world via social media and they're not overly worried about longer term impacts simply because the ordinary Europeans who've never cared about politics are already rising against pro-immigration parties and NGO's. It's been quite amazing to see the change in the type of material my French, German, Austrian and Italian Facebook friends are posting, these are not Nationalists but people I've friended based on a common interest in music. From pictures of musicians, cars, and the day to day trending photos and such they've moved on to sharing the posts from the GDD page, PEGIDA,Golden Dawn, Sweden Democrats, Jobbik Liberty GB and the like. Now these are really normal people, a lot of them I'd even consider to be left leaning in other areas such as Gay rights and such, they all seem to work, have families and mortgages, these aren't skinheads or hooligans. In fact the old "Far Right" campaigners are largely staying out of it as Varg Vikernes explains: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwTM2B6MUJU&feature=share In fact many Australian Nationalists have also agreed not to take up prominent roles in UPF and Reclaim Australia rallies for that reason, the ordinary people are now saying the things we used to say, so we need to move on to other things and leave them to it. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 25 September 2015 2:20:28 PM
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Dr Christine Langenfelds of the German Foundation For Migration and Integration claims that to date there has been no empirical study of the qualifications and education of refugees. There are currently seven reception centres in Germany where migrants are interviewed for job readiness and skill levels and since July they've assessed only 270 out of a potential 250,000 cases. Further to that even in "developed" Syria and Iraq only about 6% of the people have higher education qualifications and German analysts guess that perhaps 10% of the expected 800,000 migrants arriving this year will be employable.
Germans are also worried that because the migrants will not be productive even if employable in menial jobs that there will be calls from employer groups to lower the minimum wage and Merkel being Merkel will give in to them. http://www.facebook.com/GDDVerbund/posts/626696244139813 Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 25 September 2015 9:06:45 PM
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//Will it change Europe forever, Socially and economically?//
It seems unlikely. In 2013 there were 742 million people in Europe, so I can't see an extra 1 million making much difference. They've probably increased in population by more than 1 million since 2013 anyway and it doesn't seem to have done them any harm. Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 25 September 2015 11:27:50 PM
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Toni, no it won't but it's wrong to say that there will be no negative consequences, the effect of third world immigration is overwhelmingly negative, it's simply been mitigated to a large degree by dispersal of immigrants over a wider area and by media and government cover ups and white washing of the facts. The fact that the rapes, financial fraud, drug dealing, gang violence and other crimes endemic in migrant groups have been spread over time and geography makes it easy to describe them as isolated incidents but they're actually very common among immigrant groups. Overall migrants to Germany commit crimes at four times the rate that native Germans do and Muslims, Lebanese, Turks, Somalis, Koosovars and Albanians in particular are notorious.
Example. Apologists for immigrants can sidestep context and say "Oh well this attack by Lebanese happened in Dallas, this one happened in Dandenong, this one happened in Footscray all over a period of a year, they're not connected and there's no real problem". Yet they are connected, there is a pattern and there is a problem with Lebanese violence, the Lebanese ancestry is the context and the thread that joins all the attacks. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 26 September 2015 8:50:14 AM
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The immigration into Denmark, Holland, Belgium and France has been
disastrous. Just yesterday there was a video doing the rounds of two moslem men slapping, punching and kicking a teenage girl because she was dressed immodestly wearing jeans and a top with short sleeves. You see moslems have a fixation about women's legs, arms and hair. When they see them they can become uncontrollable. At least that is the excuse they give the judges when caught. Posted by Bazz, Monday, 28 September 2015 5:04:03 PM
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Two moslem men slapping, punching and kicking a teenage girl because she
was dressed immodestly wearing jeans and a top with short sleeves? Come on now Bazz you know you cant say that because its racist. Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 28 September 2015 7:36:40 PM
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Tell that to the girl.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 8:27:51 AM
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G'day there BAZZ...
If I saw a couple of these 'Islamic hero's' kicking the hell out of some poor girl - whatever the reason, I'd delight in doing a Mexican Hat Dance on their miserable faces, the maggots ! I have an intense loathing for these 'tough guys' belting the daylights out of some defenceless woman - they want a 'blue' go pick on a couple of blokes ! Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 1:46:20 PM
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Yes O Sung Wu, after the Bil Al gang here, the Rotherham white slave
trafficers there and elsewhere in the UK and similar problems in Holland, Denmark and Sweden tell the victims that it is not a trend. Oh yes I forgot the gang in Bendigo. We have enough people in this country, we can do without more of that. Funny it is mainly the women here that criticise me on here. Is it wishful thinking? snap snap snap ! Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 1:57:05 PM
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This bloke does not agree that there will be no impact on Europe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIcltV7r-nM Posted by Banjo, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 7:40:59 PM
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Posted by Banjo, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 8:00:18 PM
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Hi (again) BAZZ...
