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EmperorJulian,

It looks as though the Boer War and World War One were both resource wars.
As they say follow the money. For instance, in the Boer War, one must ask the question who actually got the gold, or where did it end up? Similarly, if World War One was over oil, who had control over the resoruce once the hostilities ended?

Redline Agreement:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?303603-1/book-discussion-british-petroleum-redline-agreement

As for Belgium, it wasn't completely neutral as the following records show secret meetings between Belgian and British Military Attache's, years before 1914.

http://digital.slv.vic.gov.au/view/action/singleViewer.do?dvs=1436254100412~365&locale=en_US&metadata_object_ratio=10&show_metadata=true&VIEWER_URL=/view/action/singleViewer.do?&preferred_usage_type=VIEW_MAIN&DELIVERY_RULE_ID=10&frameId=1&usePid1=true&usePid2=true
Posted by Sense, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 5:51:03 PM
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Dear Emperor Julian,

World War II produced tens of millions of victims.
Some were combatants, some civilian casualties of the
war. Others were victims of genocide planned by the
warring powers.

Both the Nazis and the Communists had committed unheard
of cruelties. Concentration camps - on both sides of
the front - operated at a high pitch prior to and during
the war years. While the USSR policy of mass murder preceded
that of Nazi Germany, most notably with the artificial
Ukrainian Famine of 1932-33, the wholesale destruction of
the Russian peasantry, and later of the peasantry and
intelligentsia in the occupied territories as well, the
Nazis soon matched Soviet terror with their wholesale
slaughter of Jews, Gypsies, and others, in equal numbers,
if not proportions of their populations.

As stated in "The New KGB,":

"There is no dispute about the enormity of Hitler's
holocaust. But it is equally important to be aware of the
accomplishments of the Soviet secret police, which brought
death to at least four times as many Russians, Poles, Jews,
Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Japanese,
Koreans, Chinese, Gypsies, and Romanians
as Hitler did in his eleven years as
a leader of the '1,000-year Reich."

Speaking as a lawyer American - David E. Springer had this
to say:

"...The measure of our society over history is our fidelity
to our principles of law and justice.
We must remind our government and our
people to remain faithful to those principles or otherwise our
society, like so many in the past, will be swept on the
ash heap of history.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 8:22:58 PM
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Re Sense

Aggression is THE primary war crime deserving execution of the perpetrators whether the country being attacked is neutral or not, provided it is not itself engaged in aggression, and no matter what commercial or defence arrangements, open or secret, are in place.

Speculation about money trails etc. are just that: speculation. Aggression is a crime against peace carried out in plain sight, as it was against Belgium in 1914 and Poland in 1939 and more recently against Iran then Kuwait and a decade later Iraq. The attack on Afghanistan was a grey area – its government was openly harbouring forces which it is claimed had committed aggression against America. The Boer War was a clash between rival foreigners on African land and didn’t include aggression as such. Australians shouldn’t have bought into it, and the motive of the Australian soldiers seemed to be mainly lust for adventure which was not specially honourable.

By the time the Redline agreement was signed WW1 and the Boer War were already done and dusted.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 11:18:05 AM
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Re Foxy
Many years ago, working for a Perth newspaper, I was covering a preliminary trial of a bloke called Steele who was up for armed robbery. During a pause the defendant suddenly flourished a bag of daggy sandwiches and demanded “Look what they fed me this morning”. His crime was committed against a bank, not against those who fed him in the cells. That day I mentally coined a new word: “Whataboutism”. This permeates Foxy's plea on behalf of the Krauts who plunged the world into war by attacking Poland. The world came together to smash the perpetrators of this monumental crime – one which we should never forget and which our own government was part of committing in the 2003 invasion of Iraq (not as a jackal but as a yapping cur at the jackal’s heels).

The Bolsheviks did dreadful things to the population under their control and at one stage, in desperation after their pleas for collective security were repulsed by the pro-Nazi compradors controlling the civilised countries, briefly staved the enemy off with an empty non-aggression treaty. All this gets presented by postwar apologists listing bad things about the Stalinists (along with their wise move in the non-aggression treaty) in the hope that this will in some way excuse the criminals who launched the war in 1939 in a bid for world domination and plunder. The apologists’ objective – to exculpate the criminals and their postwar imitators with whataboutism.

Whataboutism flows from similar keyboards to exculpate the religion that divides the world into 750 million superior male believers, 750 million inferior female believers and 5500 million infidel dogs (us) fit only to be made to submit or be butchered. What about the Christians? And the Papists? And the US colonialists? And the slave trade? And the Wahutus? And William the Thief of Normandy? Etc etc.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Friday, 10 July 2015 12:31:37 PM
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Dear Emperor Julian,

I am in no way an apologist for the Nazi regime.
And suggesting that I am is false labelling and
no way to argue.
My stating historical facts does not equate to
being an apologist.

An understanding of the roles played by Lenin, Stalin,
Hitler, Molotov, Ribbentrop, Rudenko, and other authors of
the greatest genocide in history is essential to the
comprehension of the issues being discussed.

History is clear that Stalin and Hitler in a secret pact to
divide Eastern Europe and allow the advances of the Wehrmacht and
the Red Army for the purpose of dividing the hapless Balts, Poles,
and others, is what led to the World War. History is clear that
Stalin and Hitler were allies against the free people of
Europe.

Anyway, I'm not going to argue with you Sir.
All I can politely suggest is that you need to do your
research on this subject. The following items may help:

1) Eric, Koch, "Stalin's pact with Hitler."

2) William R. Corson and Robert T. Crowley, "The New KGB."

4) Treaty of Non-Aggression between Germany and the
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact),
(Aug. 23, `939): Secret Additional Protocol, (Aug. 23, 1939);
Secret Additional Protocol. (Sept.28, 1939).
"Documents on German Foreign Policy," No.228,229,159 (1939).

5) Robert Conquest, "The Harvest of Sorrow."

And there's much more material available at your local,
state, and national libraries on this subject.

I shall not be responding to you any further.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 10 July 2015 2:25:18 PM
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