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Should homosexual couples be allowed to adopt children?
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Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 3 July 2015 11:20:48 PM
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Jay of Melbourne,
I haven't asked any gay people how they became that way, but knowing many myself through my brother-in-law and a friend from high school (and I actually do know many, unlike some of the conservatives on OLO who allegedly have all these mysterious gay friends while simultaneously abhorring everything about who they are and what they stand for) and have heard quite a few recollections from some of them about when they realised they were gay. The answers tend to vary from, “I always knew”, to, “I did date [insert opposite sex here] because that’s just what I thought was expected from me, but being with the same sex is more emotionally satisfying.” I have never heard anything like, “Yeah, I got raped by some other bloke and now I’m gay”, or, “It just seemed so hip”, or, “Yeah, I liked how homosexuality is despised by so much of the population and thought it would be really cool to be part of a disadvantaged minority where having family is near impossible.” Furthermore, some gay men (I haven’t discussed this with lesbians) are actually repulsed by the thought of female genitalia. My brother-in-law, for example, shudders when they’re discussed in front of him and tries to change the subject. To him, they look like aliens and the fact that they self-lubricate and develop a musky odor when aroused is nauseating. Doesn’t sound like there’s much choice being exercised there. Did you know that a single episode of Crossing Over with John Edward took a full eight hours to film because he had so many misses? I wonder how many hours, days, or weeks that video took to film? The video was hardly scholarly. The subjects were pretty damn drunk too. Continued… Posted by AJ Philips, Saturday, 4 July 2015 12:46:11 AM
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...Continued
At the risk of stereotyping, did you notice the guys in the film tended to be a little more effeminate? If homosexuality were a choice, then you’d expect see a more evenly distributed variety of people. Perhaps the sample size wasn't big enough? It WAS pretty damn small, come to think of it. You didn’t see, for example, some butch, muscle-bound bloke with an occa Aussie accent saying, “Yeah, just thought I’d go for a bit o’ sausage for a change and never turn back, if ya know what I moin. Don’t mind me-self some ‘airy bums, I don’t.” I’ve always been sus on this argument that sexuality was a choice. As I said earlier, even as a Christian I never claimed that it was, because I have always considered myself to be exclusively heterosexual and knew that I myself could not choose to be gay and so I didn’t assume that others could either. So my advice to you, Jay of Melbourne, would be to embrace your bisexuality. Don’t fear it. There’s nothing wrong with you. Human sexuality is not binary, it’s a spectrum. And hey, your options are effectively double mine. You can enjoy a greater variety of sexual experiences and you don’t need the lights on in an orgy. Posted by AJ Philips, Saturday, 4 July 2015 12:46:16 AM
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Suse,
I recommended that you read a piece on the inevitable consequences for civilization because of same sex marriage, and gave a link; did you ever read it? Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 4 July 2015 10:14:30 AM
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JOM... "if you actually sit down and ask Gays how they came to be that way they'll tell you."
Usually it helps if the question is better phrased. But my own experience matches that of everyone with whom I have discussed the issue over four decades. AJ Philips, the direct answer to the question, "When did you choose to be gay?" is "When I chose to stop pretending I was heterosexual." The preceding stages of emerging sexual attraction always matched those of heterosexuals. Although heterosexuals do this without the opprobrium of familial/cultural/religious pressures for conformity. What has been consistent with my experience, without exception, is the certainty that one's sexual attraction is innate. Just as it is self-reported as being so by heterosexuals. The most entertaining and scientifically accurate explanation I can find is this 5 minutes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkJxVnaLig0 Posted by WmTrevor, Saturday, 4 July 2015 11:36:07 AM
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WmTrevor, "What has been consistent with my experience, without exception, is the certainty that one's sexual attraction is innate"
Always born gay, you say? A one way trip once they realise their gayness? You must disregard the abundant evidence to the contrary. Such as the well publicised flip flops in sexual preference of celebrities. What more public example could there be but the previous lesbian love of the century of Ellen DeGeneres, Anne Heche? Anne Heche is now married without the need for SSM. Proof too that it is all BS that homosexuals are not denied marriage 'rights'. - Gay Pride just want to redefine it to borrow the gold standard to legitimise their own choices. Here is Anne Hecke, married with children. Sure looks happy and fulfilled. Her choice, as was her lesbian relationship with deGeneres. http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/zeBrYKCNVXl/Celebs+Shopping+Grove+LA+2/Bvh7-BenmrJ/James+Tupper What is also interesting from the DeGeneres example is the small circle that lesbians and no doubt gays move in. Most seem to know one another in the biblical sense too. Doubtless SSM, where the Marriage Acts are changed, will very quickly stretch the understanding of marriage as short term and likely including multiple partners in and out of marriage. Speaking of multiples, it is already happening, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2611020/Meet-worlds-married-lesbian-threesome-baby-make-four-July.html Those homosexuals whose flip flop sexual preferences become public knowledge would only be the tip of the iceberg. However you were not aware of any. You are now though and need not say that anymore. You live and learn, eh? Remembering the Hecke example, it is just as likely that environmental effects and sad experiences in childhood that would definitely affect and mar adolescent sexual development determine sexual choices. Hecke for instance says that she was sexually molested for years as a child by her homosexual father. More challenges to your B&W thinking on gay or not gay? Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 4 July 2015 12:44:29 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h5pI7KASjU
Here again we see the disconnect between the popular, politicised view of homosexuality and the real world, if you actually sit down and ask Gays how they came to be that way they'll tell you.