I must admit I've found more Islamic males seem to have a greater preponderance for striking a female, than perhaps many other ethnic cultures in this country ? Though to be perfectly honest, many red blooded Aussie blokes have no scruples whatsoever about belting the 'bejesus' out of some poor wretched woman, after she innocently asked why he came home roaring drunk, six nights out of seven ? I think many males in our community have this fallacious believe, that their 'superior position' within the family hierarchy or their very manhood itself, is rapidly being weakened and therefore compromised ? Because they're convinced there's a precipitately changing gender ascendancy happening within society, and they're being left behind ? And their only riposte to that belief is to lash-out; generally at the poor spouse who represents the nearest, the weakest, and the 'safest' of all available targets ! I've no doubt whatsoever, our Islamic brethren are no strangers to the frequent application of gross domestic violence, both as a punishment and as Sharia remedy, for a non-compliant spouse. Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 10:19:23 PM
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O sung,
I realise you've had different experiences to most of us but I've probably only met two men like that in my entire 48 years and only known of a handful of couples who were mutually violent. If the Feminist analysis is correct and not massively over stated we as everyday citizens should be seeing dozens of female walking wounded every time we step outside the door and our sleep would be interrupted by the screams of the tormented in our neighbourhood. The issue with Muslim men isn't really that they come home and victimise their women, from my experience they treat them reasonably well, (if you call putting someone on a pedestal healthy) the real problem is that the males are always out and about at night in groups without while the women and girls are at home most of the time. The most common complaint against Muslim men is that they sexually harass women based firstly on their ethnicity and then their age, young White, Asian, Islander and Aboriginal girls are seen as fair game and the Muslims make a sport of targeting couples so they can get their jollies by bashing the man and possibly get to rape the woman. Yeah sure Whites, Indians and Asians do fight and often over women but the difference is that they are usually about in mixed company so they're never able to physically stand up to an all male Muslim gang. If you have 20 young White people out on the town and half of them are girls the group can't stand up to violent harassment by an equal number of Muslim men. To summarise, when you have an imbalance of genders in the town centre on a Friday night there will be fighting, the problem is that when a high proportion of the people in your town are from broadly speaking "Muslim" ancestry, the imbalance is permanent,exaggerated and the violence more extreme because of the cultural practices of those immigrant descended families. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 2:23:55 PM
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O Sung Wu, I must have led a sheltered life as I have never known of a
women who has been bashed or illtreated or a man who has been guilty of bashing his wife. I am not saying it does not happen. I lived in the same street for fifty years and never heard of it. Pretty stable community though, people only left when they downsized. It really is a sad thing to hear about. You make the decision to live with this woman till death do us part so why make an enemy of her ? I have never seen figures on how common wife bashing is but it is probably a lot higher than the figures. Neighbours would know as it would almost certainly be accompanied by shouting and screaming. My wife and I drive each other up the wall sometimes but it would never get physical. Very sad indeed. Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 5:24:21 PM
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Hi there BAZZ & JAY of MELBOURNE...
Much of what both of you've said is true. Of course you'll generally find more incidents of DV occur, in the more socio-economically deprived areas of Sydney, than that of the middle class or well-off suburbs. Make no mistake Domestic Violence happens right across the entire spectrum, but generally speaking it's confined to those poor buggers who have a real tough time making ends meet, each and every week. Dysfunctional families, unemployment, kids rebelling against normal parental control, and naturally, the illicit use of drugs and unrestrained alcohol consumption, all play a much bigger part in the DV equation, than many of the Social Workers and psychologists at the coal face, seem to believe. It's only when the coppers turn up that any sense of normality just seems to collapse in a heap, and the joint erupts into a scene of neighbourhood combat ? Particularly in the SW suburbs of Sydney town ! I could go on for hours recounting what I've witnessed over the years, but still, both of you would've read just as much about the 'goings on' behind closed doors seemingly in a climate of domestic bliss, that you would be more than likely bored, rather than enlightened, I should think ? The answer(s) are... I really don't know ? What I do know - There's always three (3) sides to the story, in all Domestic Violence matters ? Her side, his side, and the truth ! AND remember......It takes two (2) hands to clap ! Posted by o sung wu, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 8:11:04 PM
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OK O Sung Wi, I guess we none of us have been in others shoes.
When we had a row about something I would blow her a kiss. It would make her as mad as hell and she would stomp off and that would be the end of it. We must be getting mellow these days havn't had to do that for some time, hi ! Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 10:40:55 PM
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What are the likely impacts of this on Europe?
Will it change Europe forever, Socially and economically?