Someone, doesn't really matter who, said that if you want to change society, you have to first white-ant the traditional mores and values of that society or words to that effect.

Isn't that what Green-Labor (there is no longer any reason to distinguish between the two) is doing to our society? Homosexual "marriage"; wanting to spend billions we do do not have on useless renewable energy; open borders and multiculturalism attacking our sense of identity (admittedly institigated by a Liberal PM who subsequently outed himself as an adherent of the Left - a plant perhaps); constant sneering, if not downright opposition to Chrstian ethics.

I probaly haven't exhusted the list of offences, but there a a few to start with.

Social engineering is a non-technical method of intrusion hackers use that relies heavily on human interaction and often involves tricking people into breaking normal security procedures. It is one of the greatest threats that organizations today encounter.

A social engineer runs what used to be called a "con game." For example, a person using social engineering to break into a computer network might try to gain the confidence of an authorized user and get them to reveal information that compromises the network's security. Social engineers often rely on the natural helpfulness of people as well as on their weaknesses. They might, for example, call the authorized employee with some kind of urgent problem that requires immediate network access. Appealing to vanity, appealing to authority, appealing to greed, and old-fashioned eavesdropping are other typical social engineering techniques.

What planet do live on, doog?

ttbn, doog is correct: the term "social engineering" does have that meaning.

However (doog take note) that isn't the original meaning.

As for your original question, the answer's NO.

The push for homosexual marriage didn't originate with the Greens, and certainly not from Labor (who aren't even united on the issue). It's largely a cultural import from America, and I think it's been substantially fuelled by the idiocy and intolerance of some of the arguments made against it.

Renewable energy is far from useless, and it pays for itself over time. The lie that we can't afford it is the kind of thinking that's wrecking the economy at the moment.

Our borders aren't open. In terms of relative border security rankings we may have slipped behind North Korea, but I'm sure we're still in the top 2%.

You might prefer the government imposing a cultural identity on us, but I'd much rather have everyone free to determine their own culture no matter where they came from. Multiculturalism really isn't that controversial - it's been bipartisan policy for decades and I think most people outside this forum prefer it.

And while I agree there's a constant sneering, if not downright opposition to Chrstian ethics, the majority of that seems to come from the Liberal Party.

Thanks for your comment, Aidan. I think the differences in our meanings of social engineering is generational, not academic. As an old fart, I'll stick to my definition.

And, of course, I don't expect you to agree with me on the topic, but that's what discussion is all about.

ttbn,

Yep you're on the right track.

Thanks doog and Aiden for providing alternate meaning.

The actual term you're looking for is "Order Out of Chaos" and you don't have to go far to find where its written.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-15/order-out-chaos-doctrine-runs-world

It's written on the US dollar bill, and is the foundation for the elites plan for a New World Order.

You might also want to look up the Hegelian Dialectic of Problem, Reaction Solution.

You create the problem yourself, manage the reaction to the problem, then come forward with the solution to the problem (as everybody's saviour)
-With the solution being the very measures you wanted to impose in the first place.

As for creating the problem - this is the purpose behind 'False Flag' events.

What you really need to do Archinspires is further your studies in english grammar, especially if you own a website.
Ask someone with good english speaking skills to go over your website for you.

It sounds like your asking about town planning here on the forum and then advertising it on your site...
Not sure why... Its actually kind of a strange thing to post as a comment here now I think about it..

I don't like this whole sloppy english stuff becoming a trend, it's really starting to get on my nerves.

I'm sick and tired of seeing this countries lapse in basic english speaking skills.
I even saw 'Mildura' spelled 'Muldura' on one of the main news channels the other day, and I've noticed an huge increase in basic spelling and grammar mistakes in news articles.

I didn't even do all that well at school in english.

But the state of what passes as english today by people who use it as part of earning a living is PATHETIC.

Armchair, have you noticed the decline in grammar and spelling in the tabloids? On a weekly basis I re read a sentence in articles because the grammar leaves a duopoly of meaning in the text. Blatant spelling errors abound even though spell check comes with the program they use to write the text.
I often wonder what happened to the proof readers.

ttbn>>Someone, doesn't really matter who, said that if you want to change society, you have to first white-ant the traditional mores and values of that society or words to that effect.<<

I believe that the Fabians have a lot to do with the social engineering you allude to. Old Fabius Maximus invented white anting and the socialist social engineers employ it. My wife works for the Education Department and she told me of an issue where a colleague had blatantly lied and it was proven without any doubt that they had lied to enhance their position and disadvantage others. But the Education Dept will not allow you to confront them and call them a liar. You must couch it in terms such as “your disinformation had brought me angst”...........what a load of bullsheiser.

My opinions are, society is being engineered. Because many problems are being brought to people's attention via the media, doesn't mean society is guided towards all societies anti social behavioural problems, better solutions.

The Catholic Church through the media are exposed for priestly sexual abuse, yet few media mentioned ideas that religious doctrines are invented by cardinals who have controlling people and money collecting intentions. Forgiving people's sins is an opportunity to justify the Catholic Church's existence.

Children are self-programming entities. Children try out parent boundaries controlling and punishing restraints. If children are left to their own entertaining self-programming, children can lead their self-programming into fast moving emotional self-gratifying behaviours. Emotions can reward, getting what children want without parent restraints. Parents too busy to care, too ignorant to realise they're children have problems.

By the time children attend school, emotionally driven limited controllable behaviours are left to teachers to fix children's focusing and poor academic learning problems.

The bad engineering society problems are generations of adults emotionally driven behaviours which are encouraged by a lack schooling's educational behavioural guidance. Educational mental stress encourages emotional self-medication, self-induced endorphins stimulation. As children are being kept calm in classrooms doing what is mistakenly called learning, which is no more than repetitive pointless tasks, tasks lack real relevance to real life learning. What should take 2 hours a day for 2 to 3 years is being drawn out over 6 hour days for 12 years. High school mental stress is psychologically punishing teenager learning behaviours. What society ends up with are adults who hate learning, who when felt that something new is being learnt, applies years of schooling avoidance tactics to avoid feeling schooling mental stress traumas.

Society's engineering is a traumatising education system and media's limited rolled over information content. Adults don't rethink and or analyse information. Adults are conditioned to judge based on easily understood known child like first assumptions to awareness understandings.

Society needs: truck drivers to transport goods; builders; concrete contractors; supermarket shelf stackers; supermarket checkout workers.

We live in a working class society, not a intellectual thinking society.

People don't know how intelligent they are. Politicians doing (performing) embarrassing behaviours, allows working class limited thinking experiences... people judging politicians as to be as intelligent as themselves. With repeated performances, many people continually feeling equally and or more intelligent than elected politicians.

Because the media are about: sports; game shows; crime; murder stories; documentaries; limited rolled over news stories, because of a traumatising pretend education, human brains are choosing to take notice of entertainment programs that meet their level of intellectual curiosity.

Media political debate programs limit conversations. I say, same old rolled over political conversations limits increased intellectual knowledge. Audiences are told what to believe rather than debate causes for problems, coming up with suggesting solutions by experts to fix problems. What is heard are political processes; personal embarrassments; scandals; accusations; media comments regarding politicians behaviours and beliefs; “Stopped the boats” moral arguments. In the end, no one really knows what's happening, as nothing is happening.

What's happening is the human need for women and or families to have many children. Leading to population growth that can't be sustained over long periods. Even though people understand population growth, placing population growth political policies solutions with: increased crime rates; wars; immigration solutions; economic verse political refugees. Population growth never seems to be mixed into media conversations.

I am saying, media and education have engineered society to believe what they're told to believe, what citizens want to believe, citizens not being able to double they're beliefs in fear of learning new ideas and in fear of being wrong, psychological fear of not knowing, being part of a competitive spirit conditioning. As emotional pride reinforces human self-esteem in what humans know, change and rethinking is unwanted.

I am saying, with a correct education with no mental stress traumas and a media that inspires entertaining knowledge: families limiting children to a sustainable number; employment sharing... illegal drugs; mental illness; poor social behaviours and crime would be reduced substantially. Religion would be removed from society as society wouldn't need to fear: hell; sinful forgiveness worries, heavens and church ceremonial performances.

This is an argument to why democracies don't exist. The ignorance of society allows all societies' problems to exist in order for ruling classes to manage world resources; trick populations into working for limited rewards; money promises rewards, yet not always delivers.
A world of individual multiple party democracies having to compete with many candidates' competing promises, having limited resources and long term population growth concerns, prevents real democracies. Wealthy resource rich countries become targets for over populated countries need for resources. Countries influencing other countries political systems to ensure control, allows democracies to be risky adventures. Corruption; 1930s Nazi stile education and or religious extremism assures every country wants to know what every other country is doing.

Resources are devoted to wars: arming soldiers; destroying liveable dwellings; etc, as war is, the hopefully last resort after many other peace time, reduced birth rates, low resource manipulation activities.
Society is definitely engineered to: reduce family numbers; to believe what people are told to be true; to want to defend to a point of risking death, their own political system and or country.
A correctly thinking intelligent person may decide that risking death to defend immorally run, drug induced, fake democratic societies is not worth the risk.

Steve 101,

Good posts.

I have several readings on 3 psychology forum websites relating to the same “Social Engineering” ideas. I use steve9 as a handle. If this website readers wish to find my readings, mainly devoted to how education messes with intelligence of human brains, start reading from my earliest readings.

Here is one reading.

http://www.psychforums.com/living-with-mental-illness/topic161872.html

Other posts on this website, click on: general; living with mental illness.

I've read an interesting article put our by the
Department of Social Services. I'd like to
share parts of it with you. You can Google the
rest of it for yourselves. It is worth a read.
It deals with the subject of "A Better Australia."

Anyway - we're told that -

Australia in the last 4 decades has become a vastly different
place from the British Isles in which our institutions
originated. Just as Britain is having to adapt to its
changing population, our institutions are now required to
respond to the needs of a culturally and linguistically
diverse society.

What we need to be looking at is ways of seeking social
cohesion, not social engineering. It is in the interests
of all Australians that the three tiers of government -
Commonwealth, State, and Local, intervene where necessary to
manage our diversity in the interests of cultural
tolerance, social justice, and economic efficiency.
And for that we need to plan.

Overseas experience has shown the often tragic consequences
that occur when societies are unable or unwilling to integrate
newcomers, especially in situations in which some minority
groups find themselves restricted by barriers of prejudice
or culture from enjoying the same opportunities as
the host society.

Our own recent history has revealed instances in which
lack of fore-sight has resulted in unfairness and
unnecessary inefficiency, the prodigious wastage of overseas
skills being perhaps the most telling example.

That does not mean we should dismantle or repudiate our
institutions in order to start afresh. Instead we should
make our institutions work better for us by enhancing their
capacity to respond flexibly to the needs of an ethnically mixed
population.

We need a positive policy response. Inaction can only
exacerbate the problem.